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NFT: Durant may sign with Warriors?

jdf : 2/2/2016 7:04 pm
Woj claims they're actually the "front-runners" to sign him if he leaves as a free agent this summer. I know the Warriors have been talking about doing this for some time now, going back to before their championship last year.

It's far from clear that Durant will leave the Thunder at all, as Woj states. My guess is he most likely signs a new two-year deal with them, with an option to leave after one year.

I actually don't think he'd be a great fit with the Warriors (of course he'd be a valuable contributor to any team), especially if they have to give up strong defenders like Iguodala and promising ones like Barnes. A trade to the Clippers for Blake Griffin, who's from Oklahoma, sounds pretty intriguing, but at this point Durant is worth more than Griffin.
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They would need to basically get rid of everyone  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2016 7:08 pm : link
Except curry Thompson and green, no one is going to take on their contracts to help them sign Durant...

Will never happen unless Durant is signing for the mini mid level
I've spent some time in OKC  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/2/2016 7:10 pm : link
And can't imagine living there if I had other options
Klay Thompson's dad  
santacruzom : 2/2/2016 7:12 pm : link
has been talking about this for almost a year. He seems confident they'll get him.
This has been whispered for some time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/2/2016 7:13 pm : link
And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.
RE: This has been whispered for some time  
nygiants16 : 2/2/2016 7:14 pm : link
In comment 12798139 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.


They would need to get rid of everyone they have except for curry Thompson green, that's all you need to know how likely it is
There was a report that  
superspynyg : 2/2/2016 7:16 pm : link
The Lakers were in the mix.
He'd of course be  
Sgrcts : 2/2/2016 7:18 pm : link
An immediate upgrade to the Warriors. He is one of the 3 or 4 best players on the planet. He's an above average defender as well. It's pretty much unarguable he's an upgrade to any team in the NBA, and even ones where they're stocked at his position i.e. The Spurs, they find a way to make it work. The Warriors best 3 players don't even play his position and even if they did, he's better then all of them except one.

As far as the Clippers, that rumor makes no sense since you take Blake off that team and they are far worse then the Thunder. Why would he leave OKC and Westbrook and Ibaka and a much deeper roster to play with an older CP3 and Jordan?
Well it would keep Lebron from winning a title in Cleveland  
bceagle05 : 2/2/2016 7:19 pm : link
unless he gets one this year. So that's a silver lining. Otherwise it would freaking suck. Lebron went to a Heat team that was pretty bad before he got there, but Durant joining a (likely) 70-win team and two-time defending champion? Holy shit.
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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/2/2016 7:19 pm : link
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Sgrcts : 2/2/2016 7:26 pm : link
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And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.



They would need to get rid of everyone they have except for curry Thompson green, that's all you need to know how likely it is


This isn't true even if you say it twice. The 3 of them are only making 43 combined, and if the cap is 87 next year, they still have plenty of space to offer KD a healthy contract with a move or two. I'm not saying it's likely but there is plenty of precedence in the NBA of guys who want to win taking less money to make it work.
Why would they break up that team  
larryflower37 : 2/2/2016 7:29 pm : link
To fit Durant?
Don't change whats working.
RE: Why would they break up that team  
bceagle05 : 2/2/2016 7:33 pm : link
In comment 12798166 larryflower37 said:
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To fit Durant?
Don't change whats working.


Yeah there's definitely some risk involved, as crazy as it sounds. As the great Charles Oakley once said: "If it ain't broke, don't break it." Quality players will flock there to play supporting roles.
A lot probably depends on if the Warriors win  
jdf : 2/2/2016 7:40 pm : link
a championship this season. If they do, they're less likely to break up their team, and he's less likely to sign with them. If they don't, however, all bets are off.
I dont buy it  
Deej : 2/2/2016 8:56 pm : link
just because I dont think he's really done all his thinking on the subject. Also put me down for a 1+1 deal for Durant.

But boy, would that be terrible for the NBA or what? Also might be the death of the 25-30-35% max contract in the next CBA (especially as a 1-2 punch with a crazy offseasons of non-stars getting 15-25 million/per).
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nygiants16 : 2/2/2016 9:13 pm : link
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And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.



They would need to get rid of everyone they have except for curry Thompson green, that's all you need to know how likely it is



This isn't true even if you say it twice. The 3 of them are only making 43 combined, and if the cap is 87 next year, they still have plenty of space to offer KD a healthy contract with a move or two. I'm not saying it's likely but there is plenty of precedence in the NBA of guys who want to win taking less money to make it work.


Oh great so they can keep Jason Thompson...

You are getting rid of bogut, iguodola, Harrison Barnes and ezeli...

