bring prince back as free safety?

No

But Prince doesn't sound like he wants to come back, not sure he would want to play FS, and he hasn't been healthy an entire season

In comment 12800345 Beer Man said:

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But Prince doesn't sound like he wants to come back, not sure he would want to play FS, and he hasn't been healthy an entire season

This. He probably could be effective as a free safety, but he apparently is looking to get paid as a top CB. Adios.

he's worth more than the Giants are willing to pay. He sounded more resolved about not being here than not wanting to be here.

Honestly, I like Prince - I think he's underrated at CB. He's been injured a lot though, and if the market dictates he makes a lot more than he's already received here (on the books for $7M last year), then it's time to move on. I don't think a position change would improve matters.

CB is a premium position, why would he market himself as anything else? I'm sure he can play that role but he'd be an idiot vocalizing anything pertaining to playing safety.

who y'all planning on replacing him with???

Not happening. Another team will pay Prince to play CB.

I'd do it with Thurmond, though.

The move to FS is something we're speculating here - what the Giants brass thinks of him, I have no idea.

I don't think I've ever heard anything about contract extension discussions with Prince. We did hear the same with JPP (although he was looking at a different tier than the Giants were interested in, hence the franchise tag).

Could be they just think it's time to move on. Unless there's a good plan B, can't say I agree with them.

In comment 12800397 jcn56 said:

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The move to FS is something we're speculating here - what the Giants brass thinks of him, I have no idea. I don't think I've ever heard anything about contract extension discussions with Prince. We did hear the same with JPP (although he was looking at a different tier than the Giants were interested in, hence the franchise tag). Could be they just think it's time to move on. Unless there's a good plan B, can't say I agree with them.

You mean like the plan B with the Safeties ???

The Giants have to resign Prince -- no-one else is letting go of a starting CB

said they had an inside source which said that Reese had no intention of resigning Prince. Not sure what that's worth, but I wouldn't be surprised. In any event, I doubt Prince wants to play safety. Why would he? Many teams will pay him to play CB.

but I doubt anyone overpays for him, unless its a team that can not only financially afford him, but also has both a good enough back up in case he gets injured as well as a good enough front 7 to make plays not last very long. Prince gets beat deep quite often on stop and goes, and also loses his man easily if the QB has to scramble.

period. move on. he's good, not great.

but unlike FS there will be more options at CB available in FA (damn acronyms).

I have a feeling there's a fit/psych issue with Prince. That's just a gut feeling, not going based on anything I know or heard. From reading his draft profiles and pre-draft rumors, people were complaining that he was mentally soft (and made some sort of stereotype on those lines for other African born players). I wonder if they just feel he's not mentally up to being the top dog.

he's a potentially very good CB, don't overthink it.

He likely wants out based on an interview he did last week. Yes $$ is the bottom line, but he cited consistent winning as something he is looking for. He (and JPP) are unfortunately part of the losing culture that exists here and it is probably for the best that he and the NYG part ways.

how many people want to let a starting-caliber cornerback walk and open up yet another hole that needs to be filled on the defense.

Does it help you if he is sitting games at safety instead of CB? I thought he graded out pretty good at CB, when he played...

Clearly, if he can get #1 corner money, it's a non-starter. If not, he might actually be worth more as a top safety than as a #2 CB. The problem here is that the Giants only have one legit NFL corner under contract. If they spend the money to retain Amukamara, it will be to play cornerback. While it's conceivable that his ceiling at safety might be higher, in the near term the Giants have nobody to replace him.

The Giants seem to like safeties with CB characteristics. Rolle was the big one, and Merritt has continued to tinker with young 'tweeners like Jackson and Thompson under Spagnuolo. Amukamara has the tools, so it's not a crazy idea. I just don't see a way it can happen.

is underrated on this board. DRC gets more attention, but Prince does his job well.

I don't think he deserves to be paid like a top 5 CB, but he will be missed if someone else disagrees with me.

We really dont have any other CBs on the roster besides DRC so adding 3-4 in the offseason and expecting them to be better than Prince is asking a lot. If we already had a replacement on the roster it would be OK but we dont even have a #3 or #4 at this point. I think keeping him should be a priority.

