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NFT: Study Says Dogs Love Their Owners 5 Times More Than Cats Do

steve in ky : 2/3/2016 2:00 pm
Does this really surprise anyone though? (grin)

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Neuroscientist Dr Paul Zak, who examined the results, said: ‘From this sample it’s true to say that these dogs love their owners five times more than the cats do.’






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Bullshit  
Sly Guy : 2/3/2016 2:03 pm : link
Cats love us owners just as much as dogs do when they're hungry.
That is fucking idiotic.  
Crispino : 2/3/2016 2:09 pm : link
Imagine anyone offering an "expert" opinion on something like this, like it's science.
RE: That is fucking idiotic.  
Section331 : 2/3/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12799329 Crispino said:
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Imagine anyone offering an "expert" opinion on something like this, like it's science.


I thought the same thing, but the article shows how it is scientific.
I tried to explain this to my wife  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/3/2016 2:11 pm : link
As a cat lover she doesn't buy it
How can this possibly be measured?  
Anakim : 2/3/2016 2:12 pm : link
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Cats are really just tenants who live and eat free  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/3/2016 2:12 pm : link
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They actually spent money...  
GA5 : 2/3/2016 2:14 pm : link
to find this out?
RE: How can this possibly be measured?  
steve in ky : 2/3/2016 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12799340 Anakim said:
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They explain it in the article
Bullshit  
Deej : 2/3/2016 2:16 pm : link
Five times zero is zero.
RE: How can this possibly be measured?  
Deej : 2/3/2016 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12799340 Anakim said:
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How long after the owner dies does the pet start eating him/her.
RE: Bullshit  
steve in ky : 2/3/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 12799352 Deej said:
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Five times zero is zero.


LOL along those lines this was the funniest line in the entire article.

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‘It was also a nice surprise to discover that cats produce any at all. At least some of the time, cats seem to bond with their owners.’


Cats are alpha  
buford : 2/3/2016 2:28 pm : link
dogs are beta.
Cats  
stretch234 : 2/3/2016 2:42 pm : link
My cat brought every single thing it caught for 16 years home to the door before eating it. If that is not love what is - your dog taking a dump on the nice lawn.
RE: Cats  
montanagiant : 2/3/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12799414 stretch234 said:
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My cat brought every single thing it caught for 16 years home to the door before eating it. If that is not love what is - your dog taking a dump on the nice lawn.

No having him take a dump in your nice lawn
I'm always fascinated  
MetsAreBack : 2/3/2016 2:53 pm : link
that there are people out there that actually commission these studies. There are so many pointless ones out there that we hear about.
Montana  
stretch234 : 2/3/2016 3:00 pm : link
It was always the mulch beds
All that study shows  
JohnF : 2/3/2016 3:02 pm : link
is that Cats are more discriminating ...and smarter...than Dogs.
If one could wave a magic wand at their cat and enlarge it  
GiantsUA : 2/3/2016 3:31 pm : link
to the size of a tiger, look out, kitty is gonna eat that beloved owner or at least toy with the owner like a caught mouse.
RE: If one could wave a magic wand at their cat and enlarge it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/3/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 12799512 GiantsUA said:
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to the size of a tiger, look out, kitty is gonna eat that beloved owner or at least toy with the owner like a caught mouse.


And a Direwolf sized dog would hump its owner to death.
The superiority of dogs over cats is very simple  
Greg from LI : 2/3/2016 3:43 pm : link
cats = boxes of shit and piss in your house
Which you empty daily so there aren't piles in your house.  
buford : 2/3/2016 3:44 pm : link
Plus, you don't have to go out in zero degree weather to walk a cat.
RE: The superiority of dogs over cats is very simple  
Deej : 2/3/2016 3:46 pm : link
In comment 12799538 Greg from LI said:
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cats = boxes of shit and piss in your house


And on whom are you blaming the jars of urine? The mailman?
If you have a fenced in yard, you don't have to go out in any weather  
Greg from LI : 2/3/2016 3:49 pm : link
Let them out, then let them back in. Very simple.
Cats are garbage.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/3/2016 3:54 pm : link
Dogs are the best.

These are the facts.
Is there a corresponding study  
David in LA : 2/3/2016 3:58 pm : link
on Cat Ladies being 5x crazier than women that prefer dogs?
..  
Named Later : 2/3/2016 3:59 pm : link
I heard or read somewhere that Dogs treat their owners like companions and Cats treat their owners like staff.

True Dat.

My girlfriend has 2 dogs and a cat.  
Tuckrule : 2/3/2016 4:01 pm : link
The cat is better than the dog. He comes when called always. He's the first one to greet me when I get home. He licks my hand when I bend down to pet him. He stands in the corner of the shower every single time I shower. He's really the best animal I've ever seen. He loves people and we let him out in the hallways and he comes back when we call him. Maybe growing up around 2 labs helped but he might be the greatest cat to walk the planet.

