- David Lee to be traded or bought out. If he's bought out would we want him back?
- With the trade deadline approaching the Knicks are in limbo. They don't have enough assets to make a move for a good player. However, they might be able to get Brandon Jennings. I don't love him, but would you do it as a low risk move to make a playoff run? Would he even be healthy enough to move the needle?
- He can deny it all he wants. It really looks like Porzingis is hitting the rookie wall.
Jennings is an expiring deal, so adding him wouldn't hinder their flexibility at all.
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Why? You can fairly argue that without a #1 the upside of missing the playoffs isnt there, but if we make the playoffs it is very likely as the #8 seed, and the Cavs will smoke us. Why is that so important.
Also, Jennings doesnt fit in this offense and as mentioned is a UFA. What assets would you give for him? Im not giving Williams, Galloway, Grant, Hernangomez, or future picks for Jennings.
But if you get rid of Calderon and O'Quinn keeping those other guys doesn't stop you from adding a top end talent...
You already have 2 in place, you could potentially add 2 more
Lee would go to a contender i would guess. Doesnt really fit for us anyway.
- His agent thinks he'd be a top 20 pick if he was in this draft
- He and KP talk EVERY DAY. I knew they were ex-teammates. Didnt know they were that close tho.
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Im we need to add at least one more leading guy (ie better than Rolo). You do that with cap space or getting lucky in the draft. I dont think you do it committing long term to Lance Thomas, a clear role player. Williams is a different story.
- His agent thinks he'd be a top 20 pick if he was in this draft
- He and KP talk EVERY DAY. I knew they were ex-teammates. Didnt know they were that close tho.
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this is why Berman is awful. He claims the pick was purchased from Philly but in reality we traded cash AND 2 future second rounders for that pick. How does he not know this?
Im we need to add at least one more leading guy (ie better than Rolo). You do that with cap space or getting lucky in the draft. I dont think you do it committing long term to Lance Thomas, a clear role player. Williams is a diff
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Williams flat out said he signed the deal he did so he could opt out. This was only a few weeks ago. He's opting out barring injury.
Afflalo and Williams have options this off-season so the Knicks really don't have any control over them anyway. I can't imagine Phil really considers them part of the core going forward. Maybe for this season, and if they're looking to trade that means they're trying to make the playoffs.
DX has him at #26 in the lastest mock. Not quite big time.
Im we need to add at least one more leading guy (ie better than Rolo). You do that with cap space or getting lucky in the draft. I dont think you do it committing long term to Lance Thomas, a clear role player. Williams is a different story.
Aa I can see staying, Williams I would be shocked about unless phil tells him to not opt out and they will extend him the following year but that is a huge risk on Williams part...
I expect a pg to be brought in low risk guy with the hope of getting rid of Calderon and sneaking into the playoffs...
I would absolutely bring Lee in if he is Boughy out and if I am trading for Jennings I am only doing it for Calderon and O'Quinn maybe future second...
It is low risk
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without a first round pick making the playoffs is more important
Why? You can fairly argue that without a #1 the upside of missing the playoffs isnt there, but if we make the playoffs it is very likely as the #8 seed, and the Cavs will smoke us. Why is that so important.
Also, Jennings doesnt fit in this offense and as mentioned is a UFA. What assets would you give for him? Im not giving Williams, Galloway, Grant, Hernangomez, or future picks for Jennings.
It's important for Porzingis' development. It would give him a taste of playoff basketball and see the difference between that and the regular season.
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DX has him at #26 in the lastest mock. Not quite big time.
He wasn't even on their top 60 when the season started. I suggest you read a bit more about him.
"Halfway through the ACB regular season, it's safe to say that 20-year old Juan Hernangomez (also called Juancho Hernangomez) has been the revelation of the Spanish league thus far. The 6'9 face-up power forward is putting up historic numbers with Estudiantes for a player his age. His 11.3 points ranks as the highest per game scoring average for a player under 21 since Rudy Fernandez's 13.7 ten years ago. Additionally, his 20.6 PER ranks is second best in the last decade as well (behind Nikola Mirotic), eclipsing some big names (Ricky Rubio, Tiago Splitter, Serge Ibaka, Kristaps Porzingis, Ersan Ilyasova, and his older brother Guillermo/Willy [drafted by the Knicks last June]) in the process so far. "
It's important for Porzingis' development. It would give him a taste of playoff basketball and see the difference between that and the regular season.
