Ralph Vacchiano & #8207;@RVacchianoNYDN 28m28 minutes ago
For the record, CBS' Bill Cowher says no one from the Giants even reached out to him to gauge his interest n replacing Tom Coughlin.
Obviously, that ship has sailed, but if what Cowher is saying is true, it's amazing how worked up we get on BBI about stuff that we just conjure up on our own. I'm as guilty as anybody.
seemed to make the most sense it me. Unless TC had decided to leave anyway after last year. He was not the problem, We will find out down the line.
I don't disagree with this. However, the way they interviewed people and the whole process just didn't seem right. Hue Jackson was contacted late hence why there was no interview. Mike Smith came out of nowhere. After the whole process was complete it seems more and more like their mind was made up prior to the interview process and that bothers me. It doesn't bother me if McAdoo was really the best candidate and best situation for us to succeed but having that predetermined is not the right way to approach this. I have no idea if this was the case. They very well could have kept an open mind. I hope they did.
I think the owners decided on McAdoo right from the start simply because it was a safer move as far as Eli was concerned. McAdoo fit right into Eli's comfort zone and at this point in time Eli is the catalyst for this team....
it's their right to promote the guy. WHo cares how this all went down. If McAdoo is the goods, it's fine. If he's not, then we are fuct.
It's all a crapshoot anyway. I would have preferred a big name hire but even that wouldn't guarantee anything. I can't blame the Giants for how they handled this entire affair. Time will tell whether they made the right call but there's nothing wrong with how they handled this. They obviously had a short list that started and ended with McAdoo.
that I have a hard time with is how can ONE dude on the internet have inside info on this yet no one else echos this story.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. One dude on BBI knows all this inside info but not one source in the real world has come out and stated anything other than the Giants never contacted Bill Cowher. Not one.
I don't doubt that asshats are hearing things from people they probably trust but the info is usually not legit.
Occam's razor and all that...more than likely the Giants may have sent a feeler out to Cowher but the talks probably went nowhere because Cowher wanted more power. IF that's the case, how the hell did the talks ever get serious. The biggest road block of all was Cowher's needs vs the Giants way of doing things. The convo probably lasted all of 10 seconds. That's not serious.
Not knocking the asshats here. I just think the info being leaked is iffy at best. If you the asshat know all of this juicy stuff, someone else does. I promise you that.
It could be they have a reliable source that was either spreading misinformation or received wrong information. It happens.
I don't think the Giants reached out to Cowher, though. There's no benefit to the team in BC making this statement if it's not true. If they had reached out but he wasn't interested, or couldn't agree, it would have been much easier to make a 'no comment' type statement and just let people speculate.
I've made the decision to not repeat anything else that I hear in the future but let me just explain something.
The NFL doesn't work like many of you think that it does. It's not a locked vault where information is discussed. There are human beings involved who talk with their family, talk with friends, talk with players, accountants, lawyers, etc.
I was very honest from the getgo about what my connection was in this. I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC. These things were confirmed by the beat reporters a few days after I posted it. Maybe they are lying too?
As far as Cowher, as you can imagine the NFL coaching circle is a pretty tight knit group, and the same source told me that while Cowher never showed up at MetLife for an interview there was absolutely a lot of discussion about his interest in the position, with it being described to me as "his to have" if he would just coach and take only a coughlin-esque side role in personnel and defer to Reese. This was a dealbreaker for him (I don't blame him) and that was it.
Rest assured though that it was pretty much a 2 man race the whole entire time, and once the preferred guy decided against it the choice was clear.
Many of you don't realize that since the NFL is a billion dollar business, it is run the same way as any other corporation. With the bottom line, public perception and best interests of the business owner in mind.
The bigger issue is that I see why people who get legitimate information stop sharing it here. Like I really need to be called a piece of garbage on the internet because I decided to pass along something I heard from a reliable source?
F that.
It's more than likely many possible candidates were discussed
internally but NYG desired not to pursue for various reasons. In case of Cowher, probably no big secret as to what it would take. As many have already stated control would be a non-starter.