To sum it up. Dogs are better becaus this cat acts like a dog. That says it all.
Eh, my cats show plenty of affection  
Jon : 2/3/2016 4:03 pm : link
as does my dog. Either way you're cleaning up shit. Whether it's in your backyard or in a box. (at least I hope you are) I don't know, I don't see why it has to be one or the other.
I inherited my mom's cat  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/3/2016 4:04 pm : link
It hates me with the burning fire of one thousand suns. He will tolerate me if I am bringing him food. Other than that, he has his space, I have mine, and we don't make eye contact.
it depends  
jtfuoco : 2/3/2016 4:28 pm : link
on life style as well I often have to leave town for a day or two for business and I don't have to worry about the cat he will take care of himself but a Dog would need to be watched costing more money and issues than I want.
All I know is that my dog adores me  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/3/2016 4:31 pm : link
and the feeling is mutual
Another study says that...  
manh george : 2/3/2016 4:32 pm : link
cats love themselves 5 times more than dogs do.
I wouldn't call this "science"  
Kevin999 : 2/3/2016 4:40 pm : link
Dogs and cats might produce the hormone differently etc. They also used a whopping sample size of 10. Maybe those 10 cat owners were total a-holes and the cats had a legit reason not to love them!
RE: Montana  
montanagiant : 2/3/2016 4:47 pm : link
In comment 12799450 stretch234 said:
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It was always the mulch beds
Ha..
I have one who thinks that because the deck is snow covered that means he does not need to go to the backyard
Leave the door open  
Headhunter : 2/3/2016 4:57 pm : link
and see how much your kitty loves you.
I have and it's always come back.  
Jon : 2/3/2016 5:00 pm : link
What's your point?
Ah the anecdotal example  
Headhunter : 2/3/2016 5:03 pm : link
All you cat lovers leave your doors open tonight and report back how many came back. I know of 1
My cats always come back.  
buford : 2/3/2016 5:08 pm : link
They aren't stupid.
RE: I inherited my mom's cat  
buford : 2/3/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 12799585 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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It hates me with the burning fire of one thousand suns. He will tolerate me if I am bringing him food. Other than that, he has his space, I have mine, and we don't make eye contact.


The only thing worse than a cat that hates you is one that will not leave you alone.
Many, many, many people have indoor/outdoor cats  
Jon : 2/3/2016 5:10 pm : link
Hell, Ronnie takes his cat for walks. Your point is invalid.
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buford : 2/3/2016 5:21 pm : link
I believe this. Seems scientific too  
Patrick77 : 2/3/2016 5:39 pm : link
Dogs are needy. Like that crazy ex you left in high school.
Dogs  
mrvax : 2/3/2016 5:42 pm : link
are actually part of a family in many homes. Cats- not so much. Very different animals. Have had both.
Agree  
mdthedream : 2/3/2016 6:20 pm : link
I have had both and the dog is by far more like family.
From a purely scientific standpoint, it's bloody stupid to  
schnitzie : 2/3/2016 6:24 pm : link
correlate the amount of Oxytocin that one species produces with:

1) the amount of actual emotional bonding that members of that species feel, and

2) to then compare the amount or rate of increase of oxytocin produced with members of a completely different species.

Emotions and attachment are complex phenomena -- HELLO?!?!

The amount of a given neurochemical that one species needs to experience emotional attachment or a feeling of attachment may be LESS or MORE than that of another species.

Correlation is not causation. This neurochemist is a fucking moron.

Also, SAMPLE SIZE?!?! And what breeds of cats did he include in his sample? For all we know, Ragdolls are gushers of oxytocin. Anyone who meets my brother, Larry's cat, Yoyo, would have to agree.

Cats speak their own inscrutible language. No one has figured it out yet. Vets haven't even figured out that they can't metabolize corn.

In conclusion, fuck this guy.
RE: From a purely scientific standpoint, it's bloody stupid to  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/3/2016 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12799842 schnitzie said:
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Correlation is not causation. This neurochemist is a fucking moron.


Let that sentence process for a few moments.


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In conclusion, fuck this guy.


This really isn't worth getting that upset about.
there's a whole lot of stupid on this thread  
fkap : 2/3/2016 7:36 pm : link
regarding cats.
Didn't read one previous post of this thread  
short lease : 2/3/2016 7:52 pm : link
but, I am surprised it didn't get deleted for being political.

You never talk about God, Money, Politics, or Cats vs. Dogs in public (or on a public forum).
You see, Greg,  
Giants_ROK : 2/3/2016 9:42 pm : link
when you yell at a dog, his tail will go between his legs and cover his genitals, his ears will go down. A dog is very easy to break, but cats make you work for their affection. They don't sell out the way dogs do.
burglar came to the house and the dog  
xman : 2/3/2016 10:47 pm : link
was happy to see him. wagged his tail and wanted to play. Cats not so much. More discriminating
Don't know why this hasn't been discussed.  
manh george : 2/3/2016 11:03 pm : link
Maybe I missed it.

