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NFT: Rangers vs. Wild, 7pm ET

NYerInMA : 2/4/2016 10:14 am
Rangers coming off a "huh?" loss to the Devils, while the Wild have lost eight of their last nine games. Megna was called up yesterday, Nash is still out, and McIlrath will presumably make his return in Klein's place.
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Skate updates  
jv : 2/4/2016 10:50 am : link
Klein is on ice and apparently stick handling so that's impressive. Doubt he plays since they said he's out indefinitely.

Sather is in the stands watching with Gorton and AV which is not a daily occurance per Zipay. Maybe a trade brewing?
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 11:15 am : link
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Power plays: Yandle-Brassard-Zucc-Stepan-Kreider. 2nd unit: McD-Boyle-Megna-Miller-Hayes #NYR
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 11:16 am : link
Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN 12m12 minutes ago
McIlrath is definitely playing #NYR
well, it only took four months and the season circling the bowl  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 11:17 am : link
for Yandle to get on the PP1.
Sounds like Megna is in for Glass  
NYerInMA : 2/4/2016 11:18 am : link
Which is great, but I think Paille is even worse than Glass at this point.
Eureka!  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:19 am : link
Yandle on the PP1.

I'll be at the game tonight. Looking very much forward to that basket of chicken tenders and that killer honey mustard.
Megna on PP2  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 11:20 am : link
of course he is. JFC.
RE: Megna on PP2  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:21 am : link
In comment 12800547 MetsAreBack said:
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of course he is. JFC.


Just noticed that and trying to think who else they could put there?

Fast? I must be missing someone..
Nevermind, it's because Nash is still out.  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:22 am : link
Still, I would prefer Fast over Megna.
They could put  
jv : 2/4/2016 11:23 am : link
Lindberg on that PP over Megna.. WTF
Lindberg  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 11:27 am : link

he has better PP metrics this year than Hayes Kreider and Miller. But its more about believing Megna absolutely sucks at hockey and has no business being called up over better Hartford players than anything else.

As bad a year as Nash has had, his loss really hurts. We are thin up front -- in large part because for some reason they felt the need to dump Etem for peanuts.
by the way who is in net tonight?  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 11:29 am : link
i think Lundqvist needs a game to take everything in. We have to get him right or we wont make the playoffs. His performance Tuesday was unacceptable.
Raanta  
jv : 2/4/2016 11:33 am : link
was still on the ice so it looks like Henrik is back in again. I could see Raanta playing Saturday afternoon.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 11:34 am : link
Philly's seven points back with two games in hand. Them winning those two and beating us would theoretically have them one point behind. I think Lundqvist should play Saturday.
At this point  
NYerInMA : 2/4/2016 11:35 am : link
I think Henrik plays pretty much every game. AV's going to lean on him to try to save the season, but he's just going to burn Henrik out for the playoffs.
Lindberg.  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:37 am : link
That's who I was forgetting, and yes, he should be in there over Megna. Seems like an obvious move as well..
oh for crying out loud  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 11:37 am : link
I didn't even notice Megna on there. Ridiculous.
i believe 19 of our final 29 after the NJ game monday  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 11:40 am : link
are against playoff teams. So this team might want to wake the fuck up and take the next 3.
Given the options  
Deej : 2/4/2016 11:44 am : link
I'd try McIlrath out there on the PP1 with Yandle as a big shot, moving over one of those to PP2. Yandle is very, very skilled at setting up the one-timer on the PP.
Speaking of Lindberg, what are your opinions on him thus far?  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:45 am : link
Obviously the pace in which he was scoring earlier in the year was going to slow down, but I think he's going to be a real nice player for us.

This is in part of why I'm confused as to what the plan is for this team going forward. I know that some think that the window may be closing for a cup, especially with how they've played this season, but I think given the number of young players we have, the window could theoretically open back up pretty quickly.

Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, Fast, Miller, Hayes (if he's still on the team), Buchnevich, Graves, Skjei, McIlrath and some others are a pretty good group going forward. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Nash. That could be the decision that shapes this team for the next 5 years.