Playoffs in year 1 isnt that important for KP's development. Especially if it is to get smoked by LeBron. Better for his development is to surround him with better talent in years 2-10, I think. Getting #1s would help in that regard.
Agree. He's so cheap that you dont NEED to move him. Though the more I see of him the less I like. He plays a real old man game.
Dan: Dont want to get into a fight over what being a big time prospect means. But to me if a guy isnt being talked about as high/mid lottery, he's not remotely a big time prospect. Fra Hernangomez isnt even being talked about like that.
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now would be a typical Knicks "selling low" move. No reason at all to move him at this point unless you're getting a decent pick or two. As the cap rises, his contract is basically barely more than the minimum. If he's in your rotation, he's a bargain.
Agree. He's so cheap that you dont NEED to move him. Though the more I see of him the less I like. He plays a real old man game.
Dan: Dont want to get into a fight over what being a big time prospect means. But to me if a guy isnt being talked about as high/mid lottery, he's not remotely a big time prospect. Fra Hernangomez isnt even being talked about like that.
Deej, he went from not even listed on DX to "the breakout star" of his league and is putting up historic numbers for his age. Who knows where he ends up being ranked but "becoming a big time prospect" is far from outrageous like you are making it sound.
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I think the notion that they are "CORE" players is a bit overstated. I think a better characterization is that they are good fits for what we are trying to do here. Calderon, and even O'Quinn and Seraphin are not really.
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It's important for Porzingis' development. It would give him a taste of playoff basketball and see the difference between that and the regular season.
Playoffs in year 1 isnt that important for KP's development. Especially if it is to get smoked by LeBron. Better for his development is to surround him with better talent in years 2-10, I think. Getting #1s would help in that regard.
It's important in ANY year, even if they get beat. The playoffs are a completely different ballgame, and making it as a rookie will allow him to make adjustments this off-season. And of course adding better talent is going to help him. However, as you said, they lack a pick to do that. IN that case, I'll take the playoffs.
"Transported to today's NBA, Sampson's range probably would stretch to the three-point line. His rim defense would be more than adequate, complementing his mobility in defending the pick-and-roll. His facility from the elbows would be a gift, rather than a reason to nitpick his toughness. But even in today's NBA, Sampson would still be an outlier, because he stood 88 INCHES TALL. Only 12 other players in history have been that tall and been allowed to be on an NBA court for even a minute of game time. Sampson doesn't fit into this legacy of bigs with perimeter skills because he's simply far bigger than any other comparables, except maybe the mythologic young/skinny Arvydas Sabonis. No, Sampson stands alone. That is, until we met Porzingis.
There are so many things that make, and are going to make, Porzingis special. It's not just that he's big and versatile. On the spectrum of size he's on the absolute extreme. We don't really have a spectrum for versatility for players this big; it's just Sampson on one end and a half-dozen plodding behemoths on the other. Any talk of Porzingis as a revolutionary talent sets a high bar, for sure. But he's already scraping 7-foot-3, so let's just go ahead and start stocking up on batteries and bottled water."
Deej, he went from not even listed on DX to "the breakout star" of his league and is putting up historic numbers for his age. Who knows where he ends up being ranked but "becoming a big time prospect" is far from outrageous like you are making it sound.
When someone says he might be a lottery guy, you start that discussion. Going from 60 to 25? Impressive leap.
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Deej, he went from not even listed on DX to "the breakout star" of his league and is putting up historic numbers for his age. Who knows where he ends up being ranked but "becoming a big time prospect" is far from outrageous like you are making it sound.
When someone says he might be a lottery guy, you start that discussion. Going from 60 to 25? Impressive leap.
All I'll say is with Europeans these draft mocks are often late to the party, with good reason. The exposure to these guys isn't as great, obviously, as the North American players.