They are gutting their team for Durant...

43 million plus 5 for cap holds plus the 27 million for Durant is 75 million, so they then have 12 million to fill 10 slots..
Durant  
spike : 2/2/2016 9:41 pm : link
should go with Lebron in Cleveland
Wouldn't it be implied that  
UConn4523 : 2/2/2016 9:49 pm : link
he takes less? If he rally wanted to go there he'd have no choice but to take a lot less than the max. Maybe he cares about being paid maybe he doesn't, but there's no way he's getting a max and going to GS.
And this is why  
chopperhatch : 2/2/2016 9:53 pm : link
The NBA is dumb
RE: Why would they break up that team  
santacruzom : 2/2/2016 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12798166 larryflower37 said:
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To fit Durant?
Don't change whats working.


That's how I feel. The team clearly knows how to work well together, and some of the pieces they'd apparently need to release to accommodate Durant contribute to that chemistry(especially Iguodala and Bogut).

If they don't win a Championship I can see it. But if they do? I'd guess they'd only strongly pursue Durant if Barnes doesn't re-sign.
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santacruzom : 2/2/2016 10:57 pm : link
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And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.



They would need to get rid of everyone they have except for curry Thompson green, that's all you need to know how likely it is



This isn't true even if you say it twice. The 3 of them are only making 43 combined, and if the cap is 87 next year, they still have plenty of space to offer KD a healthy contract with a move or two. I'm not saying it's likely but there is plenty of precedence in the NBA of guys who want to win taking less money to make it work.



Oh great so they can keep Jason Thompson...

You are getting rid of bogut, iguodola, Harrison Barnes and ezeli...

They are gutting their team for Durant...

43 million plus 5 for cap holds plus the 27 million for Durant is 75 million, so they then have 12 million to fill 10 slots..


From what I've read you're getting rid of Barnes (thus far: meh, and he very would could leave anyway), Iggy, and one of Bogut or Ezeli but not both. For Durant? Yeah, I'd say that's not exactly gutting your team for him.
This would be worse  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/2/2016 11:01 pm : link
than LeBron joining forces to go to Miami.

But it's KD, so everyone will just be okay with it.
RE: And this is why  
David in LA : 2/3/2016 2:27 am : link
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The NBA is dumb


Because of a rumor?
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Tuckrule : 2/3/2016 6:20 am : link
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Because of a rumor?


Because players just jump ship to go to contenders or to fit in with what's working. It is a problem with the game because small markets suffer. The whole notion that with media today you don't need to be in a major market is wrong. Players still want to be in major cities and on good teams. in a sport where 2-3 guys make you a championship team it's a problem. You no longer need to draft well. You get one good player and people will follow.
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nygiants16 : 2/3/2016 6:32 am : link
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And I don't care enough to figure out the spider web of NBA salary cab BS to determine how likely it is.



They would need to get rid of everyone they have except for curry Thompson green, that's all you need to know how likely it is



This isn't true even if you say it twice. The 3 of them are only making 43 combined, and if the cap is 87 next year, they still have plenty of space to offer KD a healthy contract with a move or two. I'm not saying it's likely but there is plenty of precedence in the NBA of guys who want to win taking less money to make it work.



Oh great so they can keep Jason Thompson...

You are getting rid of bogut, iguodola, Harrison Barnes and ezeli...

They are gutting their team for Durant...

43 million plus 5 for cap holds plus the 27 million for Durant is 75 million, so they then have 12 million to fill 10 slots..



From what I've read you're getting rid of Barnes (thus far: meh, and he very would could leave anyway), Iggy, and one of Bogut or Ezeli but not both. For Durant? Yeah, I'd say that's not exactly gutting your team for him.


Your going to have to give him a qualifying offer which is going to be another hold, what stops a team in desperate need of size offferjng him a big contract?

Bogut and Iggy are gone you need to clear out that 23 million
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Section331 : 2/3/2016 8:54 am : link
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Because players just jump ship to go to contenders or to fit in with what's working. It is a problem with the game because small markets suffer. The whole notion that with media today you don't need to be in a major market is wrong. Players still want to be in major cities and on good teams. in a sport where 2-3 guys make you a championship team it's a problem. You no longer need to draft well. You get one good player and people will follow.


How often do players "jump ship" to go to contenders? Sure, LeBron and Bosh joined Wade in Miami, but what other recent examples are there? And as far as "small markets" are concerned, after the way the NBA treated Seattle, I have no sympathy for OKC.
I don't see how off the wall rumors like this have any legs  
BillT : 2/3/2016 9:09 am : link
Sure, this "could" happen. Anything "could" happen. But it's probably as unlikely as any move out there. GS is already the champion. What? They're going to blow up a championship team to get Durant. Why would anyone do that? Makes absolutely no sense.
To many "top dogs" in one pen?  
short lease : 2/3/2016 10:44 am : link
If true - that might hurt the team rather than help. They better learn to cooperate and not care to much about who scores.

