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DanMetroMan : 2/3/2016 3:59 pm
Test tube meat... the future?
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Soylent Green  
Victor in CT : 2/3/2016 4:00 pm : link
yum.

make it stop
Interesting.  
Randy in CT : 2/3/2016 4:02 pm : link
Raises the question that if you think animals are being treated inhumanely for food, do you opt for meat this way, or just moving on to a vegan diet? I'd like to see the diet comparisons pertaining to overall health impact with both diets.
If people stopped eating animals  
Hades07 : 2/3/2016 4:11 pm : link
Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?
Setting aside  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/3/2016 4:13 pm : link
the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.
I predicted this would happen one day in the distant future.  
madgiantscow009 : 2/3/2016 4:14 pm : link
Eating a rare animal steak wouldn't be a big deal.

Cannibal tribes....
And the industry will insist  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/3/2016 4:14 pm : link
on preventing labeling from identifying meat from an animal vs a test tube.
RE: If people stopped eating animals  
Randy in CT : 2/3/2016 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12799600 Hades07 said:
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Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?
No, they wouldn't be overbred, but they could/would still exist. However, with less cows for meat, for example, you'd need less acreage to feed those cows and that acreage could be used directly for vegetables for humans to eat at a much, much more efficient rate.

But would we like it more for certain animals to naturally go extinct, instead of raising them in a tortured existence? Sure.
RE: If people stopped eating animals  
NYG27 : 2/3/2016 4:19 pm : link
Hades07 said:
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Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?


Good point, I've seen wild turkey and wild boars before. I've never seen a wild chicken or cow before. If they weren't needed as a food source anymore, why would farmers keep them around?
We would keep some chickens for eggs  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/3/2016 4:22 pm : link
and cows for milk. Some would be raised as a hobby. Do we eat dogs, horses, cats, etc, etc?

You don't see the cows and chickens you eat anyway. They're "raised" in factory farms.
Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 2/3/2016 4:28 pm : link
if people could get over it being "gross" much of the worlds issues with lack of food could be solved by bugs as protein.
Here You Go  
Trainmaster : 2/3/2016 4:34 pm : link
RE: Supposedly  
NYG27 : 2/3/2016 4:39 pm : link
DanMetroMan said:
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if people could get over it being "gross" much of the worlds issues with lack of food could be solved by bugs as protein.


On Shark Tank, there was an energy bar company called Chapul. They made their bars with crickets.

Per their website, here are the benefits of eating crickets....

* Crickets contains the nine essential amino acids like other organic meat sources including beef, chicken, and pork.

* 15% more iron than spinach, two times the protein content of beef and as much B12 as salmon.

* Exposed to lower levels of phytoestrogens than soy, whey protein and other meat substitute

* Crickets need 8% of the feed and water as cows to make the same amount of protein.

* Crickets produce 1% of the greenhouse gases cows do.

* Our population is increasing by 75 million people a year. The average adult needs 51 grams of protein a day.

* Other parts of the world already eat crickets mixed into their food products like Mexico, Italy, Middle East, Thailand and Austrailia

Eventually, Mark Cuban invested in them and they have now become a multi million dollar company.
Insects are the future  
BurlyMan : 2/3/2016 4:44 pm : link
of nutritious cuisine. Had crickets on more than one occasion on most recent trip to Mexico. NBD. Roasted, salted and dusted with chili power.
This actually creates an interesting question  
montanagiant : 2/3/2016 4:44 pm : link
If you are a vegan, are you violating that if you eat test tube meat?

RE: This actually creates an interesting question  
Randy in CT : 2/3/2016 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12799682 montanagiant said:
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If you are a vegan, are you violating that if you eat test tube meat?
I'd imagine so. You get an asterisk.
RE: This actually creates an interesting question  
Sarcastic Sam : 2/3/2016 4:57 pm : link
In comment 12799682 montanagiant said:
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If you are a vegan, are you violating that if you eat test tube meat?


Yes, you're allowed to call yourself a vegan, but you're not allowed to be all uppity about it.
RE: Setting aside  
jcn56 : 2/3/2016 5:02 pm : link
In comment 12799606 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.


Bingo - I was watching the founder of a company that devised an egg substitute made out of a type of split pea. The main drivers were the usual - targeted at people with egg allergies, avoiding salmonella, etc. - but the main kick was a driver to reduce the carbon impact of the egg industry, claiming that these peas were a lot easier to grow in massive amounts and wouldn't require anywhere near as much water or produce as much carbon emissions.

