Laquon Treadwell Ole Miss WR is an elite WR and perfect fit

That will be available at DT, DE or possibly LB in the draft.

Go get a quality #2 WR via FA.

This is an elite receiver and WR do not like him come often.

When you have a player like this you take him. EASILY.

I'd prefer to take a defensive player and someone w/o an injury history at 10, and a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

Like I said. This isn't just "some WR".

He is an elite WR with traits you cannot teach. Like ODBJ has. Something you have or don't.

And he doesn't have an injury history. Someone fell on his leg in a freak incident.

I'm telling you right now he's a sure fire elite WR in the NFL without a doubt.

What are the Giants gonna do when the Defense has to come on the field and protect the lead if they don't start drafting some Impact defensive talent in Round 1?

I watched his game film against Florida and he is a good player.

Route running needs work.

He has good hands, strong player.

He is a very good blocker.

I did not see him get any noticeable separation against the CB in man on man coverage.

Does not seem like a top 10 talent based the game I watched.
Treadwell against Florida 2015 - ( New Window )

Charles Rodgers, Yantil Green, Mike/Reggie Williams.

Plus, can see Baltimore or SF grabbing him.

Prefer a #2 in FA such as Sanu, R. Matthews, Kearse or Aiken.

Again, this team needs play-makers on the D.

I will happily watch the tape of him if you will watch the tape of the 2013-15 New York Football Giants.

what defensive prospects are we looking at in our spot? That's what I'm saying. IF you take someone else and treadwell is available, he better be an ELITE PROSPECT.

Because Treadwell is a WR that doesn't come along often. I sound like a broken record but he has traits in a WR that you cannot teach. He reminds me exactly of OBJ.

I think you need to open your eyes if you are not impressed with Treadwell.

In comment 12794513 Richtatorship said:

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I think you need to open your eyes if you are not impressed with Treadwell.

I think you need to "watch the tape" of the link I attached of his Florida game. He is NOT OBJ, not the same type of receiver.

Stop.

and came away impressed.

what more do you want?

you realize OBJ didn't dominate college the way he's doing in the NFL fight?

I'm looking for certrain traits and Treadwell has traits you cannot teach! OBJ like in that aspect.

"intangibles" means.

And beyond that this team needs defensive help far more than another stud WR.

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what defensive prospects are we looking at in our spot? That's what I'm saying. IF you take someone else and treadwell is available, he better be an ELITE PROSPECT. Because Treadwell is a WR that doesn't come along often. I sound like a broken record but he has traits in a WR that you cannot teach. He reminds me exactly of OBJ.

at 10 this year there will be several elite Defensive Prospects

ytou have eli and OBJ and then NOTHING ON OFFENSE.

Treadwell isn't just another "WR", he is a elite #1 prow bowl insant impact WR.

That is why I'm a big fan of his. Anyway I'm done here because I'm repeating myself.

He looks like a good player based on the game I watched and linked.

He is a very good blocker.

He has good hands and is a really strong player.

His route running needs work - he rounds off his cuts and does not seem to run many variations of a pro offense based route tree.

Several times against man to man coverage he was blanketed.

Nice player, but not OBJ and as other have posted this team needs Defense.

you have just gotten my "Jon in NYC" treatment when I argued with the jackass that Melvin Gordon as an overrated RB and he kept calling him "special".

I will remember your name and call you out on your ridiculous "scouting" on a player because of a 1 min youtube armchair analysis. LOL.

In comment 12794527 Richtatorship said:

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you have just gotten my "Jon in NYC" treatment when I argued with the jackass that Melvin Gordon as an overrated RB and he kept calling him "special". I will remember your name and call you out on your ridiculous "scouting" on a player because of a 1 min youtube armchair analysis. LOL.

Thank you, I am always pleased to accept awards.

Of their opinion they create a username other than the one they already have on this site to spread it

That argued Duke Johnson best rb in draft last year! Too easy

I would swing more to need and take the BBOOn defense at 10

In comment 12794542 jayg5 said:

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That argued Duke Johnson best rb in draft last year! Too easy

Yup, sounds like the same BS. Funny how you didn't hear a peep from that guy about DJ this year after the season started.

We have an impact WR. We now need an impact LB or DL so we can get off the field on 3rd downs.

start changing our def. we have an elite wr. we need elite defenders.

on an awful browns team.