Dogs are, in effect, wolves, which are pack animals that imprint on the alpha male and female. Genetically, then, it makes sense that they become attached to an owner who takes the role of the alpha male or female. Since that trait already existed when semi-domestic wolf-dogs began to stay with a tribe for sustenance and protection , it also makes sense that it would be reinforced--that a tribe member would be attracted to a wold-dog that imprinted dramatically on him or her. And the feedback loop continued.

Every species of cat I am aware of other than lions are solitary animals that don't stay in packs, and don't imprint on anything. Back when wolf-dogs were domesticating, wild cats still had the capacity to fend for themselves by killing wild animals, and also didn't have the genetic "training" to follow a master.

Big surprise, 10 or 20 or 30 thousand years later, dogs have learned to imprint on a human in behavior that looks like "love," while most cats are perfectly (or purrfectly) content to go their own ways with only modest amount of close human contact. There are exceptions on the cat side, but it is rare that one has the same type of bond with a person as most human-owned dogs.

Not complicated.


my dog that is half husky half Timberwolf  
eli4life : 2/3/2016 11:24 pm : link
Takes our clothes when we leave and lays on then until we get home and since the kids are grown up she is the only one who gets excited when we get home anymore like a little child.

The cat we had years back I swear was Damian reincarnated. Evil as evil can be
RE: Ah the anecdotal example  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/3/2016 11:44 pm : link
In comment 12799717 Headhunter said:
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All you cat lovers leave your doors open tonight and report back how many came back. I know of 1


They made a song about cats coming back. If you only know of one cat that has returned you really know very few cats or know very little on the subject. Either way I'd re-think expressing an opinion on the topic until you learn more.

I have had four cats. All of them have gotten out. All of them have come back. My friend had three that were all indoor / outdoor cats and would go in and out as they please. Now you know 8 and I could go on and on. Indoor / outdoor cats are very common.

I am amused by the sterotypes on here. Cats are individuals. Some love their human companions a lot, some dont. Some show it better than others. Some are sweet, some are mean, some are scared of everything.

Trying to tell cat owners that their pets don't love them when you know nothing of the particular cat or the relationship is ignorant and really pretty nasty. But you know that already which is why You made the statement.
I would've liked to see mention of a control group  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2016 12:17 am : link
Where cats and dogs received attention from a random person. That way you can see whether or not they were simply responding to attention and affection, or if it was indeed a response to the specific owner.
NYGiantFan  
fkap : 2/4/2016 8:39 am : link
yeah, that comment was so dumb, it falls in the trolling category.
Cats rule, dogs drool  
YAJ2112 : 2/4/2016 8:49 am : link
This thread is just further proof that most of you clowns have no idea how to properly treat a pussycat.
Greg, I hear you on the box of crap in....  
Crispino : 2/4/2016 10:51 am : link
the house. On the other hand, I've never had to walk down the street carrying a plastic bag of my cat's warm, human size poop.
Had dogs and cats  
AnnapolisMike : 2/4/2016 11:54 am : link
I'd say dogs NEED their owners 5 or 10 times more than cats do.

Cats are far stranger creatures than dogs. We now have only one cat who is skittish and will almost never seek you out for affection. We recently also had a orange tabby (redheads are indeed crazy) who thought he was a dog. He would chase deer, get into fights with dogs (and usually inflict damage), park himself on your lap and usually slept between my wife and I on his side with his head resting on her pillow. He used up every one of his nine lives and racked up nice vet bills for doing stupid things like eating fake flowers, chewing on electrical cords (lost half his tongue on that one) and getting hit by at least 3 cars...with the last car encounter doing him in a year ago. I loved that cat more than any other dog or cat I have ever had.



It's interesting that so many people believe an animal being around  
Patrick77 : 2/4/2016 12:18 pm : link
them or wagging its tail is equated to the human emotion of love.
Cats and Dogs  
4 rings and counting : 2/4/2016 1:48 pm : link
I've had a number of each over the decades. All the dogs were very affectionate. Some of the cats were just as affectionate as the dogs and some were not.
cats need to be aclimated to humans  
fkap : 2/4/2016 3:09 pm : link
while they are very young, or they will never be completely trusting of a human, no matter how much affection/comfort you give them.

Dogs have a little more leeway.
RE: cats need to be aclimated to humans  
BMac : 2/4/2016 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12801008 fkap said:
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while they are very young, or they will never be completely trusting of a human, no matter how much affection/comfort you give them.

Dogs have a little more leeway.