I can't see him going there.
The owners  
Metnut : 2/3/2016 10:48 am : link
have themselves to blame. This is the CBA that they took away half an NBA season to put in place. With a very low max contract number and low max duration of contract, there's only small differences between what teams can offer each player. Players are now taking control of the league and playing where they want since there's little monetary difference between different contract offers for the best players.
another  
Enzo : 2/3/2016 11:00 am : link
strike or lockout is right around the corner!
RE: The owners  
Deej : 2/3/2016 11:24 am : link
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have themselves to blame. This is the CBA that they took away half an NBA season to put in place. With a very low max contract number and low max duration of contract, there's only small differences between what teams can offer each player. Players are now taking control of the league and playing where they want since there's little monetary difference between different contract offers for the best players.


+1. Add in the failure to smooth cap increases, which gives even the Haves cap room in the next few seasons.
the NBA sucks as currently constructed  
UConn4523 : 2/3/2016 11:48 am : link
obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.

They absolutely need tiered contracts of some sort. Whether its raising the max in proportion to the total cap, capping how many max contracts you can have on the team (or contracts within X percentage of the max), really anything to prevent a situation like this from being possible.
RE: the NBA sucks as currently constructed  
Enzo : 2/3/2016 11:55 am : link
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obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.

They absolutely need tiered contracts of some sort. Whether its raising the max in proportion to the total cap, capping how many max contracts you can have on the team (or contracts within X percentage of the max), really anything to prevent a situation like this from being possible.

after the ridiculous Harden trade, why should Durant show any loyalty to OKC? LeBron's front office the first time around in Cleveland botched a ton of moves as well. Nothing wrong with seeking out a better situation.

And max contracts already are tied to the overall cap number.
Durant's surrounding talent  
Deej : 2/3/2016 11:57 am : link
has been much, much better than LeBron's. Even with the Harden trade, how much can he really complain? Westbrook and Ibaka are great running mates.

OTOH, the prime Durant era Western Conference has been a murderers row of talent.
he just signed  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/3/2016 12:11 pm : link
a $300 million endorsement deal with Nike. Unless there's a rule in place preventing stars from taking a salary too low compared with competing offers (whether by standard deviations or percentage decrease), Durant could play for peanuts if he really wanted to play with the Warriors.

I think it would be awesome to see how they would play together with all that ball movement and incredible shooting. Curry/Durant/Thompson with jack-of-all-trades Draymond? That would be fun to watch.

Whether he gets grief for it is a separate matter, but I understand why he would do it. He's financially set for generations to come... why not play where he would most enjoy himself? If that's the Warriors, then go for it.
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UConn4523 : 2/3/2016 12:15 pm : link
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obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.

They absolutely need tiered contracts of some sort. Whether its raising the max in proportion to the total cap, capping how many max contracts you can have on the team (or contracts within X percentage of the max), really anything to prevent a situation like this from being possible.


after the ridiculous Harden trade, why should Durant show any loyalty to OKC? LeBron's front office the first time around in Cleveland botched a ton of moves as well. Nothing wrong with seeking out a better situation.

And max contracts already are tied to the overall cap number.


He should do whatever he wants to do, but that still doesn't mean guys like me won't find it cowardly. If he jumped ship to GS that would go down is one of the lamest signings in sports history.

As for the cap, a max should account for a larger percentage of it.
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Enzo : 2/3/2016 12:32 pm : link
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has been much, much better than LeBron's. Even with the Harden trade, how much can he really complain? Westbrook and Ibaka are great running mates.

OTOH, the prime Durant era Western Conference has been a murderers row of talent.

you could argue KD has more of a gripe than LeBron did. Danny Ferry at least was trying to put a good team around Lebron, he just failed. OKC, on the other hand, had a team of stars in place but was too cheap to keep it together.
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Enzo : 2/3/2016 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12799080 UConn4523 said:
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He should do whatever he wants to do, but that still doesn't mean guys like me won't find it cowardly. If he jumped ship to GS that would go down is one of the lamest signings in sports history.

love this logic. By that reasoning, Philly should really be his preferred destination!
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UConn4523 : 2/3/2016 12:45 pm : link
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He should do whatever he wants to do, but that still doesn't mean guys like me won't find it cowardly. If he jumped ship to GS that would go down is one of the lamest signings in sports history.


love this logic. By that reasoning, Philly should really be his preferred destination!