He had more recieving yards then Shane Vereen. And I told you guys that DUke would be a better player then Vereen at a cheaper price on a rookie contract and i was 100% correct.

Duke had over 600+ yards recieving as a backup with Jonnh Manziel as the QB.

He will have a great year next year.

continues to be the worst in the league. Our offense was around #6 (depending on which stat you want). Regardless of who is on the board, we must focus on defense. Another couple points per game (even if it gets us that), will not matter.

But it would depend on who else is in the board at 10.

this fuckin' guy again?

There's a good chance Randle isn't back and Cruz may never be the same. WR is actually a legitimate need on this team. Beckham can't do it all himself.

I would be thrilled with Treadwell. The kid is legit.

I'd also be looking to sign someone like Jermaine Kearse (Travis Benjamin is probably going to get a good chunk of change)

Yes, we need defensive talent but if you feel you can get an elite playmaker in the first round, you need to take him regardless of where he plays.

either Marvin Jones or Sanu over Kearse but I wouldn't be upset with Kearse. I like Travis Benjamin too but I don't know enough about him if he is more suited for a slot receiver or an outside guy? He seems pretty small. As much as we need a slot guy I think we need an outside threat more. I like what I saw out of Harris. Tye came along. We hav Vereen. Beckham plays inside sometimes. I think we can control the middle of the field with those players but who do we have on the edge? And if Cruz does come back that is just another weapon on the inside. An outside guy like Treadwell is much more of a need imo than a slot guy.

Yeesh -- Yo -- Dude -- when you get a clue -- you may have one

That's why I'd be completely happy taking Treadwell. Outside WR opposite Beckham is a very clear need. Benjamin is pretty versatile. I like him in the slot but you can move him around and play him outside as well. I think he's going to get paid though. He has great hands and he's going to shine when he gets out of that shithole and plays with a better QB.

But, the Giants are NOT going to draft a WR in the first round not matter what. Look at the defensive prospects for our first round pick.

committed to the defense in 2016 and that includes Beason.

According to OTC the Giants have 80 million plus dollars committed to offensive player contracts in 2016.

Do the math people, big money contracts including the 10th overall pick have to be spent on the defensive side of the ball.

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on an awful browns team. He had more recieving yards then Shane Vereen. And I told you guys that DUke would be a better player then Vereen at a cheaper price on a rookie contract and i was 100% correct. Duke had over 600+ yards recieving as a backup with Jonnh Manziel as the QB. He will have a great year next year.

No, The BS you where spewing was DJ was going to be the next great back in the NFL. Better than any other rookie and then some in his first year. you where wrong then and you are wrong now in the context that the Giants need to take this guy.

arc posting

I truly doubt the top WR in the draft is available at 10 in a draft that isn't really that deep at WR.

People that make the argument that we need to fix the defense therefore the first round pick has to be a defensive player don't make sense. Yes, everybody and their mothers know we need to improve the defense but it will not be fixed with a first round pick. Odds are we do go defense in the first round because of the corners, DL, and LBs available. On the offensive side you have like 2 possible OTs, a WR or 2 and a RB. Of those OT only 1 seems like they woukd be the BPA. Treadwell is a legit BPA if available. And EE could be a really good player at RB but I find it hard to believe he would be the BPA at 10. Therefore, a defensive player is very likely but that shouldn't discount Treadwell either.

I am all aboard the Mario Williams train if he is released. Sign him and keep JPP. Maybe add in a player like Ayers who will not break the bank and your DL/pass rush is looking a hundred times better. Hit the FA market for some vet corners to pair with DRC. I would love to add a vet S. If Berry is available he becomes a top priority. If not then Weddle's name keeps getting thrown around. I would look into Reggie Nelson. He isn't at the top of the list but he would be a perfect complement to Collins which would go along the lines of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

What do we do about LB? I would bring back Brinkley on a team friendly deal but not guarantee him anything. I would much rather him fight it out and be a backup MLB than Unga. We need more help here but we do have Thomas and Casillas that will play a role with Kennard as well. I think if we can get a stud MLB then the rest of the pieces will fall into place. I don't think we need 3 new LBs. Imo, safety is more important overall since the odds are that our 5th DB will be playing more than our 3rd LB so having a true MLB on the field with one of Kennard/Thomas/Casillas is be just fine especially if we boost up the DL and DBs. If Jack were to fall to us then I woukd be fine with moving Kennard to the middle and have those two on the field. If the ND guy somehow drops to the second I would draft him but that doesn't seem like a possibility.

