He was on the air with Jay Mohr and said he didn't care either way that Coughlin was gone since he believes he has played his last game as a Giant. He says he's looking at teams that constantly contend for the playoffs like New England. The he went on to answer questions about his sex life. Prince is a weird guy. Time for the Giants to turn the page on him. He's a pretty good player,nothing more with a injury history.
Another 1st rounder failing to get his second contract with us.
Another big reason why the team is gutted.
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He's not that bad either. When he didn't play, Jayron Hosley started last year in his place.
Of course he wouldn't..Just like when Mike Hampton left the Mets to sign that enormous (at the time) $127 million(?) with the pathetic Rockies, because, "they have a great school system."
See ya Prince, have fun getting injured and stuff.
Another 1st rounder failing to get his second contract with us.
Another big reason why the team is gutted.
So true. It's not just late rounders where we've missed. Even some of our higher picks either flamed out or weren't re-signed.
He'd do pretty well back home in Arizona, opposite Peterson.
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sounded like he may be on the way out at the end of the season.
Another 1st rounder failing to get his second contract with us.
Another big reason why the team is gutted.
So true. It's not just late rounders where we've missed. Even some of our higher picks either flamed out or weren't re-signed.
Well if they walk for more money that's the Giants fault how?
He'd do pretty well back home in Arizona, opposite Peterson.
Not understanding this post at all, Mike..He can'r stay on the field..The talent, such as it is, is kinda secondary, yes?
What the hell has Prince done in the NFL other than get hurt year after year? Who did he ever follow and shutdown? He's not half As good as DRC. we need more corners because everyone behind him sucks but he isn't going to command crazy money just because he's the best CB in FA this year. That says about as much as saying "he's the second best corner on the Giants" does
Personally I think the Giants should look at Janoris Jenkins to fill the spot opposite DRC.
Agreed. The Giants may not want to resign him. But even if they do and make an extremely competitive bid, somebody is likely to throw crazy coin at him.
That said, I will not lose any sleep if he walks. This d sucked royally with him and he is often hurt. He also is not a big time play maker even when on the field.
Watch him play a full 16 games 3 years in a row for someone else.
He'd do pretty well back home in Arizona, opposite Peterson.
If that's necessary to be a good corner, how did Rodgers-Cromartie make Pro Bowl alternate this season? DRC is a very good player. Prince is not. He has no instincts for coverage. Most of his high-visibility big plays occur on under or over-throws. He doesn't become the mirror of the receiver, like the good cover corners do.
And, lastly, regarding the run force and tackling, always brought up by my best friend. Who gives a shit? The corners don't force anymore. This isn't the 80s with Perry Williams and Mark Collins.
Letting him walk might be an admission of failure by Reese. Tough beans, kid. Sack up. Find another. Eschew the mid-range, reasonable contract seduction. The guy simply is not that good a player. I gave up on him when Julio Jones blew by him. Enough.
40 million in cap space doesn't do much when lots of teams have cap space, the cap is rising, and there aren't just lots of quality starting corners jumping on the market.
Take a look at this list and tell me who you think needs to be the guy. There aren't many that are going to get away from their home team.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/
-it's not cute, and f him already w this talk
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He said he will get paid, because like others have mentioned, he's very young and has potential, but at the same time this friend of mine said something is up with him. Aside from him being a little out there, he thinks his confidence was shaken. Because at Nebraska, he was lock down. The once he got into the league, he stopped trusting his abilities, and was very inconsistent.
Maybe it was the injuries that held him back, or potentially some locker room stuff (Pierre-Paul and the cold tub dunk was not the first incedent) but either way, my guy in the know said he highly highly doubt's Amukamara would return. Especially at the price he's going to command on the open market.
Yes, he was hurt and often inconsistent. But when he was on the field, he was at the very least a starting caliber quarterback. If he does go, it is a little concerning because you have yet another position on the list of defensive spots that needs to be filled.
It's easy to say let JPP and Amukamara walk. But then you have Hosley-like or Wynn-like players starting in their place.
This is the shitty position the Giants drafting has put them.
I see what you did there ...
I think Prince on the open market will get a nice deal but it will be club friendly based on his injury history.
When's his last game changing play? plus the injuries....glad he doesn't want back.
Even in the last game, the Eagles never threw at DRC or Amukamara. Bradford was 30-of-38 for 320 yards but almost all of that from passes to the TE's and RB's. Matthews caught two TD's but that was against Wade and Hosley.
It's easy to say let JPP and Amukamara walk. But then you have Hosley-like or Wynn-like players starting in their place.
This is the shitty position the Giants drafting has put them.
You really think Prince is a difference maker? He is fools gold, please let him go...
In all fairness to Amukamara, Brandon Marshall and Julio Jones would beat any cornerback.
He's not that bad either. When he didn't play, Jayron Hosley started last year in his place.
Well just because Reese shit the bed with selecting Hosley and the guy happens to be next on the depth chart after Prince....that does not make Prince a top CB in this league.
