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NYP: Josh Norman rages over Odell Beckham

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/2/2016 9:12 am
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Norman is still upset at Sanders for defending Beckham and apparently wanted no part of an effort by Sanders to broker peace between Norman and Beckham after the game.

Norman began by shutting off Sanders’ initial attempt at friendly banter — “Man, what you think we got going on?” Norman said — then blasted Sanders to his face for applauding Beckham’s actions on the air.

“At the same time, I felt like you had his back on his stuff,” Norman told Sanders in front of a crowd of reporters. “You said something like, if he was your son, you would have [given] him props and [said] ‘Go out and do your thing.’

“This man ran 10 yards at me full speed like he was trying to take me out or something. That’s something you’re going to pat on the back and be like, ‘Good job!’?”

Sanders responded by telling Norman that he was also proud of Norman for how he handled the situation, but Norman didn’t accept his pseudo-apology. Sanders left Norman’s podium shortly afterward.

Josh Norman rages over Odell Beckham, Deion Sanders with renewed shots - ( New Window )
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Old news  
Simms : 2/2/2016 12:52 pm : link
Ref's let both players get out of hand, and should have called a stop to it sooner.

At this juncture you can only hope somehow it sunk in for a better tomorrow. Apparently this is not the case.

Sanders and others are simply fanning the flames.
In OBJ's case his ego taking a hit could be a good thing for the future. Norman still in game mode a SB title within his reach. Hard to expect him to tone anything down right now, good, bad, or otherwise.

Time will tell as it always does.
Hope the best for both of these players.
Kwall  
hassan : 2/2/2016 12:52 pm : link
I'm 100 pct in agreement with you. Odell's one long catch was in the slot not covered by Norman. Any comment about Odell having or owning Norman is ridiculously slanted.....

more  
gm7b5 : 2/2/2016 12:58 pm : link
50 cent than ol dirty, imo
Norman started the whole episode  
Elite Mobster #32 : 2/2/2016 1:21 pm : link
It began by bringing a baseball bat to the football field, swinging it at him, pointing and threatening with it while talking shit. What would you do? This guy gets on the field running his mouth. Body slams him disrespects him.

The Refs don't call anything. ALL GAME the refs aren't calling it. They let them go at it. So they went at it. Beck wasn't getting the ball because Eli was pressured. Beck was being ATTACKED by every member of the secondary. Including the proclaimed dirties player in the league (Finnegan).

Norman is a TOY GANGSTER who began to be intimidated himself as Beck kept fighting back and was not afraid as all bullies realize, when they becomes the hunted. The last disrespectful play by Norman was he last straw. Beck had to BLAST him. Norman is still crying about it. He never expected that.

Sometimes games and life meet, This was a matter of respect. Carolina's antics were because the Giants could have beaten them. They brought the game down to that level. from the beginning along with NO CALLS by the refs it was not football anymore so it came down to personal respect.
I'm sorry I clicked the lonk.  
I'mRonBurgandy? : 2/2/2016 1:22 pm : link
Norman was a jerk, Odell acted like a dick and Deion was fumbling and stumbling through that bullshit.
RE: Kwall  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12797742 hassan said:
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I'm 100 pct in agreement with you. Odell's one long catch was in the slot not covered by Norman. Any comment about Odell having or owning Norman is ridiculously slanted.....


but odell constantly was beating him. just because odell played like crap doesn't mean Norman didn't either. odell got open, which is Normans job to prevent.
dep  
hassan : 2/2/2016 1:35 pm : link
You are probably right. But one cannot play a 'poor' game and own another player.......the impression I had is Norman won this battle only because he psyched Odell out. Not because of any stellar play on his part.
RE: Hold on  
chris r : 2/2/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12797432 KWALL2 said:
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Beckham toasted him all game.

How many catches and yards did he have as they built that huge lead?

Didn't he have more drops than catches? More penalties than caches?

Norman may be a fool but Befoham didn't do shit vs CAR except embarrass himself.


How dumb. As if Norman should be credited for getting beat deep and Odell dropping the ball.