It seems like we're putting all of our goal scoring eggs in Buchnevich's basket though. He cannot be a bust.
RE: Given the options  
Rob in Rockaway : 2/4/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 12800605 Deej said:
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I'd try McIlrath out there on the PP1 with Yandle as a big shot, moving over one of those to PP2. Yandle is very, very skilled at setting up the one-timer on the PP.


Agree with this. McIlrath has shown to have a pretty hard and accurate shot from the point.
RE: Speaking of Lindberg, what are your opinions on him thus far?  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 12800607 Giants in 07 said:
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Obviously the pace in which he was scoring earlier in the year was going to slow down, but I think he's going to be a real nice player for us.

This is in part of why I'm confused as to what the plan is for this team going forward. I know that some think that the window may be closing for a cup, especially with how they've played this season, but I think given the number of young players we have, the window could theoretically open back up pretty quickly.

Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, Fast, Miller, Hayes (if he's still on the team), Buchnevich, Graves, Skjei, McIlrath and some others are a pretty good group going forward. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Nash. That could be the decision that shapes this team for the next 5 years.

It seems like we're putting all of our goal scoring eggs in Buchnevich's basket though. He cannot be a bust.



I frankly think its a group of young players that keeps us competitive, but a core young group that 25 teams in the league could claim to have (or better) right now. There is no elite talent in that group as the Islanders, Penguins and Capitals currently have.

Also many of those players will get expensive and who knows if we have more cap casualties like Hagelin. Such bullshit that elite players like Crosby, Ovechkin and Tavares are so underpaid relative to their skillsets. Pittsburgh has made a metric ton of mistakes in recent years but it doesnt matter because their elite players are playing for so cheap.

Aside from bringing in a Stamkos type player to give that core young group a realistic shot at a Cup... I'd feel a lot better about our future if so much of the cap wasnt tied up into Staal and Girardi. HAVE TO get rid of one or both of those guys somehow.
RE: RE: Speaking of Lindberg, what are your opinions on him thus far?  
Giants in 07 : 2/4/2016 11:56 am : link
In comment 12800627 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12800607 Giants in 07 said:


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Obviously the pace in which he was scoring earlier in the year was going to slow down, but I think he's going to be a real nice player for us.

This is in part of why I'm confused as to what the plan is for this team going forward. I know that some think that the window may be closing for a cup, especially with how they've played this season, but I think given the number of young players we have, the window could theoretically open back up pretty quickly.

Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, Fast, Miller, Hayes (if he's still on the team), Buchnevich, Graves, Skjei, McIlrath and some others are a pretty good group going forward. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Nash. That could be the decision that shapes this team for the next 5 years.

It seems like we're putting all of our goal scoring eggs in Buchnevich's basket though. He cannot be a bust.




I frankly think its a group of young players that keeps us competitive, but a core young group that 25 teams in the league could claim to have (or better) right now. There is no elite talent in that group as the Islanders, Penguins and Capitals currently have.

Also many of those players will get expensive and who knows if we have more cap casualties like Hagelin. Such bullshit that elite players like Crosby, Ovechkin and Tavares are so underpaid relative to their skillsets. Pittsburgh has made a metric ton of mistakes in recent years but it doesnt matter because their elite players are playing for so cheap.

Aside from bringing in a Stamkos type player to give that core young group a realistic shot at a Cup... I'd feel a lot better about our future if so much of the cap wasnt tied up into Staal and Girardi. HAVE TO get rid of one or both of those guys somehow.


Amazing how it always comes down to those contracts.. and to give NMC's to both when the contracts themselves are in essence NMC's in the first place. Baffling.
Am I missing something?  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 12:01 pm : link
Who is the elite young talent on the Penguins? Or were you just talking about elite talent overall?
I noticed  
NYerInMA : 2/4/2016 12:01 pm : link
That AV referred to Gorton and Slats as his "bosses". Further evidence that Slats still has a big hand in some of these mind-boggling decisions.
RE: Am I missing something?  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12800641 Greg from LI said:
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Who is the elite young talent on the Penguins? Or were you just talking about elite talent overall?


