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NFT: James Harden... wow

DanMetroMan : 2/3/2016 11:41 am
Last 5 games 30.8 8.4 assists 6.4 boards, 1.8 steals on 51% from the field 47% from 3
I think that he and Curry...  
manh george : 2/3/2016 11:48 am : link
are very near the all-time leader board in terms of skills/eye-hand coordination, as opposed to length, jumping ability and even quickness.

Maybe Larry Bird was up at this level, but not many others. Earlier players didn't have or have to contend with this level of skills. It was a slower game, with less overall athleticism.

These two are just amazing in that regard.
They lost three of those five games  
est1986 : 2/3/2016 11:51 am : link
He's played good but this isn't even worth talking about when there are about 10 guys playing today that can do this
what fools the Thunder were to basically give him away  
Vanzetti : 2/3/2016 11:52 am : link
that's why I won't feel sorry for that franchise when Durant leaves. Pennywise, pound foolish.
Not the best SG in the league  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 11:57 am : link
...

And been watching the top 2 all year has done nothing to change my mind.
there are ten players who can put up those...  
Italianju : 2/3/2016 11:57 am : link
numbers? Not that combo of Pts, Assists, Boards and shooting percentage (especially from 3). And two of the 3 losses were @OKC and @SA. Two of the top few teams in the league.
RE: what fools the Thunder were to basically give him away  
BillT : 2/3/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 12799016 Vanzetti said:
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that's why I won't feel sorry for that franchise when Durant leaves. Pennywise, pound foolish.

They didn't give him away. They tried to sign him long term and couldn't so they got what they could for him. Better than just losing him to FA.
I hate the guys game  
KWALL2 : 2/3/2016 11:58 am : link
Wouldn't want him on my team.
RE: I hate the guys game  
Greg from LI : 2/3/2016 11:59 am : link
In comment 12799034 KWALL2 said:
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Wouldn't want him on my team.


Agreed. Great player, but the way he plays the game is disgusting.
He has seemed to be playing a bit less ISO...  
Italianju : 2/3/2016 12:01 pm : link
this year. Id take him on my team.
He's one of the reasons  
KWALL2 : 2/3/2016 12:02 pm : link
I hate Houston. Dwight Howard being the main reason. I love seeing Mr Mout Rushmore of centers continue to suck ass.
RE: RE: what fools the Thunder were to basically give him away  
Vanzetti : 2/3/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12799027 BillT said:
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that's why I won't feel sorry for that franchise when Durant leaves. Pennywise, pound foolish.


They didn't give him away. They tried to sign him long term and couldn't so they got what they could for him. Better than just losing him to FA.


They tried to get him to sign a lowball contract 4/52 after his third year. Obviously, a guy with his talent was not going to sign that. They did not want to give him a max deal because they are cheap. That team could have won multiple championships and more than recouped the extra money it would have taken to max out Harden.

Then they compounded their cheapness with stupidity by trading him for a one-dimensional player like Kevin Martin, who left anyway. Just a total shitshow on the Thunder's part.
Curry  
est1986 : 2/3/2016 12:11 pm : link
Durant
Westbrook
Lebron
Melo
Wade
Paul George
Kevin Love
Kawai Leonard
Bosh
A Davis
Plus a few others can do that within FIVE GAMES. Just FIVE GAMES.
The key pieces of the Harden trade...  
Italianju : 2/3/2016 12:11 pm : link
were lamb and the pick (ended up adams i think) not Martin. Martin was supposed to just be a vet fill in kind of thing. They never expected him to stay long.
Im gonna guess right off the bat..  
Italianju : 2/3/2016 12:17 pm : link
that half that list has never had a 5 game streatch where they averaged over 8 assists a game. And while they are solid shooters bosh, love, and davis are not going to hit 15/32 threes in a 5 game stretch. I get its only 5 games but the combo of skills it what makes it so impressive. I agree Curry, westbrook (although a crap 3 pt shooter), durant, James could prolly do it for a 5 game stretch.
RE: RE: RE: what fools the Thunder were to basically give him away  
BillT : 2/3/2016 12:18 pm : link
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that's why I won't feel sorry for that franchise when Durant leaves. Pennywise, pound foolish.