He was abused. Beckham would have put up over 150 and 2 TDs on him if he didn't drop that ball. And again, Norman deserves no credit for Beckham dropping a ball.
Odell  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/2/2016 1:54 pm : link
not putting up triple digits and multiple touchdowns had nothing to do with Norman and everything to do with Odell dropping an easy touchdown and the Panthers defensive line getting to Eli very quickly. Beckham torched and beat Norman several times. It's all there on tape. That it didn't result in production doesn't change that.

You can say that it doesn't matter without the results, and I would be in agreement. But in terms of Norman's job responsibility in so far as covering Beckham-- he got beat on several occasions and was bailed out.
Josh Norman  
EddieNYG : 2/2/2016 1:54 pm : link
Is a clown. Yeah, Beckham handled himself poorly in that game. But Norman is an instigator and holding a grudge this long proves he has some serious issues he has to deal with.
Deion is a washed up loser.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/2/2016 1:56 pm : link
Who is he to try to "broker peace" between the two? Most of today's players look at the guy as a joke these days. Oh, and LOLKWall.
I hope we get a big nasty RB like Jacobs again  
David in LA : 2/2/2016 2:10 pm : link
Would love nothing more than to send him out in open space towards Norman.
RE: Deion is a washed up loser.  
David in LA : 2/2/2016 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12797816 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Who is he to try to "broker peace" between the two? Most of today's players look at the guy as a joke these days. Oh, and LOLKWall.


He's a washed up loser? What have you accomplished?
I'm seriously hoping that Norman gets torched and Newton  
Randy in CT : 2/2/2016 2:20 pm : link
gets intercepted and both directly contribute to an awful loss.
my fantasy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/2/2016 2:24 pm : link
for the Super Bowl would be that Norman gets beat on back-to-back plays for a game-winning touchdown.
F Norman  
Thunderstruck27 : 2/2/2016 2:29 pm : link
I know a lot of Giants fans disagree...and I know every Carolina fan will disagree...but the "late hit" on Norman was anything but. The whistle hadn't blown. The play was still going on. Was it dirty? Maybe. If Norman wasn't standing there doing nothing during the play, it would've looked more like a block.
Norman was dirty all game...what did he expect to happen? Sorry OBJ didn't bend over and take it.
P.S. Norman ain't that good.
RE: my fantasy  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12797846 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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for the Super Bowl would be that Norman gets beat on back-to-back plays for a game-winning touchdown.


Mine is Peyton taking a nee with the offense, and then the whole offense doing the dumb ass pose that Newton leads on the sidelines with a lot of his teammates.
Yeah - seems to me  
B in ALB : 2/2/2016 2:41 pm : link
that Norman and Finnegan both shut Beckham down pretty well during the first 3+ quarters. If OBJ makes the catch in the first quarter and doesn't get roped into the bullshit it's a different game and a completely different matchup.

To say that Beckham was toasting him all game is a bit strange, imo.
How About giving some props  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 2/2/2016 4:23 pm : link
To Eli who hit anyone and everyone knowing OBJ was off mentally ... Then he came back to him in the biggest part of the game when he had his head back on.
Chris  
KWALL2 : 2/2/2016 4:41 pm : link
"how dumb"?

Yes, how dumb is it to claim a guy was toasted ALL GAME because he allowed Beckham to run past him one time. That's your definition of toasted all game?

How many catches did he have on Norman? Was it 2? In a game where the QB dropped back 50+ times he caught 2 passes on the guy.

Beckham didn't toast anybody in this game except his own teammates.
RE: Chris  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12797996 KWALL2 said:
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"how dumb"?

Yes, how dumb is it to claim a guy was toasted ALL GAME because he allowed Beckham to run past him one time. That's your definition of toasted all game?