He is not worth whatever money he is asking and he is over-rated. Anyone who played the position can watch Prince closely and will tell you the same thing. BTW, when I say over rated it does not mean he is bad either. He just should not be categorized as a high end CB and if he gets paid it is because there is nobody else out there.
Jet's abused him. Let him walk---why would we want to continue down this path with average players.
We will find a replacement through FA or draft. Hope is that this CB stays on the field and compliments DRC.
Good Luck Prince and thanks!
It's easy to say let JPP and Amukamara walk. But then you have Hosley-like or Wynn-like players starting in their place.
This is the shitty position the Giants drafting has put them.
We can finish 32nd in defense without him if he costs too much. The only thing worse than a barren roster is a barren roster with overpaid players.
So the fact that the man who brought you into this league, developed you into the player that you are isn't enough to have feelings about it?? There are people in the league who never played for TC who were sad to see him go.
I always liked Prince. I knew he was an odd guy, but that really surprises me.
Another hole to fill.
he's worth keeping, even if overpaid, within reason.
But the inability to stay on the field is a real issue. he might finally hit a healthy streak, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I think we can survive with a solid, if unspectacular, replacement (and I'm not talking about the Hosley's or bargain basement players we've been getting).
So the fact that the man who brought you into this league, developed you into the player that you are isn't enough to have feelings about it?? There are people in the league who never played for TC who were sad to see him go.
I always liked Prince. I knew he was an odd guy, but that really surprises me.
Another hole to fill.
"The man who brought you into this league"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? The only man who brought Prince Amukamara into the NFL is Prince Amukamara, by performing well enough in college and in the pre-Draft process to attract League attention.
NFL's ridiculous rules forced Prince into playing with NYG-- it wasn't some act of benevolence.
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That is one of the most selfish statements I have heard in the recent past. "I don't have any feelings on the matter (Of TC stepping down) because I felt like I played my last game as a Giant."
So the fact that the man who brought you into this league, developed you into the player that you are isn't enough to have feelings about it?? There are people in the league who never played for TC who were sad to see him go.
I always liked Prince. I knew he was an odd guy, but that really surprises me.
Another hole to fill.
"The man who brought you into this league"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? The only man who brought Prince Amukamara into the NFL is Prince Amukamara, by performing well enough in college and in the pre-Draft process to attract League attention.
NFL's ridiculous rules forced Prince into playing with NYG-- it wasn't some act of benevolence.
A poor choice of words. I didnt mean to imply that Prince didn't earn his way into the league. Apologies. I meant more of "one of the guys who believed in him enough to invest in him."
Point I was trying to make was that Unless he didn't like TC which didn't seem to be the case by everything else he said, how can somebody not care one way or the other that their coach was basically fired and his career was over.
...very fine tackler and maybe slightly above average pass defender.
Could he have been part of the answer in the re-birth of a good Giants defense?
Maybe... so long as he remained healthy which is a huge maybe.
But maybe doesn't translate on spending very much on him.
When he played, he generally kept his opponent pretty darn quiet. People will point to the Atlanta game but Julio does that to even the best players. There were 1 or 2 other games this year were I was disappointed in his play, but he was pretty darn solid when healthy.
That all said, I can see the Giants making a judgement call on not paying a lot of money for a guy who can't stay on the field. But finding another starting caliber CB is not easy and the Giants now need two.
Really?
If that's how he feels, let him go.
I would not want to coach someone who did not want to play for me. The attitude would likely spread. Or JPP would dunk him again and hold him under.
Bye PA.
If that's how he feels, let him go.
Bye PA.
I agree in this case. The conversation may change if you have a unique talent, but Prince is not irreplaceable.
On his future, he simply spoke the truth, that he didn't feel he'd be brought back. There was nothing bitter in that statement. Unless I can hear the entire interview I am not making any judgement about Prince based on this interview.
If that's how he feels, let him go.
I would not want to coach someone who did not want to play for me. The attitude would likely spread. Or JPP would dunk him again and hold him under.
Bye PA.
I didn't get that at all from the clip. Do you have a longer version of the clip? There is nothing negative in whats linked below, just a dude being honest, not vindictive.
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Also, did anyone ever think we'd see the day where we have a top 5-7 QB in the league in his prime and players are openly saying they want to move on to a consistent playoff competitor someplace else?
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an above average corner who has had trouble staying on the field. He isn't elite but if we had a decent pass rush and some over the top help he'd look better than he has.
What you have described, is not #1 CB money, which is what he will be looking for...Elvis Patterson looked good with a good pass rush and help over the top.....
After 5 years, he does not look like a #1 draft pick corner.....I remember when he was drafted, he was a steal, at that position......not so much now.....
It was the failure of the coaching staff, not the front office. You can complain about Reese and the scouts until the cows come home, but if you take off the Reese-hater glasses and look around at the staff being assembled by McAdoo, it is VERY telling where he thinks the blame lies.