Yet another big time player that is showing how the NBA is transitioning into a positionless sport.
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Simmons will be the best passing big in the NBA almost instantly. I can't think of anyone who surpasses him. His jumper is a concern of course but his passing is off the charts.
Yet another big time player that is showing how the NBA is transitioning into a positionless sport.
Good use of "big time".
#TrollingDan
I dont buy the "he'll learn to shoot" when reflexively splashed around wings. But for 4s? I totally buy it. He seems like his medium case bet is Blake, which is nuts (though Im not on board with the LeBron talk for upside -- LeBron's physicality is just bonkers).
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could almost see Simmons running some super sized PG but then you are wasting his rebounding ability. His shot is pretty ugly but then again I didn't see Anthony Davis learning to shoot so well
I dont buy the "he'll learn to shoot" when reflexively splashed around wings. But for 4s? I totally buy it. He seems like his medium case bet is Blake, which is nuts (though Im not on board with the LeBron talk for upside -- LeBron's physicality is just bonkers).
I haven't seen Simmons shot, is it broken or does he not have the "touch"? The big thing with Davis's shot was that he would shoot with the ball in line with his face, which blocked his view. Now he shoots above his head. Davis I think was always a more natural shooter. Though I am not sure about Simmon's particular case.
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I'd still probably take Simmons, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Ingram went 1.
I'd still probably take Simmons, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Ingram went 1.
This debate is similar to the LeBron-Carmelo one back in 2002-2003.
I agree. The idea that AA (30 years old), Williams (low basketball IQ) or Thomas (lol) are "core" players is laughable.
Knicks have two core players: Porzingas and Melo. Everyone else is completely replaceable.
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will be the 1st pick and rightfully so, I don't think there's as big a gap between him and Ingram as people make it out to be. Ingram has elite scoring ability, I don't think he'll have much trouble scoring 20+ ppg in the prime of his career and good defensive potential as well.
I'd still probably take Simmons, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Ingram went 1.
This debate is similar to the LeBron-Carmelo one back in 2002-2003.
Hmm I don't think so if you are trying to say its one sided. I was very young then so I don't know how close of a debate that actually was but I think the consensus was in favor of Lebron. I don't think Simmons is anywhere near the prospect Lebron is. He is a poor man's Lebron, and I mean that weirdly in a positive way, as a poor version of Lebron would still be a dominant player.
He is very much behind where Lebron was at this point. He's athletic but Lebron brought athleticism to a whole new level, and Simmons isn't quite on that level. He pretty much has Lebron's game but is simply not as good in every facet. Defense, scoring, passing. Rebounding is probably the one area that BS will likely be better than Lebron.
Right now, Simmons game is mostly in transition. While he is the most elite passing big we've seen in a while, he's not quite the floor general that Lebron was and is. His game isn't quite as refined in the halfcourt. If I had to guess I think Simmons will operate in the post more than Lebron did. He has good touch and passes well out of the post.
Yeah that seems about right. These 2 so far seem the far and away the top 2 guys in the draft. Maybe Brown is up there with them. But the following prospects seem to have bigger flaws in their game. I admittedly haven't watched those guys enough to comment one way or another.
I agree with Hahn when he said that dealing him now makes 2016 free agency a tough sell, and might even impact KP's development, forcing him into a role he isn't ready for.
Re Melo, agree it isnt this year. Unless LA wants Melo + Thomas for Blake. You do that.
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Where does he fit in NY? I mean, it's not crazy to pair him with KP. But Rolo seems like a better fit against big lineups, and Melo/Thomas/Williams seems like a better fit against small.
Per 36 minutes: 40.3% from 2, 15.4% from 3, 78.5% FT. 10.8 points, 5.4 assists, 4 rebs, 1.2 steals, 2.4 TOs, 0.4 3s. 9.2 PER, .001 WS48.
Payne: #14 pick, 6-3, 185. 34 games, 392 minutes, 11.5 mpg (Westbrook's backup).