It was more than 1 time. Beckham easily could have had 3 TDs against him under different circumstances. If you give up 2 TDs, you got burned. Give up 3, and you got your ass handed to you. and thats what happened but unfortunately Beckham dropped one, and Eli didnt have ennough time on the other throw.
You must have  
tomjgiant : 2/2/2016 4:56 pm : link
turned the tv off when it was 35-7 and didn,t see Odell burn him for the game tying TD.
RE: RE: Deion is a washed up loser.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/2/2016 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12797832 David in LA said:
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In comment 12797816 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Who is he to try to "broker peace" between the two? Most of today's players look at the guy as a joke these days. Oh, and LOLKWall.



He's a washed up loser? What have you accomplished?


Great comeback.
Of course he didn't get 3 or even 2 Tds  
KWALL2 : 2/2/2016 4:58 pm : link
So you want to count the one he actually scored and 2 that didn't happen. That adds up to toasting the CB all day? Got it.

Or we can deal with what really happened.

He had 0 catches, several drops, several penalties for the first 3 qtrs while his team fell behind by 4 TDs.

He finished the game with 2 catches for about 20 yards on the guy. That's it. That isn't toasting anybody.
RE: Of course he didn't get 3 or even 2 Tds  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12798016 KWALL2 said:
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So you want to count the one he actually scored and 2 that didn't happen. That adds up to toasting the CB all day? Got it.

Or we can deal with what really happened.

He had 0 catches, several drops, several penalties for the first 3 qtrs while his team fell behind by 4 TDs.

He finished the game with 2 catches for about 20 yards on the guy. That's it. That isn't toasting anybody.


well he was open for the majority of the game. I guess it was josh Norman ESP telling beckham to drop the ball or for his dline to get pressure to prevent beckham from getting the ball.

there was not a single thing Norman did in that game that stopped beckham. and don't give me the mind games because beckham dropped an easy td before all the shenanigans.

I will not argue that beckham stunk, he did. but it wasn't because of josh Normans defense. beckham was open all game.
Sure there were  
KWALL2 : 2/2/2016 5:12 pm : link
plays where Norman popped him at the line and Beckham struggled with it.

I don't think anybody can consistently cover Beckham. But to actually write that Beckham toasted Norman all game in this one is nothing but a Homer take on it.

Here you go KWALL  
map7711 : 2/2/2016 6:49 pm : link
Seems someone else disagrees w you.
Link - ( New Window )
If we had game tape,  
Randy in CT : 2/2/2016 7:49 pm : link
we'd see aside from the most egregious of fouls, Norman's hand in OBJ's face a shit ton. Punches that don't get called plus all the shit Norman was called for...OBJ did the best he could, and he wasn't ready for a shit-bag game-planning against him.

Big TC fan here...But a bat on the field pre-game and then him unaware of what was going on with OBJ (supposedly)? That didn't help his cause when the owners came together, IMO.
That article says there was no clear winner  
B in ALB : 2/2/2016 7:53 pm : link
In the matchup. It's not stating that Beckham "torched" him.
This sums it up well...  
Strip-Sack : 2/2/2016 8:07 pm : link
from the article above...

"Norman did match up to Beckham, but they didn't play man coverage very often. And in fact, Beckham killed him," Cosell said this week on the Fantasy Guru Matchup Podcast. "I watched every play and I studied it hard because I knew it would be a topic of conversation. Beckham was beaten mentally. ... But physically, it's not even close. Norman can't cover Beckham."
It was an ugly day  
Glover : 2/2/2016 8:17 pm : link
made worse by the fact that the Giants lost. Odell dropping that bomb where he toasted Norman was really what pushed him over the edge. Norman and the Panthers played their psyche out shit and Norman was the point man. Odell flipped out and went over the line, and Norman now acts like he's a victim of a crazy men. Whatever Norman. This guy got into a fight with his own QB in training camp. Him and the practice squad guy with the baseball bat are the main reason I hate the Panthers.
RE: Greg  
Paulie Walnuts : 2/2/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12797448 KWALL2 said:
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" He toasted him all game" That is the homer post of the year.

He beat him deep and dropped the ball. Then he disappeared unless he was seen dropping the ball or taking cheap shots. He was terrible in that game. He didn't toast the guy all game. That''s the type of comment that gets you laughed out of a room.