They didn't give him away. They tried to sign him long term and couldn't so they got what they could for him. Better than just losing him to FA.



They tried to get him to sign a lowball contract 4/52 after his third year. Obviously, a guy with his talent was not going to sign that. They did not want to give him a max deal because they are cheap. That team could have won multiple championships and more than recouped the extra money it would have taken to max out Harden.

Then they compounded their cheapness with stupidity by trading him for a one-dimensional player like Kevin Martin, who left anyway. Just a total shitshow on the Thunder's part.

That was all they could afford with the contracts they gave Durant and Westbrook. How many teams do you know that have 3 max deals. They did what they could.
RE: I hate the guys game  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12799034 KWALL2 said:
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Wouldn't want him on my team.


Holy shit. We have found common ground. Lets have a beer to finally agreeing on something.
Vanzetti  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 12:24 pm : link
would you pay max for a 3rd wheel? The problem wasnt the trade. The problem was the return.
RE: Vanzetti  
Enzo : 2/3/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12799108 dep026 said:
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would you pay max for a 3rd wheel?

well they're paying a guy who doesn't even start max money right now...
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dep026 : 2/3/2016 12:57 pm : link
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would you pay max for a 3rd wheel?


well they're paying a guy who doesn't even start max money right now...


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nice strech but nothing mindblowing for him  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/3/2016 2:11 pm : link
1. Curry

2. LeBron
3. Kawhi
4. Westbrook
5. Durant

6. Draymond

That's the Top 6 this year. Harden is someone I could rank anywhere from 7th-12th with a handful of other guys.

Butler vs. Harden this year, I think Harden is the better player but Butler is more complete so I think it's been a toss-up this year.

Really disappointing season from Anthony Davis who is outside the Top 10 this year.

I think you have Leonard too high.  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 2:21 pm : link
For how nutty he is.... I think you have to have Cousins up there.
Leonard is shooting 48% from 3  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/3/2016 2:27 pm : link
he belongs there. MAYBE below Westbrook, that was tough. KD vs. Kawhi is tough too, but for this year so far I'd go Kawhi.

Cousins is super talented but not that close to the Top 5/6 this year. He's a better fantasy player than reality player.
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Enzo : 2/3/2016 2:30 pm : link
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would you pay max for a 3rd wheel?


well they're paying a guy who doesn't even start max money right now...
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wait, you really don't know who I'm referring to?
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dep026 : 2/3/2016 3:27 pm : link
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would you pay max for a 3rd wheel?


well they're paying a guy who doesn't even start max money right now...
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wait, you really don't know who I'm referring to?


If you are referring to OKC, I really don't know... haha

if you mean houston, I would assume it's josh smith? ty Lawson?
Holy crow  
dep026 : 2/3/2016 3:29 pm : link
I forgot about Kanter. he should be starting anyways. but he is massively overpaid.
RE: Holy crow  
giantsfan44ab : 2/3/2016 3:50 pm : link
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I forgot about Kanter. he should be starting anyways. but he is massively overpaid.


My thoughts are that Billy is limiting his minutes so teams expect it less in the playoffs. His defense isn't as awful as it was last year by the metrics and he's top 10 in the league in efficiency and rebounding rate, and what his deal will be worth next year will be market value or even a bargain. How it affects the signings of Westbrook and KD, is another story.

Adams has been great as well so there's just reason they split center minutes between those 2. But with how rangy Kanter is, I don't see how you stop a KD, Westbrook, Kanter and Ibaka lineup. That may very be one of the bea offensive lineups in recent years.
Vecsey  
DanMetroMan : 2/3/2016 4:32 pm : link
just fired shots at Scalabrine calling him basically a career league "snitch" to reporters.
Anyone see Woj's report about GS  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/3/2016 6:35 pm : link
being KD's top destination, by far, if he bolts OKC?

That'd be...wow.
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