Per 36 minutes: 48.4% from 2, 39.7% from 3, 76.9% FT. 16.8 points, 5.8 asists, 5.1 rebounds, 2.3 steals, 1.7 TOs, 2.5 3s. 18.2 PER, .181 WS/48 (suggestive of allstar potential)
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lol, you were told to stay away from Tommy Dee.
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Dee wants to send Melo to Miami for a Winslow/Johnson package.
lol, you were told to stay away from Tommy Dee.
I really need to unfollow him. Every single tweet is about how the media hates the Knicks, how the media sucks... when that's his supposed "job" too. I have never seen a bigger homer in my life. Like off the wall homer. I say "not a big deal in the grand scheme but a bit of a misstep from Phil letting Larkin go, even if he wasn't a great fit" and he acts like I'm trashing Phil Jackson.
Grant needs to resolve his finish and his jumper. If he does that he's absolutely a starter IMO. If he does one, borderline starter/absolutely rotation guy. If he does neither, he's gone.
There are encouraging non-shooting/finishing signs from him. IMO he's our best backcourt defender. He gets to the rim. Best entry pass on the team. He needs to work in the gym, HARD, this summer. The scouting reports are not pessimistic about his long term shooting potential, and I think the finishing issue is mostly a strength thing.
Winslow is very hyped. I dont see it (I mean, I see some of it). But the sheer amount of hype gives me some pause that there is probably smoke to that fire. I do think that some if it is just he's the best draftee in Miami in FOREVER, and is known from the NCAAs.
NOT a knock on Fish tho - just the situ. We knew JGs strengths, but haven't been able to work with it while other parts of his game are behind the curve. Again it's why I'm big on chasing a few even mid-grade PGs / Gs (DeRozan, Conley, Batum of course, but even Turner, Chalmers, Bazemore help our FB immediately). And that helps a guy like Grant even b4 the individual improvements
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defends the Winslow idea, I say Winslow might have nice upside but right now he's an awful offensive player. Then he retweets another guy agreeing with the idea comparing Winslow to Leonard at the same stage. I point out the statistical differences and he ignores it lol
Winslow is very hyped. I dont see it (I mean, I see some of it). But the sheer amount of hype gives me some pause that there is probably smoke to that fire. I do think that some if it is just he's the best draftee in Miami in FOREVER, and is known from the NCAAs.
At this point Winslow is a scrapper on offense. That said, I could see him filling out that Jae Crowder type, strong D, while the 3 comes sooner or later. His athleticism probably gives him slightly higher potential. I think he'll be a solid starter but there were many guys taken after him that I think will end up being better. Everyone seemed to think it was ludicrous to take Stan the Man ahead of Winslow, now we sort of see why.
It's kinda weird that they are doing this now. Every player outside Giannis couldn't have much lower value. Parker, who was a viable #1 overall option last year, seems to have fallen off the pedestal a bit, maybe because of the injury? Parker's lack of shooting and defense is a huge concern, though.
I'd assume Middleton isn't on the block either. He's their best player, certainly has a TON of value.
I feel like teams don't see Monroe as a starting option. He'd be a solid bench option but it doesn't seem you can beat many teams with him as your starting center, especially when no one else on your team can shoot. Same goes with MCW. Milwaukee is filled with players that would make solid rotational options on a great team, but not many guys that you'd want as a starter (aside from Giannis and Middleton).
I think when push comes to shove GA and KM might be guys who peak at being good enough to be the #3-4 players on championship teams rather than #1-2 players. GA has the potential to make a huge leap though.
Doesn't make sense to me either. Trading away a solid player who is on a solid deal going forward for a middle of the pack PG coming of injury and is about to hit FA. That's just asking to get Jennings on a bad deal just because you trade for him. Young will have more value in due time.
To Knicks: Ty Lawson, Trevor Ariza, K.J. McDaniels, Terrance Jones, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell
To Houston Rockets: Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon, Sasha Vujacic, Cleanthony Early
To Knicks: Brandon Jennings (DET)
To Detroit Pistons: Markieff Morris (PHX), Ronnie Price (PHX)
To Phoenix Suns: Jose Calderon (NYK)
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To Knicks: Jamal Crawford (LAC), Michael Carter-Williams (MIL), Miles Plumlee (MIL)
To Milwaukee Bucks: Kyle O'Quinn (NYK), Jerian Grant (NYK)
To Minnesota Timberwolves: C.J. Wilcox (LAC), Branden Dawson (LAC), 2nd round draft pick (2019 from LAC)
To L.A. Clippers: Kevin Martin (MIN), Tayshaun Prince (MIN), Lou Amundson (NYK)
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That third one would be a steal. No idea why the other teams do it.
