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NFT: Knicks Chat 2/4/2016

EricNY33 : 2/4/2016 9:51 am
- David Lee to be traded or bought out. If he's bought out would we want him back?

- With the trade deadline approaching the Knicks are in limbo. They don't have enough assets to make a move for a good player. However, they might be able to get Brandon Jennings. I don't love him, but would you do it as a low risk move to make a playoff run? Would he even be healthy enough to move the needle?

- He can deny it all he wants. It really looks like Porzingis is hitting the rookie wall.
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They showed a stat  
Aspano! : 2/4/2016 9:07 pm : link
With Melo, they are 23-22. Without him, 0-6. So with their most important players, they are playing over .500. How many people here even expected them to be playing like that preseason?

And Vujacic is playing because he played well last game. If anything, Fisher has been consistent in giving players who did well one game the chance to continue to do so the next few games, regardless of who they are. And that makes sense.
One positive: In spite of some bad play esp of late  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:11 pm : link
We've generally fought back in several games we were way behind, not often just folded. This game really was a prime game to quit after that first half but we're down now 7pts after 3. It was what 27?
Huge comeback btw  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:12 pm : link
7 point game
Afflalo can be a fantastic  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:13 pm : link
post up scorer
Wow  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:14 pm : link
unbelievable move by Drummond on KP, KP does it right back to him. Wowowowow.
Vujacic is so bad  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2016 9:16 pm : link
He wouldn't even be in the NBA If it was not for Fisher or phil
They scored 36 in the first half  
Aspano! : 2/4/2016 9:20 pm : link
And 35 in the 3rd quarter. They had a terrible shooting first half. At this point they're a jump shooting team because KP doesnt have the muscle yet to bang down low, and RoLo is just starting to develop his offensive game. Patience, people.

People want to shit on Fisher. But this team was down 27 in the 2nd, and down 24 at the half. Early in the 4th, they have a chance to be down 6. I agree that tactically Fisher still has a bit to learn, but the fact that his team is still fighting is something that can't be overlooked, and his ability to motivate is harder to learn than the tactical things.
What an absolute joke  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2016 9:25 pm : link
That is not a flagrant foul...soft ass league
Flagrant?  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:25 pm : link
Are we fucking serious?
Ouch  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:25 pm : link
that's prob going to be a flagrant like it or not

Need to hack-a-Drummond if we're going to just switch bigs onto a PG or speedy G or let them run the PnR so easy
Bullshit  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:25 pm : link
Knicks getting tagged with lots of bullshit flagrants IMO.
LOL holy shit!  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:28 pm : link
I jumped in the shower 20 minutes ago and nearly missed this whole thing. My apologies, Derek Fisher. The team clearly has not quit on you.
The flagrants suck  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:30 pm : link
but its been pretty consistent across even non-NYK games I've seen. Even that one against the Cs on Melo was really weak...they just review / call everything now. Its awful
that is  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:31 pm : link
even the one they called on the Cs
Good that Gallow hit that  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:33 pm : link
but the shot he took was his 3rd best option. Best was to shoot into the contact. 2nd best was to drive.

I'll take it tho
haha  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:33 pm : link
Galloway pump fake, spin, step back hit...

Again...PLEASE FOUL DRUMMOND. Can't just let the Gs walk in / lob it over. Getting redic, only 2 min to do it
Tied  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:34 pm : link
motherfuckers
This is crazy.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:35 pm : link
It's hilarious watching Stan Van Gundy rant and rave.
So good  
Deej : 2/4/2016 9:39 pm : link
even Reggie Miller is pulling for us.
Hope they reviewed  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:40 pm : link
that Galloway step back jumper.
Ugh  
Aspano! : 2/4/2016 9:42 pm : link
Melo reverting to heroball with that bad three.
Ugh Melo with the hero shot attempt.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:42 pm : link
Now down four.
Melo felt left out  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:43 pm : link
LG several times...then who the F is Tolliver? Melo never heard of him