On the offensive side I would look to add Jermaine Gresham who wouldn't break the bank and he is a great two way TE. I would look into Smith as our RT but that depends on what is happening with our OL. If you have Beatty at LT, Pugh at LG, Richburg at C then what do you do with Flowers? The obvious choice is to put him at RT. However, it was said our OL coach prefers that his guards be massive but mobile at the same time. If we signed Smith then we could put Flowers at RG and then I think that is a really good OL especially one that should be able to run the ball. While RG may not be Flowers best position it is, once again, the whole is better than the sum of its parts mentality.

I would look to add a vet Wr that wont break the bank either which is why I would like a WR like Sanu, Jones, Kearse, or Benjamin just off the top of my head.

I also wouldn't be opposed to signing a back like Lamar Miller if he doesn't cost that much. RBs have been pretty chea in FA the last couple of years if I remember correctly.

All of this seems like a pipedream but that would be my approach. I find it funny on how many Bengals I want to target (Smith, Jones, Sanu, and Nelson) and an ex-Bengal in Gresham.

If we were to accomplish this and Treadwell was available at 10 I think those posters who say we need to draft a defensive player might back off a little unless they love one of the DBs available.

youll have a new second favorite team with whoever drafts him, like the duke johnson dude. Not a bad deal.

hey buddy, I don't even know why I'm so worked up , I wouldn't even consider myself a NFL fan anymore, I skipped a ton fo giant games the last two years.

I closely follow college, MIami Hurricanes, and the recruiting.

But if the best player on the board is a WR you can bet your ass they will take him.

The common BBI opinion that we "need" to take a defender at 10 is poor decision making. You don't draft need at #10. You take the best player.

The worst part is how arrogant you guys are when you declare we "need" to draft a defensive player when in fact it is fucking stupid to go into the draft planning to ignore offense.

We have FA and the rest of the draft to fix the defense. Immediate needs will be addressed in FA.

That said, I don't think Treadwell or any other WR will be BPA at 10, but some of you guys are flat wrong about the way to draft.

and are into the Miami Hurricanes why don't you spend your time in a Canes site?

great pick for the Giants at #10 if he gets to us. We'd have a good chance to have the best WR duo in football with two kids still on their rookie contracts.

With a top 10 pick you don't draft for need, you take the best player available. We have $50M or so in cap room and the rest of the draft to upgrade the defense.

In comment 12794625 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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But if the best player on the board is a WR you can bet your ass they will take him. The common BBI opinion that we "need" to take a defender at 10 is poor decision making. You don't draft need at #10. You take the best player. The worst part is how arrogant you guys are when you declare we "need" to draft a defensive player when in fact it is fucking stupid to go into the draft planning to ignore offense. We have FA and the rest of the draft to fix the defense. Immediate needs will be addressed in FA. That said, I don't think Treadwell or any other WR will be BPA at 10, but some of you guys are flat wrong about the way to draft.

LakeGeorge, I agree with you, but I think that some of the talent on defense will be in the same row as Treadwell, even if he reaches 10, which is a question mark. If that's the case, I'd go defense.

In this case, if we get a #2 WR in FA, then drafting Treadwell is unlikely. If all the FA money is on Defense, then BPA becomes a bigger factor with our 1-3 selections.

You're not going to solve the talent problem with one draft, either; nor are we in a position where a couple of players will put us over the top.

The best we will get out of this year is a solid foundation that will allow us to compete against a Dallas team that will be better with Romo playing, a Washington team that was improved this year, and an Eagle team we always have issues with.

the top 2 players are WR and QB...
we shouldnt be spending our #1 pick on another WR.
he is not a freak... if he were a freak type talent... fine.
the entire defense needs upgrades

but not well enough.

Is WR a top priority? Maybe not but its close. If Beckham goes down this offense has nothing to throw to. Thats not how you build a good offense.

Treadwell is as impressive as it gets off the field and his on-field play this year surprised everyone. He can be a star. He can be Dez Bryant without the drama. Him and Beckham together could be lethal.

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Is WR a top priority? Maybe not but its close. If Beckham goes down this offense has nothing to throw to. Thats not how you build a good offense. Treadwell is as impressive as it gets off the field and his on-field play this year surprised everyone. He can be a star. He can be Dez Bryant without the drama. Him and Beckham together could be lethal.