Elite talent overall. Crosby and Malkin still have 3-5 prime years left. But they are built to win now too. I still sit here stunned that with all their top heavy contracts they could still afford to bring in Hagelin. But their Defense will soon be up for raises so yeah, chances are they have to deal a Malkin at some point.

CBJ will soon likely have Austin Matthews too, Carolina continues to stockpile lottery picks... its not that our young players are bad or anything ... its just that other organizations have been building good young depth for years. Natural cyclicality of things -- only Detroit seems to know how to avoid that circle of life, and i personally dont even agree with their strategy. I think they're kicking the can down the road.
RE: I noticed  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12800642 NYerInMA said:
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That AV referred to Gorton and Slats as his "bosses". Further evidence that Slats still has a big hand in some of these mind-boggling decisions.



Gorton must really love this whole set-up. A veteran coach that does things his own way and Sather still meddling in any remotely important decision (usually on gut feel).
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 12:13 pm : link
I'm a big Nash fan, but I'd look to trade him regardless of what happens this post-season. I doubt we'll get a great return - maybe a first rounder and/or a prospect - but I'd like that space. I'd also look to move both G/Staal. Even moving one of them could create enough maneuverability to go after superior talent.

I'd make these moves with an eye on gunning for Stamkos if he hits FA. The guy's 26 years old this month and is a truly elite talent.
fully agree Brett  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:16 pm : link
although obtaining Stamkos will not be easy by any stretch.

Given Yandle's mis-use here i do think i'd rather have Shattenkirk than retaining KY anyway. We have Skjei to fill a LD slot next year anyway, and Shattenkirk is i believe 2 or 3 years younger. He's the offensive RD we'll need next year with Boyle leaving.

Would make trading G absolutely imperative.
I'd feel a lot better about next year with opening day:  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:18 pm : link
McDonaugh-Klein
Shattenkirk-Skjei
McIlraith-Staal

...and Nash swapped for a younger equally talented player up front
AV said Megna  
NYerInMA : 2/4/2016 12:18 pm : link
is in over Glass because the Wild are a "fast team". He may as well have said that Glass is out because the Wild "play hockey".
If I was a Pens fan  
Deej : 2/4/2016 12:19 pm : link
I'd be pretty furious looking at the arguable best player of his generation plus another MVP player in Geno may end up as a one-cup team.

That team only turning Mario-Jagr and Sid-Geno into 3 cups is epic fail, IMO.
Chapter not closed on them yet though deej  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:20 pm : link
they've looked pretty damn good in recent weeks. I actually think Pens-Caps would be a really fun playoff series to watch.. i just hope we're playing at the same time too so i can watch without being utterly pissed off.
I agree.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 12:22 pm : link
I like Yandle a ton - but would prefer Shattenkirk. Yandle will be 30 this year and Shattenkirk just turned 27. I think teams should just assume non-elite dmen are cooked at 30-32 from now on, and it's more likely we'd get better tail end years from Shattenkirk than Yandle.
no idea what we have to offer STL for Shattenkirk though  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:26 pm : link
and we'd need him next year, couldnt afford to wait until 2017. Offer them Yandle for KS right now i guess, but StL would understandably want more given the extra cost controlled year for their guy.
they're on a four game winning streak  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 12:29 pm : link
in which they've beaten Ottawa, NJ, Vancouver and Philly. Not exactly a murderer's row. In the ten games prior to that, they went 4-2-4. Wouldn't call that "pretty damned good".
considering we are 4-6 against those teams this year  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 12:33 pm : link
and 1-4 against NJ and Philly, i wont caste stones personally.

I'm going to see them down here on Saturday - might have to buy a Panthers jersey for that one. My hatred for Pittsburgh runs deep.
RE: I agree.  
Deej : 2/4/2016 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12800694 BrettNYG10 said:
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I like Yandle a ton - but would prefer Shattenkirk. Yandle will be 30 this year and Shattenkirk just turned 27. I think teams should just assume non-elite dmen are cooked at 30-32 from now on, and it's more likely we'd get better tail end years from Shattenkirk than Yandle.