You don't have to like the logic at all and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But in a game where there are only 5 starters and having 1 superstar alone will usually always get you to the playoffs, its very very lame seeing the super teams created. Even worse is seeing a top 2 or 3 player in the league leaving to the defending world champs.

The players have so much power its laughable. They make so much money on/off the court that they actual cap doesn't matter.
I'd have no problem if he did it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/3/2016 12:45 pm : link
Plus it would stack the deck against LeGM.
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Enzo : 2/3/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12799145 UConn4523 said:
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You don't have to like the logic at all and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But in a game where there are only 5 starters and having 1 superstar alone will usually always get you to the playoffs, its very very lame seeing the super teams created. Even worse is seeing a top 2 or 3 player in the league leaving to the defending world champs.

The players have so much power its laughable. They make so much money on/off the court that they actual cap doesn't matter.

who are you to say what they make off the court should have any impact at all on what they make in salary? What a bunch of bullshit. As for "power", you may want to re-think that a bit. The draft determines where they have to play for the first 4-5 years of their careers...and the CBA makes it so that the star players sign a second contract with the teams that draft them basically 99% of the time. And of course we're talking about the only major sport where individual earnings are capped.

What's interesting is that many folks are ok with super-teams being put together "organically" via the draft or trades but they get all riled up when it's done via free agency. It's pure nonsense. The so-called golden era of this league was the 80s when you had the Lakers and Celtics trotting out lineups stacked with not just all-stars but hall of famers.
I'm not  
UConn4523 : 2/3/2016 1:02 pm : link
you are making an argument that isn't there. I said Durant has so much money he can go to GS for less money and it doesn't matter. If he wants to make top dollar elsewhere he's fully entitled to that.
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BigBlueinChicago : 2/3/2016 1:02 pm : link
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strike or lockout is right around the corner!


Why would the NBA want to lockout? They just tripled their revenue with the new TV deal they signed just a few years after taking nearly a billion from their players.

Both sides are now making tremendous amounts of money.
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jdf : 2/3/2016 1:36 pm : link
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obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.

They absolutely need tiered contracts of some sort. Whether its raising the max in proportion to the total cap, capping how many max contracts you can have on the team (or contracts within X percentage of the max), really anything to prevent a situation like this from being possible.


Were you also against LaMarcus Aldridge and David West joining an already loaded Spurs team?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 2/3/2016 1:43 pm : link
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strike or lockout is right around the corner!



Why would the NBA want to lockout? They just tripled their revenue with the new TV deal they signed just a few years after taking nearly a billion from their players.

Both sides are now making tremendous amounts of money.


Plenty of mid and small market owners cried poor last time. The pie is larger than it's ever been, so they'll want their piece to be bigger.
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UConn4523 : 2/3/2016 1:51 pm : link
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obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.

They absolutely need tiered contracts of some sort. Whether its raising the max in proportion to the total cap, capping how many max contracts you can have on the team (or contracts within X percentage of the max), really anything to prevent a situation like this from being possible.



Were you also against LaMarcus Aldridge and David West joining an already loaded Spurs team?


Yes, its corny. Though Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili are on their way out so its no where near as awful as going to a team with the 27 year old MVP and his 25 year old counterpart. I did root for Aldridge to go to SA though, they West needs someone to be able to take down GS. He was going to someone good so it might as well be them.
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Enzo : 2/3/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12799184 UConn4523 said:
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you are making an argument that isn't there. I said Durant has so much money he can go to GS for less money and it doesn't matter. If he wants to make top dollar elsewhere he's fully entitled to that.

gotcha, but your claim of all this power held by the players is crap. And even if they did have power, your view that this is somehow a bad thing that that they should be looked down upon for wanting to get themselves to better situations reeks of classism.
RE: the NBA sucks as currently constructed  
santacruzom : 2/4/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12799007 UConn4523 said:
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obviously just my opinion but if Durant did this it would be awful and I'd attack him like I attacked LeBron for the same thing. Durant is a hell of a lot more likable, but it would be a lame move just the same.


See, I don't know. I can't fault someone for making a decision that would provide the joy of winning, and playing for what is turning into a phenomenal organization from ownership to front office to coaching staff to players. It would just be a shitload more fun.

I don't get the notion that players should somehow intentionally make things harder on themselves to placate fans who'd otherwise stick an asterisk next to their accomplishments. Would any reasonable person do that in any other walk of life? Did Miles Davis intentionally surround himself with shitty musicians to elevate his own accomplishments?
or  
santacruzom : 2/4/2016 3:09 pm : link
what Paul already said.
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