I'm sold.

In comment 12794722 Sy'56 said:

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Is WR a top priority? Maybe not but its close. If Beckham goes down this offense has nothing to throw to. Thats not how you build a good offense. Treadwell is as impressive as it gets off the field and his on-field play this year surprised everyone. He can be a star. He can be Dez Bryant without the drama. Him and Beckham together could be lethal.

Dez-lite is exactly who he reminds me of without the bullshit. Good post.

In comment 12794722 Sy'56 said:

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Is WR a top priority? Maybe not but its close. If Beckham goes down this offense has nothing to throw to. Thats not how you build a good offense. Treadwell is as impressive as it gets off the field and his on-field play this year surprised everyone. He can be a star. He can be Dez Bryant without the drama. Him and Beckham together could be lethal.

Last year there was an early mock by Fox Sports with Amari Cooper to the NYG. I never felt that was realistic. Treadwell being available at 10 seems more plausible. How comparable is Treadwell to Cooper, Sy?

I see Brandon Marshall when I see Treadwell and I would be very happy with a young Brandon Marshall opposite Beckham. And I am talking about pure talent not the other stuff. I actually admire Marshall for what he has dealt with with his mental illness and how he has helped others. He has come a long way.

they are much diffrent.

Treadwell is a big, physical receiver. he has a huge catch radius. think of hakeem nicks, but much much more athletic, faster.

he is a tremendous person off the field as well with great character and work ethic.

He is a must take @ #10.

and the Niners draft before us - If Stanley is any good he also we be drafted before the Giants pick

The available talent, the cards, the tea leaves and the needs all say the Giants will draft D Lineman, Primo Linebacker or D Backfield with the 10th Pick

Book It Dano!!!

he was a 5 star WR. and produced right away at WR as a freshman SEC fresman of the year.

there are levels boys to this. He is an immediate impact player right off the bat.

he has always been an elite player. high school. 5* WR. #1 WR in his class. fresman of the year. Look at a lot of the elite players you will see they go to college and produce year 1. they go to NFL produce year 1.

build a dominant offense.

look at how effortless he makes jump balls and over the shoulder catches. this is easy for him. he's b een doing this his whole career. not just 1 year wonder.

He is a more arthletic, faster, and better version of Hakeem NIcks.
Laquon Treadwell's 2016 Sugar Bowl Highlights - ( New Window )

If yes, then maybe if no or maybe then no.

Reese will take him. You go 100% BPA at #10 when you have a ton of cap money to address other needs.

Then you cut Cruz and put the cap savings towards signing FA on defense. Also, several good DL figure to be available when Giants pick in the second round.

100% better than both those players.

I liken him to a more athletic, faster, and better version of Hakeem NIcks.

Laquan was a SEC fresman of the year after he was a 5* WR coming out of high school. He isn't some guy who had 1 big year.

he was THE MAN at ole miss. Every team knew about him.

THis is a can't miss prospect.

team.

In comment 12794767 Richtatorship said:

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100% better than both those players. I liken him to a more athletic, faster, and better version of Hakeem NIcks. Laquan was a SEC fresman of the year after he was a 5* WR coming out of high school. He isn't some guy who had 1 big year. he was THE MAN at ole miss. Every team knew about him. Does he GIGANTIC hands? THis is a can't miss prospect.

to Devonte Parker, only Parker is a bit faster.

Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55

This is not an OBJ type talent as some have referenced.

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to Devonte Parker, only Parker is a bit faster. Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55 This is not an OBJ type talent as some have referenced.

The comparison I've seen is Dez who is a lot thicker than Parker and plays faster than he times.

Dez ran a 4.52 but he's plenty fast.

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In comment 12794790 JPinstripes said: Quote: to Devonte Parker, only Parker is a bit faster. Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55 This is not an OBJ type talent as some have referenced. The comparison I've seen is Dez who is a lot thicker than Parker and plays faster than he times. Dez ran a 4.52 but he's plenty fast.