Seems based on news stories, NYG wanted at the very least to retain McAdoo as OC for obvious reasons. Process may have continued longer if not for Philly interest.
Imo taking a chance on a young coach is a bolder move than hiring a past HC. If Cowher had been hired and it didn't work out, how could anyone fault the decision. It was Cowher who would have thought!
HC out of football for 10 years vs. Potentially a young up & comer that has already in place a good offensive scheme and relationship with QB. McAdoo will probably stub his toes a few times, but think the right decision was made.
End of the day, decision has been made. So does it really matter whether Cowher is being frank or not?
LimerickGuy thanks for sharing info you thought was solid.
In comment 12797564 ThatLimerickGuy said:
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
I may not agree across the board with Limerick Guy
but I do appreciate whatever info that posters decide to share. What I do not appreciate is assholes like Kulish and BBS acting like fucking dickfaces to posters that are offering up information they don't have to. If you don't think it's true, you can just dismiss it and move the fuck along.
I didn't hear Cowher's name this time around, and I know for a fact NYG was annoyed with Cowher's interest going public the last time TC was on the white hot seat (2010?). But, I tend to think someone from the NYG camp checked with Cowher's rep and it quite possibly progressed in a manner Limerick suggested.
In comment 12797564 ThatLimerickGuy said:
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
That's an easy one. Having a job in the league is better than no job at all. The fact that he didn't get many or any head coaching looks is a statement of his current value around the league. He might have decided that the best thing to do is keep working, and if he turns around a terrible Tampa D, he can springboard into consideration.
He didn't contradict himself. He reacted to new information: namely that he isn't a desirable HC candidate right now.
Smith was never offered the DC position with the Giants. His interview was more of a feeling out and due diligence by both parties. At the end though he was faced with 2 options.
Option 1) Sit out for another year and then be 2 years removed from a bad ending in Atlanta
Option 2) Take a DC position on a team with some decent talent and try to rebuild his stock. If he does a good job this year in TB teams will come calling based on his previous success as a head coach.
Also, I'd always defer to JonC on inside information matters so as much as I can only report what I hear, Jon knows his stuff.
In comment 12797564 ThatLimerickGuy said:
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
Because Smith has a relationship with the rookie coach in Tampa. Dirk Koetter served as Offensive Coordinator under Smith in Atlanta between 2012-14.
It wouldn't surprise me if things went down as your source suggested (I didn't hear much during the search), but suspect it was handled by Cowher's rep on the surface issues that ultimately were an impasse.
Lot of nut bags around here these days. Everyone out for blood, not interested in genuine discussion about this team's future, which I'm excited about. I think this team was a nut-hair away from 8 wins this year, and with a top 10 pick, lots of cap room, they could win 10+ next year.
The division sucks, and I think they will be better coached. People are more interested in telling everyone how Reese sucks.
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seemed to make the most sense it me. Unless TC had decided to leave anyway after last year. He was not the problem, We will find out down the line.
I don't disagree with this. However, the way they interviewed people and the whole process just didn't seem right. Hue Jackson was contacted late hence why there was no interview. Mike Smith came out of nowhere. After the whole process was complete it seems more and more like their mind was made up prior to the interview process and that bothers me. It doesn't bother me if McAdoo was really the best candidate and best situation for us to succeed but having that predetermined is not the right way to approach this. I have no idea if this was the case. They very well could have kept an open mind. I hope they did.
I think the owners decided on McAdoo right from the start simply because it was a safer move as far as Eli was concerned. McAdoo fit right into Eli's comfort zone and at this point in time Eli is the catalyst for this team....
It's all a crapshoot anyway. I would have preferred a big name hire but even that wouldn't guarantee anything. I can't blame the Giants for how they handled this entire affair. Time will tell whether they made the right call but there's nothing wrong with how they handled this. They obviously had a short list that started and ended with McAdoo.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. One dude on BBI knows all this inside info but not one source in the real world has come out and stated anything other than the Giants never contacted Bill Cowher. Not one.