What a pass from AA
good D  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:44 pm : link
better O
I really  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 9:45 pm : link
Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.
If they can get Batum  
Aspano! : 2/4/2016 9:48 pm : link
Or a legitimate 2, and then KP and Grant both having a summer of working out, this is a 50 win team.
They all tried to play hero ball and shoot the three ball for  
PhiPsi125 : 2/4/2016 9:48 pm : link
the dagger. The Knicks fucked themselves this quarter. At one point they went 5 straight possessions with 5 straight three attempts and all misses. It's just bad basketball and I'd be pissed if I was the coach. Or, if I was the coach, I just wouldn't let that shit happen. The game was theirs for the taking and they couldn't help themselves. Such an undisciplined team.
a lot of bad hero ball shots  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 9:51 pm : link
on both ends, they just hit more after we were down 27 (LG's weren't great shots, tho he made them). The O hasn't looked like the O in many games...though JC would help but not so in the first one back

Always surprised when Grant gets NO minutes and KP's relatively conspicuous absence in the 2nd half. Wonder if he's still feeling it from the resp issue
This asshole benched KP  
eightshamrocks : 2/4/2016 9:53 pm : link
for the entire second part of the forth quarter. Fuck him, He doesn't know how to coach. This season is about developing Porzingus, but apparently Fisher hasn't gotten the memo
Nice little comeback but a loss is a loss.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 9:54 pm : link
Three game home stand coming up before the All-Star Break - Memphis, Denver and Washington. Hope we can find a way to win two of them.
So are we rebuilding or trying to win games? Or moral victories  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2016 9:55 pm : link
count too?

I really don't care about the record at all.

If we are not winning, why not give Porzingis a bigger role in the offense, or let Grant grow on the job?
Grant hasn't earned any minutes.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2016 10:00 pm : link
He should be grateful he's not in the D-League where he belongs. KP needs the All-Star Break to re-charge - I expect him to get a second wind down the stretch. Let's just win as many games as humanly possible.
RE: This asshole benched KP  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 10:03 pm : link
In comment 12801662 eightshamrocks said:
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for the entire second part of the forth quarter. Fuck him, He doesn't know how to coach. This season is about developing Porzingus, but apparently Fisher hasn't gotten the memo


KP was pretty poor tonight and has had a rough streak since his resperatory infection. It is a long season. With no draft pick you dont sacrifice a chance to win because you want to develop a player. KP gets plenty of minutes.
RE: RE: This asshole benched KP  
eightshamrocks : 2/4/2016 10:05 pm : link
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for the entire second part of the forth quarter. Fuck him, He doesn't know how to coach. This season is about developing Porzingus, but apparently Fisher hasn't gotten the memo



KP was pretty poor tonight and has had a rough streak since his resperatory infection. It is a long season. With no draft pick you dont sacrifice a chance to win because you want to develop a player. KP gets plenty of minutes.


So let me get this straight-playing Thomas in the 4th quarter is a better option to try to win games than Porzingus? Please
RE: I really  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12801647 NJGiantFan84 said:
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.


Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd
Today,  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 10:06 pm : link
Yes it was. He was gassed and playing poorly. He needs a break and to recover.
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NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 10:08 pm : link
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.



Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd


Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.
Fisher says they don't run plays, so the players will naturally  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2016 10:10 pm : link
defer to Melo or Afflalo when Melo is out.
Melo 19 11 8 despite the terrible shooting  
ChaChing : 2/4/2016 10:10 pm : link
and reverting to 'old Melo' in terms of shot selection

Watched the whole thing and missed when Rolo dropped 26 on 11-14 w/ 16 rebs

43 min seems like too many for AA in a game like this. And DWill only 6 w/ KPs lesser usage. W/ JC getting 13 min & SV 11, we basically played a 7.5 man rotation if you will. I agree Grant hasn't been great but would have given him / DWill more mins for that reason alone. Not that this would W the game but as the 1st of a b2b

I certainly Q some of Fish's moves but I'm not out for the guy's head. A 2nd yr HC with basically no more than mediocre talent at best, yet things have moved forward fast for us since last yr
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nygiants16 : 2/4/2016 10:10 pm : link
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.



Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd



Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.


I don't care if melo is 1 for 20 he is still the guy on this team I want taking late game shots, there is no one on this team that should get those shots over him...