Nobody, except a giant fan with blinders on, would say he toasted him all game.


Beckham was awful in that game, Norman got inside his head and it showed, if he played a normal game, we win it...He better learn from this
No one is saying OBj  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 9:04 pm : link
was good. He wasnt. but he was open a lot against norman. the two linked pages show that. Norman did not play well whatsoever against the Giants.
I guess Greg Cossell  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/2/2016 9:10 pm : link
is a "Homer" like me. I'm not sure why you keep capitalizing the word, though. Yet, interestingly enough, your apparent inability to see what happened in the game suggests that the name "Homer" suits you even better than me.
6 catches for 74 yards  
section125 : 2/2/2016 9:11 pm : link
and 1 TD (IIRC) is not torching anybody. Just stop it. Norman was in Beckham's head and took him out of the game.
RE: 6 catches for 74 yards  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12798294 section125 said:
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and 1 TD (IIRC) is not torching anybody. Just stop it. Norman was in Beckham's head and took him out of the game.


beckham was open all game. so are you saying not covering a guy is a good job?

again, you have to differentiate between obj getting open and obj not playing well. obj got open. and he got open a lot.
Unfortunately for your argument dep  
B in ALB : 2/2/2016 9:23 pm : link
Playing well isn't about just getting open.

It's also about catching easy TDs and not committing three selfish personal foul penalties leading to suspension and embarrassment.
RE: Unfortunately for your argument dep  
dep026 : 2/2/2016 10:10 pm : link
In comment 12798315 B in ALB said:
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Playing well isn't about just getting open.

It's also about catching easy TDs and not committing three selfish personal foul penalties leading to suspension and embarrassment.


see that's the thjng. I didn't think he played well. but I can say he was getting open. despite all the nonsense, the two linked pages showed him getting open constantly against norman.

it was unfortunate beckham had a meltdown. he could have had a massive day against a top corner. but his drop followed by his antics prohibited that. but I will stand that he got open constantly against norman. Norman had a really, really bad day covering.
Hey Homer  
KWALL2 : 2/2/2016 11:00 pm : link
In the linked article it says he didn't cover him in man often. He mentioned 3 plays including a 10 yard out. 3 plays! That ain't toasting a guy all day. He QB dropped back 50 times, if he was toasting anybody all day where was he on the other 47+ plays?

I'm not a fan of Norman and have stated here j think he's severely overrated. My issue is somebody claiming Backham toasted him ALL GAME. It didn't happen. He had more drops and penalties than catches. He played like shit and hurt his team in several ways.

Beckham's behavior was unacceptable and indefensible  
Go Terps : 2/2/2016 11:11 pm : link
Hopefully he grows up and stops making himself a target with the jawing and the lame, idiotic endzone dances.
And one more time  
KWALL2 : 2/2/2016 11:19 pm : link
I did not praise Norman. I have an issue with the toasting all game comment. Then it was mentioned Norman didn't do anything. My response here:

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Sure there were
KWALL2 : 5:12 pm : link : reply
plays where Norman popped him at the line and Beckham struggled with it.

I don't think anybody can consistently cover Beckham. But to actually write that Beckham toasted Norman all game in this one is nothing but a Homer take on it.


My comment about Norman is backed up in article about Normans play at the LOS.

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Norman's superior physicality neutralized Beckham near the line of scrimmage


In other words, he wasn't toasting him on these plays.

The article mentions he didn't really cover Beckham in man, right? Mentions 3 plays and 2 of them were dropped by Beckham. Those 3 plays and 2 drops add up to a toasting all day for you and Cosell? That's great. We have a different definition of how that term is used in a football game.
Lot f time spent on the trivial  
Bill L : 2/2/2016 11:30 pm : link
About how well Beckham may or may not have played when it's better spent on the point of the thread...which is how big a thuggish homophobic douche bag Josh Norman is.
RE: He's a bitch...  
glowrider : 2/3/2016 1:54 am : link
In comment 12797402 Dunedin81 said:
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He used the same playbook that Finnegan did on Andre Johnson a couple years ago, one that got Johnson so pissed off he beat the shit out of Finnegan on the field. If you're going to slap, grab, push and otherwise mug the guy (after the bullshit stunt with the bat), don't be surprised when he flips out. OBJ deserved the suspension because we still expect self-control, but Norman should have been severely disciplined as well.