I believe that if a kitten experiences no human contact before hitting seven or eight weeks it will, for all intents and purposes, be a wild animal for life.
I had one dog that would crap  
PA Giant Fan : 2/4/2016 4:05 pm : link
All the way in the back area of the yard where no one would go...everytime.. Thats an awesome dog.

Have a Golden retriever now. Dog is crazy co-dependant like a stalker.
Cats are a mixed bag  
PA Giant Fan : 2/4/2016 4:08 pm : link
Thing is they are true killers. They don't really lose that instinct. If they grew to 50 lbs plus, they would kill people.

And I have had some great cats.
RE: Cats are a mixed bag  
BMac : 2/4/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12801102 PA Giant Fan said:
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Thing is they are true killers. They don't really lose that instinct. If they grew to 50 lbs plus, they would kill people.

And I have had some great cats.


That's why we don't keep Tigers, Lions, Leopards, Lynxes, etc. as pets. It's a specious argument.
RE: My girlfriend has 2 dogs and a cat.  
Sarcastic Sam : 2/4/2016 9:43 pm : link
In comment 12799579 Tuckrule said:
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The cat is better than the dog. He comes when called always. He's the first one to greet me when I get home. He licks my hand when I bend down to pet him. He stands in the corner of the shower every single time I shower. He's really the best animal I've ever seen. He loves people and we let him out in the hallways and he comes back when we call him. Maybe growing up around 2 labs helped but he might be the greatest cat to walk the planet.

To sum it up. Dogs are better becaus this cat acts like a dog. That says it all.


Um. That cat sounds like a perv...
Poops in a box, eh?  
JohnF : 2/4/2016 11:28 pm : link
RE: It's interesting that so many people believe an animal being around  
Del Shofner : 2/4/2016 11:34 pm : link
In comment 12800686 Patrick77 said:
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them or wagging its tail is equated to the human emotion of love.


Good point. It's not really "love" on the dog's part, it's ... being a dog. They are great companions though.

I'm allergic to cats so I've never lived with them much. I think they're cool (in several meanings of that word), definitely very different from dogs.
RE: Cats are a mixed bag  
Jon : 2/5/2016 5:02 am : link
In comment 12801102 PA Giant Fan said:
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Thing is they are true killers. They don't really lose that instinct. If they grew to 50 lbs plus, they would kill people.

And I have had some great cats.


You do realize that people do keep larger cat species that are around 50lbs as pets, right?
I don't care what anybody thinks ...  
short lease : 2/5/2016 7:27 am : link
... Dogs are the best species (including humans) on the planet ... period.
I had a cat that was semi-feral  
buford : 2/5/2016 7:54 am : link
she and her mom just showed up in our yard one day. The mom walked right into our house. I had to trap Rusty to get her in side. She was a few months old, outside the window of when cats get acclimated to people. She was always skittish and attached herself to one of my other cats. When he died, she became more affectionate. She was such a sweet cat. You can tame a feral, it just takes a lot of time and patience.
And if 50lb cats just roamed around everywhere, there would be attacks  
PA Giant Fan : 2/5/2016 5:15 pm : link
all the time. Not sure you all understand specious. Cats never lose that wildness. They are pure killers. Some dogs are but it can be trained and bred out of them or in them.

The sweetest nicest friendliest cat is a killer at heart.

My Golden retriever couldn't kill anything.
RE: And if 50lb cats just roamed around everywhere, there would be attacks  
BMac : 2/5/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 12802619 PA Giant Fan said:
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all the time. Not sure you all understand specious. Cats never lose that wildness. They are pure killers. Some dogs are but it can be trained and bred out of them or in them.

The sweetest nicest friendliest cat is a killer at heart.

My Golden retriever couldn't kill anything.


Still waiting for a relevant point to be made here.
animal racism  
xman : 2/5/2016 7:32 pm : link
going on here
my cat  
SethFromAstoria : 2/5/2016 8:38 pm : link
was fostered with lots of other animals and caring humans. The combo of being raised in very early life with other animals and kind people, and personality will lead to a very docile cat. I also think males are more docile than females. MY boy is like a dog. He speaks when spoken to. He fetches. He shows affection etc...



Beautiful Cat!  
buford : 2/5/2016 10:01 pm : link
My cat should love me, I just spent $1000 on him at the vet. Had a blocked bladder. Now he's home and I just gave him his pain meds. Cats on drugs are weird.

I find male cats more affectionate than females.
RE: Beautiful Cat!  
SethFromAstoria : 2/6/2016 12:47 am : link
In comment 12802792 buford said:
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My cat should love me, I just spent $1000 on him at the vet. Had a blocked bladder. Now he's home and I just gave him his pain meds. Cats on drugs are weird.

I find male cats more affectionate than females.


this happened to my cat twice in a month. It wasn't cheap. He has been good since the prescription food.

And thanks for the compliment. He is quite a nice looking animal. haha
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