This game I have no issue with sitting Porzingis  
moespree : 2/4/2016 10:11 pm : link
He was bad and it certainly does appear tired. That being said I do agree this is not a one time thing and Fisher sits him for long stretches too many times. If his stamina level is fine he should not be disappearing for extended stretches for Lance Thomas of all people.
You can't play Gallo 48 minutes a game, so someone has to play.  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2016 10:11 pm : link
Calderon and Sasha are even worse than Grant because of their piss poor defense. Grant can't even get 10 minutes a game?

The PG play on this team is terrible despite having a former PG as the coach, albeit not a traditional one.
People love Lance Thomas or argue that Thomas doesn't really play  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2016 10:17 pm : link
in Porzingis' place, but he really does. Fisher likes to trot out Gallo, Afflalo, Thomas, Melo and Rollo/Porzingis down the stretch. I do not like Porzingis at the five because we'd be at a distinct rebounding disadvantage. So essentially Porzingis sits because Fisher has to play Thomas for some reason.

Thomas is a "glue guy" for a sub .500 team, I don't know how valuable that is. He did nothing in the 4th quarter, took 2 bad shots, let Tolliver have an open 3 (I know, I know, last time he hit a 3 was a Creighton), but had good +/- because his minutes always overlap with Gallo's.
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NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 10:21 pm : link
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.



Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd



Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.



I don't care if melo is 1 for 20 he is still the guy on this team I want taking late game shots, there is no one on this team that should get those shots over him...


I agree on the last shot. Not on a contested three with 2:30 left and 15 seconds on the shot clock. We never recovered from that miss.
The biggest problem on this team  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2016 10:27 pm : link
Is no guy who can initiate the offense and run pick and pop with melo as the pick guy...

Right now melo has to do that and it is wearing him down...

Everyone hates him but in that 54 win team down the stretch if Gamez it was pick and pop felgon and melo...chandler the weak side guy, Jr and Kidd or prigioni or shumpert as the 3 point spread the floor guys
I suspect Porz plays the minutes KP thinks he can handle  
Deej : 2/4/2016 10:31 pm : link
I dont think Thomas is taking KP's minutes. I Thomas + Rolo play the minutes that KP cant handle in Fisher's opinion. Fisher is right there, and in a much better position to know if KP has 28 minutes or 32 minutes or 37 minutes on any given night.

This I think is a big thing in sports that we fans often overlook. The coaches know who drinks. Who is dragging ass in warmups. Who is gasping for air 4 minutes into the game. Who just seems distracted. The human side of player substitutions is big.
We have already passed the point where Porzingis has already played  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/4/2016 10:47 pm : link
more games and minutes than last year, or ever.

The rookie wall gets everyone.
Box score -  
Del Shofner : 2/4/2016 10:52 pm : link
missed tonight's game but box score looks like ...

- KP still @ rookie wall
- Rolo played pretty awesome
- Calderon was horrendous
- Melo tried but couldn't be the hero
- Galloway was good off the bench


Box score - ( New Window )
So play him 14 minutes per half, 7 minutes to start, 10 minutes rest  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2016 10:56 pm : link
then the last 7 minutes. Or bring him off the bench but play him down the stretch.

Or give him quality minutes where plays are called for him. Now it's either put-back slams or contested three's. Or running around on the perimeter just so Calderon can ignore him.

I'm not saying abuse him until he melts away, just use him more wisely. Same with Grant.
RE: So play him 14 minutes per half, 7 minutes to start, 10 minutes rest  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/4/2016 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12801727 Jim in Hoboken said:
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then the last 7 minutes. Or bring him off the bench but play him down the stretch.

Or give him quality minutes where plays are called for him. Now it's either put-back slams or contested three's. Or running around on the perimeter just so Calderon can ignore him.

I'm not saying abuse him until he melts away, just use him more wisely. Same with Grant.


He normally does play down the stretch, but he isnt entitled to. I want a coach that lets him know he has to earn those minutes. He had four rebounds tonight in 24 minutes, five points and played mediocre Defense. He looked gassed and RoLo was great tonight. I love him but the team looked better tonight when he was out. Doesnt mean it wont be different next time, but he had no business being in the game down the stretch tonight.
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