Clete Blakeman was the referee in that game; same guy reffing this year's Super Bowl. Interesting nugget.
RE: Unfortunately for your argument dep  
chris r : 2/3/2016 3:29 am : link
In comment 12798315 B in ALB said:
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Playing well isn't about just getting open.

It's also about catching easy TDs and not committing three selfish personal foul penalties leading to suspension and embarrassment.


Unfortunately for your argument, doing a good job as a DB isn't about getting beat and hoping your guy drops the ball.
I can't stand Norman.  
AnishPatel : 2/3/2016 5:53 am : link
His own QB called him a piss ant when Norman and Newton fought during training camp. How many damn players get into a fight with their franchise QBs like he did?
RE: Hey Homer  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 6:38 am : link
In comment 12798421 KWALL2 said:
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In the linked article it says he didn't cover him in man often. He mentioned 3 plays including a 10 yard out. 3 plays! That ain't toasting a guy all day. He QB dropped back 50 times, if he was toasting anybody all day where was he on the other 47+ plays?

I'm not a fan of Norman and have stated here j think he's severely overrated. My issue is somebody claiming Backham toasted him ALL GAME. It didn't happen. He had more drops and penalties than catches. He played like shit and hurt his team in several ways.


lol. ok. your right. beckham was covered all game and never had an opportunity to make plays. both these sites and myself must have seen something else.

your continuation of mentioning drops and penalties by beckham means little in regards to how norman covered him. Normans job was to cover beckham and the fact was throughout the gsme, he didnt.
Dep and Chris r  
hassan : 2/3/2016 7:56 am : link
You guys are missing the point even as you bring up several relevant points which are correct. Beckham did not own anyone against Carolina.

Did Beckham beat Norman on occasion in the game? Yes.

Did Norman show good coverage skills? He does not have great coverage skills so no. He was good at dirty crap in that game.

Did he accomplish his mission of getting Beckham unfocused? Yes.

Did Beckham dominate him? Clearly not.

Did both players act like idiots? Yes

Is Norman's continued bitching even more hypocritical and idiotic? Yes.

All are true at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive points.
We all can agree  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 8:40 am : link
that the only thing well Norman did to OBJ was get inside his head.

But like I said, as far as covering OBJ - he failed miserably. When matched up, OBJ was thrown at 7 times for 4 catches including a TD. There were 2 drops. And one pass underthrown. So those were the times when he was thrown at. If all 7 of those are completed, his stat line is 7 catches for 130 yards (at least) and 3 TDs. His PFF grade was a -5.9 (not that PFF is the all to be end all).

OBJ stunk because he was a mental midget that game. Not because Norman shut him down.
Clearly...  
Strip-Sack : 2/3/2016 9:10 am : link
Norman can't cover OBJ one on one based on that game...whether one refers to that at as "toasting" or "dominating" is a matter of opinion and semantics. What's also clear is that Norman and his thug buddies used "other" tactics to level the playing field and it worked given OBJ's tendencies...they probably learned that from Buffalo and St. Louis. The fact that Norman is still whining says it all in bold print as far as I'm concerned. The ref's should take most of the blame followed by OBJ and Norman in equal measure. Some on here look at OBJ's behavior and that's all there is to it...other's take Norman's action more into account and hold him and his teams ridiculous tactics equally to blame. I'm in the latter category and am rooting very, very hard for the Broncos for this reason.
Norman did not intimidate a WR and all NFL DB's know it  
tempit : 2/5/2016 4:02 am : link
he can't hold his head up when he talks to other DB's.

Beckham took to him and he will never be allowed to forget it.

Inside the NFL, players don't look at what happen the way those outside the NFL and the NFL Office --- so people can bring up that Beckham crossed the line but that does not carry any weight inside the NFL.
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