Dez plays as fast or faster then his 4.52. I don't see the comparison....
Dez College - ( New Window )

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In comment 12794796 chris r said: Quote: In comment 12794790 JPinstripes said: Quote: to Devonte Parker, only Parker is a bit faster. Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55 This is not an OBJ type talent as some have referenced. The comparison I've seen is Dez who is a lot thicker than Parker and plays faster than he times. Dez ran a 4.52 but he's plenty fast. Dez plays as fast or faster then his 4.52. I don't see the comparison.... Dez College - ( New Window )

Yes, you dinged Treadwell because of a potentially 4.55. Dez ran 3 100s of a second faster and is plenty fast.

Treadwell would be under consideration at #10 if the Top 9 went as Lunchtime listed it. That being said, based on the "tiers" I have in this draft there are a number of players that are likely to be ranked similarly. The fact that there are a number of WR in the late Round 1/early Round 2 area also make me want to consider putting it off. I know this won't fill OL or Pass Rush but I really would not mind if Days 1 and 2 went as follows:

Round 1) Vernon Hargreaves/DB/Florida
Round 2) Sterling Shepard/WR/Oklahoma
Round 3) Vernon Butler/DT/Louisiana Tech

Get a pass rusher, OL and a TE on Day 3 and that would be the six picks we have. I also would consider trading down with some of our picks if we can still be in range to draft a player on the same "tier"

and plays fast now... The comp I gave is Parker and I said Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55.

I don't see Treadwell close to the prospect Dez was coming out of college. It's only my opinion, I am not a scout.

Parker did not show me the separation and high point ability that Treadwell or Bryant did, which makes Treadwell and Bryant appear faster than their 40 time. I do not think that Treadwell is as fluid as a route runner as Beckham Jr. is, but few are. I will be interested to see how he does in the position drills at Indianapolis

Vernon Butler will be gone by early round 2..

at 6'1 .. is pretty close to Treadwell in terms of talent, and really breaks off his routes. He'll have to learn to get off the press and learn the subtleties of WR.. but you would get a similar type player (that wouldn't need to be a #1) later in the first round on a trade down.

did you just compare Braxton Miller to Laquan Treadwell. I'm done here. Clear as day people on here, and in general NFL fans are absolutely clueless.

rich. LOL. your hilarious.. guy.

Glad your done here.

In comment 12794722 Sy'56 said:

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Is WR a top priority? Maybe not but its close. If Beckham goes down this offense has nothing to throw to. Thats not how you build a good offense. Treadwell is as impressive as it gets off the field and his on-field play this year surprised everyone. He can be a star. He can be Dez Bryant without the drama. Him and Beckham together could be lethal.

Great post. We have obvious needs on defense, but we are one injury away from having no playmakers on offense. We aren't talented enough to turn away someone who grades out BPA, just because they don't play defense. We have the big stick to swing with our cap space, you guys don't think we'll be using that to fill our needs on D?

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did you just compare Braxton Miller to Laquan Treadwell. I'm done here. Clear as day people on here, and in general NFL fans are absolutely clueless.

Miller has as much upside as any WR in the draft this year, but I am not sure he will do as much as a rookie as Treadwell. That being said, all of the prognosticators thought Sammy Watkins was THE guy and Odell Beckham Jr. was nowhere near him and a late riser. The question I have is with the talent on the DL and at WR this year it may be a better value proposition to look at someone like Hargreaves in Round 1 and draft DL or WR later versus taking Treadwell in Round 1 and taking a Day 2 DB

IMO, his ceiling is Anquan Boldin, who was another QB to WR conversion. I'd trade up into the 2nd round to get him if he's there in the bottom half of the 2nd round.

has as much upside? BASED ON WHAT?

Miller is a 6th round flyer. Treadwell is a top10 elite WR talent.

YOU are the main reason I do not follow the NFL anymore.

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hey buddy, I don't even know why I'm so worked up , I wouldn't even consider myself a NFL fan anymore, I skipped a ton fo giant games the last two years. I closely follow college, MIami Hurricanes, and the recruiting.

How about you just never post here again? You're not welcome around here. Why continue to post?

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has as much upside? BASED ON WHAT? Miller is a 6th round flyer. Treadwell is a top10 elite WR talent. YOU are the main reason I do not follow the NFL anymore.