It drove me to try some of their mayo, and it was pretty damn good. Meat's obviously a much more complicated matter, but if someone could devise a suitable alternative that wasn't as stressful on the environment and possibly even healthier, it would certainly be worth giving a shot.
Vegan mayo tastes great  
mattlawson : 2/3/2016 5:23 pm : link
Mixed with sriracha
If anyone's interested, this was the stuff  
jcn56 : 2/3/2016 5:24 pm : link
Whole Foods sells it a whole lot cheaper, just check out the refrigerated section.
http://www.amazon.com/Hampton-Creek-Original-Gluten-Indivdual/dp/B00KOHNX6C - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Setting aside  
Randy in CT : 2/3/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12799714 jcn56 said:
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the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.



Bingo - I was watching the founder of a company that devised an egg substitute made out of a type of split pea. The main drivers were the usual - targeted at people with egg allergies, avoiding salmonella, etc. - but the main kick was a driver to reduce the carbon impact of the egg industry, claiming that these peas were a lot easier to grow in massive amounts and wouldn't require anywhere near as much water or produce as much carbon emissions.

It drove me to try some of their mayo, and it was pretty damn good. Meat's obviously a much more complicated matter, but if someone could devise a suitable alternative that wasn't as stressful on the environment and possibly even healthier, it would certainly be worth giving a shot.
Well, we've had hens for almost 6 years and they live a great life, all things being equal. We get great eggs and they get the life of a pet, practically for whatever that's worth.

So, eggs can be had fairly easily while also seeking humane animal treatment.
Nothing legitimizes fake meat more  
smshmth8690 : 2/3/2016 5:45 pm : link
than a chef plating microgreens on a meatball with a pair of tweezers.
And just how good is Orange Juice without oranges?  
KeoweeFan : 2/3/2016 5:46 pm : link
You must remember Tang.
RE: RE: RE: Setting aside  
jcn56 : 2/3/2016 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12799790 Randy in CT said:
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the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.



Bingo - I was watching the founder of a company that devised an egg substitute made out of a type of split pea. The main drivers were the usual - targeted at people with egg allergies, avoiding salmonella, etc. - but the main kick was a driver to reduce the carbon impact of the egg industry, claiming that these peas were a lot easier to grow in massive amounts and wouldn't require anywhere near as much water or produce as much carbon emissions.

It drove me to try some of their mayo, and it was pretty damn good. Meat's obviously a much more complicated matter, but if someone could devise a suitable alternative that wasn't as stressful on the environment and possibly even healthier, it would certainly be worth giving a shot.

Well, we've had hens for almost 6 years and they live a great life, all things being equal. We get great eggs and they get the life of a pet, practically for whatever that's worth.

So, eggs can be had fairly easily while also seeking humane animal treatment.


Randy - my post was about the environmental impact of the chickens, not their treatment.

And quite frankly, none of us want to know how tender you are with your chickens.
I'll wait to see their  
Bill in UT : 2/3/2016 6:01 pm : link
chicken wings
Humans are omnivores.  
section125 : 2/3/2016 6:31 pm : link
Means we eat meat and vegetables. You take away my hamburgers and I'll call a fatwah on you....
Hamburgers  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/3/2016 6:40 pm : link
aren't going anywhere in our lifetime.

This is an interesting look at what the human diet might look like in the future.
Honey  
Sec 103 : 2/3/2016 6:45 pm : link
I got your test tube meat right here....
RE: If people stopped eating animals  
Moondawg : 2/3/2016 6:49 pm : link
In comment 12799600 Hades07 said:
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Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?


You are so compassionate.

"If we didn't breed slaves, then. . ."

Forgive the snark please.
I thought this thread was going to be about  
JCin332 : 2/3/2016 7:34 pm : link
Randy choking his chicken...
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Randy in CT : 2/3/2016 8:07 pm : link
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the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.



Bingo - I was watching the founder of a company that devised an egg substitute made out of a type of split pea. The main drivers were the usual - targeted at people with egg allergies, avoiding salmonella, etc. - but the main kick was a driver to reduce the carbon impact of the egg industry, claiming that these peas were a lot easier to grow in massive amounts and wouldn't require anywhere near as much water or produce as much carbon emissions.

It drove me to try some of their mayo, and it was pretty damn good. Meat's obviously a much more complicated matter, but if someone could devise a suitable alternative that wasn't as stressful on the environment and possibly even healthier, it would certainly be worth giving a shot.

Well, we've had hens for almost 6 years and they live a great life, all things being equal. We get great eggs and they get the life of a pet, practically for whatever that's worth.

So, eggs can be had fairly easily while also seeking humane animal treatment.



Randy - my post was about the environmental impact of the chickens, not their treatment.

And quite frankly, none of us want to know how tender you are with your chickens.
I thought the adults were going to talk but I forgot the poster...and the forum.
RE: Hamburgers  
section125 : 2/3/2016 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12799866 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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aren't going anywhere in our lifetime.

This is an interesting look at what the human diet might look like in the future.


LGG, I doubt it changes much in the next 100+ years.
section125  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/3/2016 8:36 pm : link
I wouldn't argue with that, but it will likely happen eventually.