The Rockets idea is just bad and too many players involved to be realistic.
The Clippers have no reason to trade a productive bench player for 3 shit players for no reason.
Really question the basketball knowledge of whoever wrote that.
This was the downside risk of Monroe. That he'd be a 23 PER player and STILL not make them better. Though I havent watched them much -- I dont know whose fault the decline really is.
To Knicks: Ty Lawson, Trevor Ariza, K.J. McDaniels, Terrance Jones, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell
To Houston Rockets: Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon, Sasha Vujacic, Cleanthony Early
Eww, no. Vomit no. Eww eww eww.
To Detroit Pistons: Markieff Morris (PHX), Ronnie Price (PHX)
To Phoenix Suns: Jose Calderon (NYK)
Ok. Though I'd probably prefer Morris (who I could them pawn off for value. Dont know why the Suns do this.
To Knicks: Jamal Crawford (LAC), Michael Carter-Williams (MIL), Miles Plumlee (MIL)
To Milwaukee Bucks: Kyle O'Quinn (NYK), Jerian Grant (NYK)
To Minnesota Timberwolves: C.J. Wilcox (LAC), Branden Dawson (LAC), 2nd round draft pick (2019 from LAC)
To L.A. Clippers: Kevin Martin (MIN), Tayshaun Prince (MIN), Lou Amundson (NYK)
So KOQ and Grant for MCW + whatever we can flip Craw for. Talent-wise an upgrade, but MCW has one year of cost control left. If Phil likes him and wants to see him audition for a year here and maybe get an extension (or extend this offseason) I can live with that gamble. But Im not a big MCW fan, and I tend to like cheap cost controlled long term assets like Grant and KOQ are.
You'd trade Melo for Dekker? Didnt Dekker break his back or something?
This was the downside risk of Monroe. That he'd be a 23 PER player and STILL not make them better. Though I havent watched them much -- I dont know whose fault the decline really is.
The problem with Monroe is he's not a star and I think people expect him to be. He's not a good defensive player and as a center that gets magnified.
I don't think he's the main reason for the decline of the Bucks. It's more likely that they overachieved last year and they miss Brandon Knight, Zaza Pachulia, and even Ilyasova more than they thought they would.
Ha! Nice of you to drop by, Jon!
The last trade: I'm all for trading nothing for 3 solid enough rotation players of course. But that seems more like filling a word quota - so let's make it a 4 teamer. Not really sure why the other 3 would do it outside of very broad reasoning - MIN gets younger (if that's a 'good' thing with those assets), the Bucks just happy to clean house for nothing-ish (maybe...). A lot of iffy assumptions for us to get 3 of the best players in the deal, i'd think
The last trade: I'm all for trading nothing for 3 solid enough rotation players of course. But that seems more like filling a word quota - so let's make it a 4 teamer. Not really sure why the other 3 would do it outside of very broad reasoning - MIN gets younger (if that's a 'good' thing with those assets), the Bucks just happy to clean house for nothing-ish (maybe...). A lot of iffy assumptions for us to get 3 of the best players in the deal, i'd think
That article is just a lack of understanding of how trades work. When have you seen 4 team trades? The only reason there are 3 team trades is if it takes a third team to act as a clearinghouse for salary and usually get compensated in prospects or picks. A third team doesn't get involved simply to help one of the teams for nothing in return.
That article is just a lack of understanding of how trades work. When have you seen 4 team trades? The only reason there are 3 team trades is if it takes a third team to act as a clearinghouse for salary and usually get compensated in prospects or picks. A third team doesn't get involved simply to help one of the teams for nothing in return.
Makes up for it with an understanding of how clickbait works.