The cap space we have is very misleading. We have to sign 2 starting caliber DEs. They will not be cheap. We need a #2 & #3 CB which wont be cheap either. That cap space will go very fast because we dont have any stars on D to build around. We need to sign above average guys or great players and that is going to cost $$.

Prince is one of the few injured players I would resign. He is a good player in his prime, you cant let him walk out the door and get nothing, that will set us back. Him and JPP are key for us to have a chance on D next season. I think we let Linval Joeseph walk on the cheap. Imagine if we had him and Hankins right now. It would have improved our mediocre DEs and improved the D overall. The contract he signed was not unreasonable.

Either way we are going to have to pay big for at least 1 CB. We are going to have to pay for 2 DEs one of which has to be a star, an above average MLB and a good safety. May as well keep the guys that are still young and can play.

if anything, he was frustrated playing in zones and might be happier playing in a higher % or pure man cover with the addition of two free agent free safeties making his life easier.

Dwight Lowery and one other.

who ranks in 10-20 range will get paid in the free agency and then offer Prince 70% of that since he is going to miss 30% of the games.. The low talent level on this team begs us to not let another decent player go but Prince is not worth the price of an average starting CB since he is definitely going to miss 4-8 games a year..

In comment 12800617 chuckydee9 said:

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who ranks in 10-20 range will get paid in the free agency and then offer Prince 70% of that since he is going to miss 30% of the games.. The low talent level on this team begs us to not let another decent player go but Prince is not worth the price of an average starting CB since he is definitely going to miss 4-8 games a year..

Figure Out not our

who doesn't like contact to play FS now? Great idea.

In comment 12800626 B in ALB said:

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who doesn't like contact to play FS now? Great idea.

Huh?

This is honestly the first time I've ever heard someone claim he doesn't like contact. He's probably one of the better run-support corners in the league.

played less physical football last season than in years past. Business decisions galore. It was obvious if you watched the guy. No big deal to me - he was oft-injured and going into a money year. He did what he had to do. In years prior he was much more physical against the bigger receivers and consistently stuck his hat in there during running plays. Last season not so much. Pass.

and thats not always true. Some players can.. some cant.. a Free Safety has to cover A LOT of field. Is Prince that kind of player? Does he know how to read the the offense from the safety position where he is seeing more and has to react to more things happening?

Safeties tend to be the QB of the secondary.. Getting everyone into position and lining them up right.. Remember James Butler.. it was said that Butler was exceptionally good at getting the secondary into the correct position..

Is Prince adept at that..

I would say probably not..

Doubt we get anyone as good as him in FA for either position. He likes to hit and has all the other tools to play that position well. Save us from going DB at #10 as well. Because if he leaves there is a good chance we do just that. We let Linval Joseph go and used a third round pick on Bromley, how is that working out ?

will be off the board by the time #10 comes around and there's no way they're drafting Alexander in that spot.

So, NO they're probably NOT going to draft a CB. Come on now.

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he's a potentially very good CB, don't overthink it.

JonC, if after 5 years we are still talking about potential, what does it say about the player?

That is not to say he should or should not be resigned. But if a team after 5 years hasn't come to a conclusion on what he is, that is problematic.

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will be off the board by the time #10 comes around and there's no way they're drafting Alexander in that spot. So, NO they're probably NOT going to draft a CB. Come on now.

JR and the Giants value DBs very highly especially if we leave a hole there by not keeping Prince. Rather avoid that scenario. Since we need a stud on the DL badly.

In comment 12800664 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 12800432 JonC said: Quote: he's a potentially very good CB, don't overthink it. JonC, if after 5 years we are still talking about potential, what does it say about the player? That is not to say he should or should not be resigned. But if a team after 5 years hasn't come to a conclusion on what he is, that is problematic.

He's only 26. There's plenty of room to grow there. What we've seen is that he's pretty good, and I would bet there are going to be more than a few users unhappy with the quality of player that follows when he does leave.

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In comment 12800662 B in ALB said: Quote: will be off the board by the time #10 comes around and there's no way they're drafting Alexander in that spot. So, NO they're probably NOT going to draft a CB. Come on now. JR and the Giants value DBs very highly especially if we leave a hole there by not keeping Prince. Rather avoid that scenario. Since we need a stud on the DL badly.