Change makes people uncomfortable even if it is change that will happen many years after their own demise. Very interesting.
It is an interesting topic to contemplate  
mfsd : 2/3/2016 8:41 pm : link
It seems throughout the earths history, all species were forced to fall into a relative equilibrium with their environment. There was a food chain, you had predators and prey, but no one species could dominate so thoroughly as to change the environment on too wide a scale

Then humans developed the ability to think and plan, which led to things like cutting down trees for farming, domesticating animals to control and enhance the food supply, and ultimately breeding our food supply to suit our needs...not just animals, but growing crops

Which has led to wide scale environmental changes (not to mention what some anthropologists call another mass extinction we are actually in the middle of right now).

And I'm not trying to make any kind of political point about global warming in the past 100 or so years, but rather just think about the effect humans have had on the earth for the past 100,000 years. And the myriad of plant and animal species that have gone extinct during the time of human dominion over our environment has certainly altered how the food chain works

And now we're likely nearing a tipping point where human population is growing unchecked to the point where the earths resources can't sustain it. Much of which is the ultimate driver behind the worlds conflicts...disputes over scarce resources like oil, food, land, water.

For science to reach the point now where we can simply create our food supply in a lab, thus slowly but surely eliminating the need to drain the earth dry of its resources, begs the question - could we start to return to some level of balance with our environment? Or (more likely, IMO), could we simply put the march towards extinction on fast forward?

Personally, if we don't manage it through warfare so devastating that we destroy ourselves, or another asteroid doesn't do us in, I think the spread of ever more deadly diseases may get us. And then I wonder what species will end up dominating the earth next.

Do I have an ultimate point? Not really. But not a bad ramble for a guy who hasn't smoked pot or dropped acid for over 7 years:)

It could be a flashback  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/3/2016 8:58 pm : link
I think some type of virus is more likely when it comes to establishing equilibrium. I'm in the camp that believes nature has a way of correcting things.
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jcn56 : 2/3/2016 9:55 pm : link
In comment 12799964 Randy in CT said:
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the issue of what is or isn't humane; This kind of thing is likely going to be reality in the distant future given the rate of population growth, and the amount of space and resources needed to raise livestock.



Bingo - I was watching the founder of a company that devised an egg substitute made out of a type of split pea. The main drivers were the usual - targeted at people with egg allergies, avoiding salmonella, etc. - but the main kick was a driver to reduce the carbon impact of the egg industry, claiming that these peas were a lot easier to grow in massive amounts and wouldn't require anywhere near as much water or produce as much carbon emissions.

It drove me to try some of their mayo, and it was pretty damn good. Meat's obviously a much more complicated matter, but if someone could devise a suitable alternative that wasn't as stressful on the environment and possibly even healthier, it would certainly be worth giving a shot.

Well, we've had hens for almost 6 years and they live a great life, all things being equal. We get great eggs and they get the life of a pet, practically for whatever that's worth.

So, eggs can be had fairly easily while also seeking humane animal treatment.



Randy - my post was about the environmental impact of the chickens, not their treatment.

And quite frankly, none of us want to know how tender you are with your chickens.

I thought the adults were going to talk but I forgot the poster...and the forum.


The adults were talking - until you quoted my post about the environmental impact of the egg industry as part of your reply on how nicely you treat your pet chickens.

Should've wrapped it up with something else unrelated, like a good recipe for nachos.
test tube meat  
4 rings and counting : 2/3/2016 11:43 pm : link
It won't be that long before test tube meat is produced much less expensively than ranchers can produce meat. Another benefit is that you will never need to worry about mad cow disease or antibiotics or any other contaminants in your burger.
Rather eat a hot dog ...  
short lease : 2/4/2016 1:30 am : link
test tube steak.
RE: RE: If people stopped eating animals  
eli4life : 2/4/2016 7:51 am : link
In comment 12799629 NYG27 said:
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Hades07 said:


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Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?



Good point, I've seen wild turkey and wild boars before. I've never seen a wild chicken or cow before. If they weren't needed as a food source anymore, why would farmers keep them around?

I'm guessing you haven't been anywhere between Miami and key west
So either we start hunting the shit out of prey animals  
Cam in MO : 2/4/2016 9:33 am : link
or increase the population of predators, right?

Or do we just let prey animals overpopulate and die in one of the shittiest ways possible (starvation)?

This has been going on for a while now with wild horses on a pretty large scale in the West/Midwest.


RE: It is an interesting topic to contemplate  
Cam in MO : 2/4/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 12799990 mfsd said:
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It seems throughout the earths history, all species were forced to fall into a relative equilibrium with their environment. There was a food chain, you had predators and prey, but no one species could dominate so thoroughly as to change the environment on too wide a scale

Then humans developed the ability to think and plan, which led to things like cutting down trees for farming, domesticating animals to control and enhance the food supply, and ultimately breeding our food supply to suit our needs...not just animals, but growing crops

Which has led to wide scale environmental changes (not to mention what some anthropologists call another mass extinction we are actually in the middle of right now).