Either you despise him or you think the roster is so abhorrent that coaching doesn't matter.
This O suddenly over the last 5-10 looks bad, but tonight much like last yr's O. All Js, terrible shots, mostly iso, no ball movement. Just awful
Trade everyone outside of porzingis and yes that includes melo...
Either you despise him or you think the roster is so abhorrent that coaching doesn't matter.
What, process over playoffs? He's 100% right IMO. He'd be right if we were sitting in the 8 seed right now.
We're in a rebuild. I dont understand people who want us to go for it. Who think that the 8 seed gets us anywhere. Now if we get there because we played right and built systems for the future, it's better than not getting there. And I dont understand the gross overreaction to not having a pick this season.
IMO, Knicks are building. There are two paths to that build. One is a massive score in UFA -- Melo and the UFA lead us while young KP is the 3rd best player. Failing that, it's the KP centric rebuild, aiming to be title-competitive in probably 4-6 years. Turn Melo and ohters into assets. In either event, this season's RESULTS are pretty irrelevant. There will be significant roster turnover in either case. Getting KP and Grant and Gallow developed, and Rolo acculturated to the triangle are the goals of this season, plus restoring the reputation of the Knicks (which I think is accomplished -- we're not a joke anymore).
Honestly, I was critical early on because of the rotations. But I think he's doing a pretty decent job.
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Honestly, I was critical early on because of the rotations. But I think he's doing a pretty decent job.
A decent job? This guy can't keep a consistent rotation..
Do you see how bad this team has played lately?
Let the kid play and learn
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Honestly, I was critical early on because of the rotations. But I think he's doing a pretty decent job.
A decent job? This guy can't keep a consistent rotation..
Do you see how bad this team has played lately?
Yeah, I have. I just dont think we're that talented. And KP is hitting a wall. Coming into tonight we're on a 37 win pace. That's better than I thought we'd be by 2 games. KP has been that difference. Meaning IMO Fisher hasnt really fucked us. Do people think that a rando above average coach would have us on a 45 win pace?
I think guys are playing the right way. I think the chemistry is really good. Good atmosphere for growth. I just think that if KP has hit a wall, a team whose 2nd and 3rd best players are Afflalo and Rolo is a clear lottery team. So we've struggled of late.
Honestly, until further notice, In Phil I Trust. The Spurs guy will win exec of the year, but I think Phil should.
Should note Im not watching tonight. And I'd be a seller.
I've said Melo (or +) for Blake makes a ton of sense. Real writer have mentioned it, e.g. Lowe.
Teague for Calderon seems like fantasy to me. ATL can do a lot better. He has another year at 8 million and then affordable bird rights. And has proven he can start on a very successful team.
So anything drastic might simply reset the system. That's my slight worry with a guy like KD (tho I'll be damn happy!). Does a pickup like him end up a reset / more about top end talent than the system? If not trading everyone at once (specifically Melo)? Or of course changing the coach / system
So I'm happy w/ Fish's comment. We're early in a "culture reset" which has been very positive in a short time. A big jump from that would be classic NYK FO. That's the BIGGEST thing we got with Phil, a chance to stop the Dolan nonsense (even burning what Donnie was doing after everything). Gotta be patient
Ya was redic. He half dribbled it once and got a TO while Melo just about had 2 hands on it
Of course we're fighting back here, down 15 w/ 2 FTs coming...
And Vujacic is playing because he played well last game. If anything, Fisher has been consistent in giving players who did well one game the chance to continue to do so the next few games, regardless of who they are. And that makes sense.
People want to shit on Fisher. But this team was down 27 in the 2nd, and down 24 at the half. Early in the 4th, they have a chance to be down 6. I agree that tactically Fisher still has a bit to learn, but the fact that his team is still fighting is something that can't be overlooked, and his ability to motivate is harder to learn than the tactical things.
Need to hack-a-Drummond if we're going to just switch bigs onto a PG or speedy G or let them run the PnR so easy
I'll take it tho
Again...PLEASE FOUL DRUMMOND. Can't just let the Gs walk in / lob it over. Getting redic, only 2 min to do it
What a pass from AA
Always surprised when Grant gets NO minutes and KP's relatively conspicuous absence in the 2nd half. Wonder if he's still feeling it from the resp issue
I really don't care about the record at all.