Miller is not a 6th round flyer. After his work at the Senior Bowl most places that have updated their rankings have him, at worst, as a Day 2 player (so Top 100 picks). Miller has only been playing WR at the collegiate level for one season and has elite quickness/explosion. Teams see his physical tools and progression and love his potential if he can keep that up. Personally I would not take him in Round 1 because there is too much bust risk. Treadwell is the top WR in this draft in my opinion and is worthy of consideration at #10, but others in that same position have busted before (see every WR Matt Millen drafted). Odell Beckham Jr. was the third WR drafted his draft year. I am just not sure I see as much of a difference between Treadwell and someone like Sterling Shephard as I do at other positions when it comes to #10 vs. who is currently talked about in the area of our 2nd round pick

you are basing your opinion on braxton miller on senior bowl reports LOL....

that is exactly called HYPE.

you do realize these writers hype up these players? that is there JOB.

You read an article and are basing your opinion on that.

All I need to know about you.

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and plays fast now... The comp I gave is Parker and I said Treadwell will have a hard time running sub 4.55. I don't see Treadwell close to the prospect Dez was coming out of college. It's only my opinion, I am not a scout.

Fair enough.

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you are basing your opinion on braxton miller on senior bowl reports LOL.... that is exactly called HYPE. you do realize these writers hype up these players? that is there JOB. You read an article and are basing your opinion on that. All I need to know about you.

No. I saw Miller play all season with crap at QB. He showed tremendous progress as the year progressed and has continued to look good at the Senior Bowl. Before the Senior Bowl week I did not consider Miller a "6th Round flyer". Because of his obvious risk being new to the position I had a 4th Round grade on him. Watching him in practice this week against better competition and a better QB throwing the ball I may have been a little conservative in my initial assessment. I still would not take him in the 1st Round, but I do feel he deserves to go in the Top 3 rounds. Much like Treadwell, Miller's ultimate ranking will depend largely on how he looks in the route running drills at the combine. John Brown was a "late round flyer" heading into the combine, lit it up and was drafted by Arizona in the 3rd Round and has looked like a value there at this point in his career.

where he'll run. If it's sub 4.48, then he's up there.


Realistically though, I'd still take Ronnie Stanley over him

...that way I can watch the fucking 2016 Giants defense let up a record number of points and yards.

Yep.

Can't fucking wait.

will not be a top ten pick. NO one said he will. He has elite quickness, body control, and very good hands. He's not polished and for that reason will go later, deservedly so than Treadwell. Treadwell, if he runs the 40 below 4.45, will cement his name in the top 20. He's a risk though, in that our roster has major challenges on the defensive side of the ball.

Duke Johnson was a nice player.. but you really did overrate him, that being said.. your credibility hasn't been earned and the lack of class puts you squarely in the troll category. LOL.. Find someplace that can accommodate your "genius".

i predicted exactly what would happen with duke

we overpaid for shane vereen and instread we could have gotten a better RB, a just as good reciever, and on a rookie conract.

our RB's are ridiclous avg and slow.

And I understand we need allot of help on that side of the ball but at 10 the pick has to be bpa period. If it so happens the bpa at 10 when we pick is Treadwell you take him and I'm perfectly fine with it. If the bpa is a defensive player you take him and in fine with that as well. If two players are pretty equally rated when we pick you probably lean towards the one that fits a better need. If you start reaching for players because of needs at 10 we will never get better

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i predicted exactly what would happen with duke we overpaid for shane vereen and instread we could have gotten a better RB, a just as good reciever, and on a rookie conract. our RB's are ridiclous avg and slow.

You predicted he would be OROY. He was not. Duke Johnson also was a greater part of their passing game which is why he had more catches. As a rusher, which is the primary responsibility for RB, Vereen had a much better YPC. Their YPC receiving were roughly identical. This despite the Giants OL being atrocious

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i predicted exactly what would happen with duke we overpaid for shane vereen and instread we could have gotten a better RB, a just as good reciever, and on a rookie conract. our RB's are ridiclous avg and slow.

I seem to recall you saying duke would be the next best thing since AP, but yet he couldn't even beat out Crowell. And even if we did have him Coughlin would of done the same thing trot out andre Williams over and over again. At least the spoogfest over Aaron Donald was for a GREAT player not some backup

DUke JOhnson played in the cleveland brown offense with zero QB.

Stiull racked up 600+ receviing yards and was a threat as a rookie.

he will only get better.

he would be the NY GIANTS RB starter.

isntead we draft an injury prone DE who ddint paly.

I predicted exactly what would happen.