And I'm not trying to make any kind of political point about global warming in the past 100 or so years, but rather just think about the effect humans have had on the earth for the past 100,000 years. And the myriad of plant and animal species that have gone extinct during the time of human dominion over our environment has certainly altered how the food chain works

And now we're likely nearing a tipping point where human population is growing unchecked to the point where the earths resources can't sustain it. Much of which is the ultimate driver behind the worlds conflicts...disputes over scarce resources like oil, food, land, water.

For science to reach the point now where we can simply create our food supply in a lab, thus slowly but surely eliminating the need to drain the earth dry of its resources, begs the question - could we start to return to some level of balance with our environment? Or (more likely, IMO), could we simply put the march towards extinction on fast forward?

Personally, if we don't manage it through warfare so devastating that we destroy ourselves, or another asteroid doesn't do us in, I think the spread of ever more deadly diseases may get us. And then I wonder what species will end up dominating the earth next.

Do I have an ultimate point? Not really. But not a bad ramble for a guy who hasn't smoked pot or dropped acid for over 7 years:)


All of the 'bad' stuff you point out is the 'equilibrium' in process.

This idea of "perfect balance" with the environment is complete bullshit. Every species is in a constant state of imbalance- that's why populations aren't in stasis- they're constantly changing, whether it is increasing or stagnating.

This whole idea of humans somehow being so unique as to be outside of nature is ridiculous narcissism.


RE: RE: If people stopped eating animals  
Hades07 : 2/5/2016 9:18 am : link
In comment 12799883 Moondawg said:
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Many farm animals would cease to exist. So if you love animals and don't want them to be eaten, would you prefer they go extinct?



You are so compassionate.

"If we didn't breed slaves, then. . ."

Forgive the snark please.
Actually, I am compassionate. I just believe in trying to make an impact in what I believe in. Vegans and vegetarians drive me nuts because they are large portion of the population that care enough to make an impact but choose to take themselves out of the equation. If you care about ethical treatment of the animals used for food you don't stop eating it. You eat a lot only from sources where they are treated the way you believe they should be. If the meat producers see that they can make profits from treating the animals right more would do so. You can sell ethically treated animals at a greater margin than conventionally produced meat, you just can't sell it at the same volume because of the price point and the dearth of people who care enough to spend the premium. A vegan won't purchase their product no matter how they treat the animals, so the producers don't care what vegans think. So vegans are as much a part of the problem as people who don't care how the animals are treated, since they give the people who don't care the ability to make a greater impact on how food is produced.

If everybody stopped eating meat produced on farms the best case scenario is mass extinction of the animals used for meat. Worst case is devastating environmental impact.

So your snark is forgiven.
Wait what?  
ron mexico : 2/5/2016 9:21 am : link
"Worst case is devastating environmental impact."
Hades  
4 rings and counting : 2/5/2016 5:23 pm : link
Using your logic the abolitionist should not have fought against slavery, instead they should have been compassionate slave owners. I don't agree.
This has nothing to do with slavery  
Hades07 : 2/5/2016 5:30 pm : link
And is not similar in an economic or environmental way. So you argument is invalid. Humans are not species bread for a single purpose and incapable of being sustainable as a free population.

Can't believe I actually have to explain that to you.
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4 rings and counting : 2/5/2016 6:06 pm : link
I can't believe you think vegans should financially support an industry they ethically oppose.
RE: We would keep some chickens for eggs  
ctc in ftmyers : 2/5/2016 6:20 pm : link
In comment 12799635 AP in Halfmoon said:
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and cows for milk. Some would be raised as a hobby. Do we eat dogs, horses, cats, etc, etc?

You don't see the cows and chickens you eat anyway. They're "raised" in factory farms.


"Do we eat dogs, horses, cats, etc, etc?"

We eat all animals, just not in the US. the 3 you mentioned are popular in many cultures.
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Hades07 : 2/5/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 12802650 4 rings and counting said:
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I can't believe you think vegans should financially support an industry they ethically oppose.


Depends on why they are vegan. If they are vegan because they believe in animal welfare, then they are acting against their own cause. Most I know are vegan because of how livestock animals are treated. If they are vegan because they don't believe animals should die so we can eat, then they prefer these animals go extinct.
In a serious note...  
EricJ : 2/5/2016 9:22 pm : link
McDonalds really would kick some ass if they had a veggie burger option.
Being serious for a second  
Semipro Lineman : 2/5/2016 9:56 pm : link
I would probably have no problem eating lab grown meat provided the individuals who are so anti-GMO also agree that the vast majority of lab enhanced veggies are good for them as well.
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