I don't doubt that asshats are hearing things from people they probably trust but the info is usually not legit.
Occam's razor and all that...more than likely the Giants may have sent a feeler out to Cowher but the talks probably went nowhere because Cowher wanted more power. IF that's the case, how the hell did the talks ever get serious. The biggest road block of all was Cowher's needs vs the Giants way of doing things. The convo probably lasted all of 10 seconds. That's not serious.
Not knocking the asshats here. I just think the info being leaked is iffy at best. If you the asshat know all of this juicy stuff, someone else does. I promise you that.
I don't think the Giants reached out to Cowher, though. There's no benefit to the team in BC making this statement if it's not true. If they had reached out but he wasn't interested, or couldn't agree, it would have been much easier to make a 'no comment' type statement and just let people speculate.
The NFL doesn't work like many of you think that it does. It's not a locked vault where information is discussed. There are human beings involved who talk with their family, talk with friends, talk with players, accountants, lawyers, etc.
I was very honest from the getgo about what my connection was in this. I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC. These things were confirmed by the beat reporters a few days after I posted it. Maybe they are lying too?
As far as Cowher, as you can imagine the NFL coaching circle is a pretty tight knit group, and the same source told me that while Cowher never showed up at MetLife for an interview there was absolutely a lot of discussion about his interest in the position, with it being described to me as "his to have" if he would just coach and take only a coughlin-esque side role in personnel and defer to Reese. This was a dealbreaker for him (I don't blame him) and that was it.
Rest assured though that it was pretty much a 2 man race the whole entire time, and once the preferred guy decided against it the choice was clear.
Many of you don't realize that since the NFL is a billion dollar business, it is run the same way as any other corporation. With the bottom line, public perception and best interests of the business owner in mind.
The bigger issue is that I see why people who get legitimate information stop sharing it here. Like I really need to be called a piece of garbage on the internet because I decided to pass along something I heard from a reliable source?
F that.
Seems based on news stories, NYG wanted at the very least to retain McAdoo as OC for obvious reasons. Process may have continued longer if not for Philly interest.
Imo taking a chance on a young coach is a bolder move than hiring a past HC. If Cowher had been hired and it didn't work out, how could anyone fault the decision. It was Cowher who would have thought!
HC out of football for 10 years vs. Potentially a young up & comer that has already in place a good offensive scheme and relationship with QB. McAdoo will probably stub his toes a few times, but think the right decision was made.
End of the day, decision has been made. So does it really matter whether Cowher is being frank or not?
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
I'm trusting ownership on this one. Their last hire was a pretty good one.
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
That's an easy one. Having a job in the league is better than no job at all. The fact that he didn't get many or any head coaching looks is a statement of his current value around the league. He might have decided that the best thing to do is keep working, and if he turns around a terrible Tampa D, he can springboard into consideration.
He didn't contradict himself. He reacted to new information: namely that he isn't a desirable HC candidate right now.
Option 1) Sit out for another year and then be 2 years removed from a bad ending in Atlanta
Option 2) Take a DC position on a team with some decent talent and try to rebuild his stock. If he does a good job this year in TB teams will come calling based on his previous success as a head coach.
Also, I'd always defer to JonC on inside information matters so as much as I can only report what I hear, Jon knows his stuff.
[quote] I happen to have a good friend who is very close to Mike Smith's family. I accurately reported how his interview went and how he was willing to keep McAdoo on as OC but didn't want to be a DC.
But if Mike Smith didn't want to be a DC, why did he accept that same position with Tampa Bay for another rookie coach a week later?
Not questioning the veracity of your sources, but it appears that Smith essentially contradicted himself, right?
Because Smith has a relationship with the rookie coach in Tampa. Dirk Koetter served as Offensive Coordinator under Smith in Atlanta between 2012-14.
The division sucks, and I think they will be better coached. People are more interested in telling everyone how Reese sucks.