A CB won't be in the BPA ballpark - probably not even close. So no they won't draft a CB.

In comment 12800664 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 12800432 JonC said: Quote: he's a potentially very good CB, don't overthink it. JonC, if after 5 years we are still talking about potential, what does it say about the player? That is not to say he should or should not be resigned. But if a team after 5 years hasn't come to a conclusion on what he is, that is problematic.

At times he's already been a very CB, especially in 2014. Let's not look past that. He had issues last season with injuries and business decisions due to his pending UFA status, which could beg other questions.

Who is injured 40% of the time?

because I think that Prince is a pretty good CB

- He's a priority - has to come back, even if we overpay.

- He's a solid but oft injured player who's a risk - we'll take him back at our price, but that's probably significantly (20-30%) below top CB market.

- Pass at any price.

IMO, I'd be on option 2 here, but reading between the lines from the time they signed his option to Prince's statements after the season, he's expecting the Giants to look elsewhere for CB help.

Prince and DRC on the corners are the least of our defensive problems. I'd sign the guy and move on.

He probably will test the market to find that out but I would think the Giants will offer him about what everyone else will. Now, that doesn't mean he'll resign here but I think the Giants will make a strong effort to keep him.

In comment 12800626 B in ALB said:

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who doesn't like contact to play FS now? Great idea.

My thought exactly.

BBI ignorance thread. Facile opinions piled one upon the other.

Players failing to stay healthy have been a major weakness with this team.

I'd let him go and start fresh...maybe Josh Robinson?

I agree with u.. prince could not stay on field..we have to rid ourselves of that...reese has to start looking at players that stay on field instead of projects that could be....maybes....he has to show us....round 3 4 5 and 6 picks....u or I could pick 1 or 2

is an average corner who gives big cushions and gives up big plays at the worst time. He's not a saftey.Let him go.

will likely give you half a season if you so want . Just imagine once he gets his big payday what his injury prone body will be like come game time.

for Safeties who are UFA

Rank 3 Earl Thomas KCC
Rank 10 Reggie Nelson Cin
Rank 11 Rodney McLeod STL
Rank 16 George Iioka Cin
Rank 20 husain Abdulah KCC
Rank 21 Abdul Quddus DET
Rank 26 Walter Thurman Phi
R33 Eric Weddle SDC

Cornerbacks UFA
R11 Sean Smith KCC
R15 Adam Pacman Jones CIN
R16 Casey Howard
R19 Trumaine Johnson STL
R26 Janoris Jenkins STL
R30 Patrick Robinson SDC
R32 Prince Amukamara NYG
R33 Leon Hall CIn
R38 Brandon Boykin Phi
R39 Terrance Newman Min

DRC ranked 16th

...hard to do that when you're out of the lineup or playing hurt for 40% of your starts since your rookie season.

In comment 12800345 Beer Man said:

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But Prince doesn't sound like he wants to come back, not sure he would want to play FS, and he hasn't been healthy an entire season

Fact check: Prince played in all 16 games in 2013 and was 2nd in solo tackles with 76 to Rolle's 80.

It's fun to look at the defensive roster of the 2013 defense, which ranked 8th in total yardage, and then compare to the 2015 roster, which ranked 32nd. Look at the players we didn't keep: Rolle, Hill, Tuck, Joseph and even Kiwi, whose six sacks in 2013 have him not looking so bad compared with what we have now.

Sad that Beason and TT lost to injuries. Conor Orr wrote about TT:

"Above all else, Terrell Thomas should be remembered for his 2013 season. After coming back from his third ACL tear, the Giants cornerback completed a full 16-game season, highlighted by a pick and 58 tackles out of the slot position."

And now it looks like Prince and JPP will be gone as well. First round draft picks and at least above average players entering their prime. These are the players who are supposed to be the anchors of your team. Like most of the others, will be replaced by players no other team wants.

Got such enjoyment out of the Giants during an otherwise difficult period, and it all fell apart so fast.

to add two guys like Jenkins and Boykin. That would be ideal IMO.

But if we do re-sign him, I don't see any reason to move him. It's true we desperately need a free safety, but it's not like we have a surplus of cornerbacks either.