If we are not winning, why not give Porzingis a bigger role in the offense, or let Grant grow on the job?
KP was pretty poor tonight and has had a rough streak since his resperatory infection. It is a long season. With no draft pick you dont sacrifice a chance to win because you want to develop a player. KP gets plenty of minutes.
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KP was pretty poor tonight and has had a rough streak since his resperatory infection. It is a long season. With no draft pick you dont sacrifice a chance to win because you want to develop a player. KP gets plenty of minutes.
So let me get this straight-playing Thomas in the 4th quarter is a better option to try to win games than Porzingus? Please
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.
Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd
Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.
Watched the whole thing and missed when Rolo dropped 26 on 11-14 w/ 16 rebs
43 min seems like too many for AA in a game like this. And DWill only 6 w/ KPs lesser usage. W/ JC getting 13 min & SV 11, we basically played a 7.5 man rotation if you will. I agree Grant hasn't been great but would have given him / DWill more mins for that reason alone. Not that this would W the game but as the 1st of a b2b
I certainly Q some of Fish's moves but I'm not out for the guy's head. A 2nd yr HC with basically no more than mediocre talent at best, yet things have moved forward fast for us since last yr
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.
Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd
Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.
I don't care if melo is 1 for 20 he is still the guy on this team I want taking late game shots, there is no one on this team that should get those shots over him...
The PG play on this team is terrible despite having a former PG as the coach, albeit not a traditional one.
Thomas is a "glue guy" for a sub .500 team, I don't know how valuable that is. He did nothing in the 4th quarter, took 2 bad shots, let Tolliver have an open 3 (I know, I know, last time he hit a 3 was a Creighton), but had good +/- because his minutes always overlap with Gallo's.
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In comment 12801647 NJGiantFan84 said:
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Wish that when players like Melo and Afflalo are having awful shooting nights, they would not insist on throwing up shots at the end. Melo is 4-18. There is no reason to launch a contested three with fifteen seconds on the shot clock. And Afflalo had a game when he was 5-20 and took the last three shots.
Afflalo got hot and carried the offense in the 3rd
Tonight, I was talking about Melo. The reference to AA was to an earlier game. Point is that when you have an awful shooting percentage you shouldnt be launching up contested shots when the game is on the line.
I don't care if melo is 1 for 20 he is still the guy on this team I want taking late game shots, there is no one on this team that should get those shots over him...
I agree on the last shot. Not on a contested three with 2:30 left and 15 seconds on the shot clock. We never recovered from that miss.
Right now melo has to do that and it is wearing him down...
Everyone hates him but in that 54 win team down the stretch if Gamez it was pick and pop felgon and melo...chandler the weak side guy, Jr and Kidd or prigioni or shumpert as the 3 point spread the floor guys
This I think is a big thing in sports that we fans often overlook. The coaches know who drinks. Who is dragging ass in warmups. Who is gasping for air 4 minutes into the game. Who just seems distracted. The human side of player substitutions is big.
The rookie wall gets everyone.
- KP still @ rookie wall
- Rolo played pretty awesome
- Calderon was horrendous
- Melo tried but couldn't be the hero
- Galloway was good off the bench
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Or give him quality minutes where plays are called for him. Now it's either put-back slams or contested three's. Or running around on the perimeter just so Calderon can ignore him.
I'm not saying abuse him until he melts away, just use him more wisely. Same with Grant.
Or give him quality minutes where plays are called for him. Now it's either put-back slams or contested three's. Or running around on the perimeter just so Calderon can ignore him.
I'm not saying abuse him until he melts away, just use him more wisely. Same with Grant.
He normally does play down the stretch, but he isnt entitled to. I want a coach that lets him know he has to earn those minutes. He had four rebounds tonight in 24 minutes, five points and played mediocre Defense. He looked gassed and RoLo was great tonight. I love him but the team looked better tonight when he was out. Doesnt mean it wont be different next time, but he had no business being in the game down the stretch tonight.