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DUke JOhnson played in the cleveland brown offense with zero QB. Stiull racked up 600+ receviing yards and was a threat as a rookie. he will only get better. he would be the NY GIANTS RB starter. isntead we draft an injury prone DE who ddint paly. I predicted exactly what would happen.

He couldn't beat out Crowell yet he was going to be the starter for the Giants. The Giants also had multiple WR's who would have been the top WR for the Browns. They had less at QB, but it is not like Johnson was competing with a bunch of spectacular options for touches. If we don't have Reuben Randle, Vereen would have gotten a good portion of the looks that went his way which would have caused Vereen to have more yardage than Johnson receiving. That is on top of Vereen's greater YPC as a rusher. I don't see you talking about that since it undermines your entire argument.

That this way we got Vereen and a draft pick.... Take Duke and you also get a draft pick....but later...

to agree with the piece of shit Duke Johnson fanboy but Treadwell is a great fit for this team and should be a perfect mix of value/need at 10.

He checks every box other than elite deep speed:

Great blocker, strong, tough, great after the catch, great body control, no off the field issues, junior entry, produced on a team with subpar talent around him, great complement to Odell, red zone threat.

Not much else to ask for.

Then go defense rounds 2-7.

projects the best impact for the TEAM, then by all means you take him. Ronnie Stanley? Please . . .

In comment 12795028 Jon in NYC said:

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to agree with the piece of shit Duke Johnson fanboy but Treadwell is a great fit for this team and should be a perfect mix of value/need at 10. He checks every box other than elite deep speed: Great blocker, strong, tough, great after the catch, great body control, no off the field issues, junior entry, produced on a team with subpar talent around him, great complement to Odell, red zone threat. Not much else to ask for. Then go defense rounds 2-7.

I am inclined to agree. If Amari Cooper had been available last year and the Giants took him I would not have been upset.

If Treadwell is truly the BPA for the Giants if available @ #10 I would have zero issue taking a receiver who will be cost controlled for the next 4-5 years especially considering OBJ will need a new contact in another year or two... he would create a bonafide threat on the outside which would would allow the Giants to move OBJ around more to take advantage of the defenses..

I expect the Giants to invest their FA money on the defensive side of the ball where this is talent and a definite need for VETERAN leadership...

I learned last year when looking at the draft.. be flexible.. dont fixate on any one player or any one position..

IS BETTER THAN COOPER AND IS A BETTER FIT FOR THE GIANTS.

In comment 12795613 Richtatorship said:

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IS BETTER THAN COOPER AND IS A BETTER FIT FOR THE GIANTS.

Lay off the caps lock. As I said earlier, Treadwell is my top WR this year. That being said, I would prefer Amari Cooper who gets better separation and was much smoother with his routes coming out of college.

take a look at treadwell and his ability to go up and grab it. huge catch radius, huge hands, and eli loves those back shoulder throws. take a look at the video (no ghetto rap music) anmd watch how natural pass catcher he is and his back shoulder throws and over the shoulder catches. eli will love him.

he is an elite WR and an elite athlete.
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In comment 12795718 Richtatorship said:

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take a look at treadwell and his ability to go up and grab it. huge catch radius, huge hands, and eli loves those back shoulder throws. take a look at the video (no ghetto rap music) anmd watch how natural pass catcher he is and his back shoulder throws and over the shoulder catches. eli will love him. he is an elite WR and an elite athlete. Link - ( New Window )

He is a big guy with a large catch radius and strong hands, but he is not as elusive as Beckham Jr. or Cooper. Outside of the New Mexico State game there were a lot of contested catches versus Cooper who is impossible for a CB to stick to. There were definitely some underthrown balls that took Treadwell back into the defender, but I would like to see him be able to get off coverage better. Also a lot of the routes Ole Miss had for him was run as deep as you can and high point the ball. That won't work in the NFL. Cooper was in more of a pro style O so that aided transition to NFL

Treadwell is the top WR in the 2016 draft, but I would not take him over Amari Cooper. I may be right, I may be wrong, but if both were in the same draft give me Cooper.

There are several in the same talent niche Treadwell occupies in this draft. Pick one.

implying the inability to produce offensively, OBJ goes down. If Treadwell fits a bill a BPA in the draft, take him. This team has a lot of holes to fill. They have 6 draft picks and lots of dollars to spend in free agency. Fill your holes for FA dollars and make it easier to draft for best available players. I don't care who they draft as long as they are all productive at their positions.