I always felt like dmen, even non-elites, tended to age well. Are you drawing this conclusion just from our two guys, or a broader sample. Maybe Staal and DG are outliers. Maybe the conclusion should be that playing hundreds of games in Torts' system as a D shortens careers.
"better than the Rangers" =/= "pretty damned good"  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 12:47 pm : link
They were all one goal games btw.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 12:57 pm : link
More anecdotal than fact-based - the average age of defensemen that have played 10+ games is <27 years old. I think shot-blocking defensemen are bound to have shorter shelf-lives - look at Andy McDonald with the Flyers. He's 29 and got sent down to the AHL after getting a big deal. And then we've had Wade Redden who came here at 31 but was in decline well beforehand.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 1:02 pm : link
I guess I have a bigger issue with the way dollars are allocated. The peak production of a player and the peak dollars allocated to them seldom match. You're usually top-ticking guys given the way FA is set-up.
Yeah  
Deej : 2/4/2016 1:07 pm : link
I think there needs to be more recognition that most guys peak at like 24-25.

Also, there should have been more recognition that Andy McDonald was a bad defenseman. He was a bad defenseman on Long Island. The excuse was always that he was forced to play too many minutes and check top lines, and that he'd do better as a 2nd pair guy. But it was an excuse.
Good thing the Rangers don't have anyone like that.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 1:17 pm : link
I guess that's my larger point - guys peak at 24-27. The Alfredsson's of the world are pretty rare and teams should allocate resources as such.

We've had a ton of guys like that upfront- Richards, Drury, Gomez. Outside of Gomez, I've never heard anyone question their work ethic. They just declined.
RE: ...  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12800769 BrettNYG10 said:
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More anecdotal than fact-based



Translation: Brett talking out his ass yet again.

by the way, noticed Arc joins in on Mets threads these days but done with the Rangers. Cap casualty or does he just hate Brett and deej?
Usually hating Deej  
Deej : 2/4/2016 3:02 pm : link
is enough to keep people away. Dont let Brett steal my thunder.
Although you post on Mets threads deej  
MetsAreBack : 2/4/2016 3:04 pm : link
so you're probably ok. Really just leaves Brett and anak. And I guess pjcas though he's less talkative about his Habs lately, wonder why.
RE: Yeah  
pganut : 2/4/2016 3:09 pm : link
In comment 12800788 Deej said:
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I think there needs to be more recognition that most guys peak at like 24-25.

Also, there should have been more recognition that Andy McDonald was a bad defenseman. He was a bad defenseman on Long Island. The excuse was always that he was forced to play too many minutes and check top lines, and that he'd do better as a 2nd pair guy. But it was an excuse.
Out of curiosity, did any Isles fans you know ever offer an excuse for AMac? I'd find that strange, since most of us (seemingly) knew he was not particularly good. He was another of Cappy's favorites (for some ungodly reason), and as well light years better than some of the other dreck we trotted out there (Staios, Jurcina, Eaton, Hillen, Mottau...I could go on). But that's kinda like being the world's tallest midget.
I have to side with pga here  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2016 3:16 pm : link
As I remember, McDonald was widely disliked by Islander fans.
RE: RE: ...  
BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2016 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12800982 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12800769 BrettNYG10 said:


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More anecdotal than fact-based




Translation: Brett talking out his ass yet again.

by the way, noticed Arc joins in on Mets threads these days but done with the Rangers. Cap casualty or does he just hate Brett and deej?


He got old and decided to like boring 'sports' like baseball.
RE: RE: Yeah  
Deej : 2/4/2016 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12801010 pganut said:
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Out of curiosity, did any Isles fans you know ever offer an excuse for AMac? I'd find that strange, since most of us (seemingly) knew he was not particularly good. He was another of Cappy's favorites (for some ungodly reason), and as well light years better than some of the other dreck we trotted out there (Staios, Jurcina, Eaton, Hillen, Mottau...I could go on). But that's kinda like being the world's tallest midget.


No. Isles fans knew. Isles fans could not believe the contract Philly gave him. Im talking media commentators.

Also, so there is no confusion, I dont tend to cavort with Islanders fans. Im a family man.
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