When he played, he generally kept his opponent pretty darn quiet. People will point to the Atlanta game but Julio does that to even the best players. There were 1 or 2 other games this year were I was disappointed in his play, but he was pretty darn solid when healthy.
That all said, I can see the Giants making a judgement call on not paying a lot of money for a guy who can't stay on the field. But finding another starting caliber CB is not easy and the Giants now need two.
I feel like people have a mass case of amnesia. Prince had a rocky season this year, prior to that he and DRC were one of the top tandems in completion percentage allowed. He tries hard in run support, I don't think his body is up for it. He got his ass beat by Julio, but who didn't this year? Brandon Marshall beat him up pretty good, but he's been having a ridiculous season as well. I'd bring him back at a reasonable deal.
I'm ok with keeping Beatty. Kicking Flowers to RT would improve our OL immensely. I think by Flowers' 3rd year, we'll give him a look at the LT spot again. I'm all for swapping Prince for Janoris.
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Sign Janoris Jenkins in Prince's spot.
I'm ok with keeping Beatty. Kicking Flowers to RT would improve our OL immensely. I think by Flowers' 3rd year, we'll give him a look at the LT spot again. I'm all for swapping Prince for Janoris.
Whutup David? Long time. My problem with Beatty is that he gets hurt a lot and isn't a nasty player like the other 3 starting O-Linemen we've got now. He can't be depended on. Better to just be rid of him. Him not taking a snap this year tells you all you need to know. Look at how our young Tackle, Mr. Flowers, gutted it out this year Beatty can't hold a candle to him.
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I am no asshat, but I do have a friend who is in the business, and he said very similar things about Amukamara. Meaning, it is no mistake that guys like Julio Jones and Brandon Marshall are beating him for game winning touchdowns repeatedly because he does give up a lot of completion's and WR's can separate from him. And on top of that, he can't stay on the field.
In all fairness to Amukamara, Brandon Marshall and Julio Jones would beat any cornerback.
Let's face it, the defense really wasn't any worse with Hosley, who blows, back there. Pretty good indication of Prince's abilities.
I'm guessing the Giants FO doesn't see Prince as a true #1 but they know he'll get #1 money offers from other teams. So, time to move on.
Beatty is not going anywhere. Beatty has a guarantee of $7.5M that hits if we let him go. The only realistic option would be a trade. You aren't getting a good OT for $4.175M a year in FA, cut him next year to save $6.825M which he definitely is not worth!
I've already said I would only bring him back if he came dirt cheap. Otherwise, he's going to be overpaid.
Jenoris Jenkins, Sean Smith and Trumaine Johnson are all just as good, if not better due to Prince's injury history.
I hope NYG gets Johnson. Young, not an injury problem and has great size.
I really hope the Giants front office is using more sophisticated analysis than this.
JJ Watt could have been on the defense last year and it would have sucked.
Regardless of the reason it is tough to build a great foundation when what should be key components of your team (1st round picks) don't pan out long term.
Regardless of the reason it is tough to build a great foundation when what should be key components of your team (1st round picks) don't pan out long term.
"Do you have research on this?" "It's complicated" "Injuries happen"
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Maybe he never felt like he fit in with this team.
Regardless of the reason it is tough to build a great foundation when what should be key components of your team (1st round picks) don't pan out long term.
"Do you have research on this?" "It's complicated" "Injuries happen"
Research?
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you guys are underestimating the kind of offers he will get. He's arguably the best CB on the market and still young.
I don't necessarily agree.
Jenoris Jenkins, Sean Smith and Trumaine Johnson are all just as good, if not better due to Prince's injury history.
I hope NYG gets Johnson. Young, not an injury problem and has great size.
Johnson was out 6 weeks with a knee injury last year and then had a concussion and thigh injury this season. I wouldn't say injuries haven't been a problem for him.
We know how he doesn't man up well with the larger WRs (rewind your DVR to the Jet game), lacks ball skills, and he can't ever play 16 games.
While I realize our CB roster is weak behind him, that is simply not a good enough reason to overpay a slightly above average CB.
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Sign Janoris Jenkins in Prince's spot.
I'm ok with keeping Beatty. Kicking Flowers to RT would improve our OL immensely. I think by Flowers' 3rd year, we'll give him a look at the LT spot again. I'm all for swapping Prince for Janoris.
Whutup David? Long time. My problem with Beatty is that he gets hurt a lot and isn't a nasty player like the other 3 starting O-Linemen we've got now. He can't be depended on. Better to just be rid of him. Him not taking a snap this year tells you all you need to know. Look at how our young Tackle, Mr. Flowers, gutted it out this year Beatty can't hold a candle to him.
The injuries Beatty got were of the variety that you can't just gut it out though. He had torn a pec, and also missed a lot of time earlier with a detached retina. If Flowers could gut it out through a torn pec, he truly is a monster lol.