So with Tom Coughlin gone and Reese perhaps sitting

seat so he has to.....im more concerned about our scouting.

seem better then the few before that. Still early, but it seems like they have been improving. Plus with the current state of the roster, it would be tough to draft any position that wouldn't be an improvement.

some years we go after high priced free agents, some years we go the bargain route.

Some years we draft team captains with proven production, some years we focus more on athletic ability and potential.

And even those themes are very muddied from player to player.

So in short I doubt there will be a noticeable pattern that you can legitimately point your finger at and say "I see what you are doing here"

not sure how this will come off, but I hope we put a little more emphasis on talent and less on team captain-esque qualities.

pipeline.

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In comment 12800574 wgenesis123 said:

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Luck certainly plays a role but it's not the most important thing, IMO.

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certainly seem like change.

do well this offseason. Wildly swinging for the fences wouldn't be the right thing to do.

we were all assured that the senile old man was the problem and that these bright, fresh faces and outstanding GM will unleash this playoff team.

Nothing has changed in the player personnel area so that obviously was not the problem.

will the philosophy of waiting until all the free agents have been signed to see whether there are free agents around that we can get cheap change?

will we continue to draft outstanding athletes who need to be coached up or college players who dropped due to injuries in the hopes of catching lightening in a bottle?

have the scouts changed?

has the evaluation process changed?

is the co-owner still approving or disapproving draft picks?

In comment 12800604 HomerJones45 said:

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Nothing has changed in the player personnel area so that obviously was not the problem. have the scouts changed?

teams don't usually fire scouts and other personnel people till after the draft

I don't want the GM making decisions based solely on winning in 2016. The scope of his job is larger than that.

If reese were to start swinging wildly for the fences I would be worried. That kind of departure from his conservative nature is unlikely and I would think ill advised.

so his drafting will fit better with McAdoo's offensive orientation than it did with Coughlin's.


Of course, this year defense is the big need. Reese has never drafted a really good LB imo. Kennard and Williams were decent value picks late in the draft but in 8 years his LB picks have all largely been busts: DeOssie, Kehl, Sintim, Dillard, Goff (he was OK but nothing special). So that has to be a worry.

In comment 12800622 wgenesis123 said:

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If reese were to start swinging wildly for the fences I would be worried. That kind of departure from his conservative nature is unlikely and I would think ill advised.

Not that much of a departure - see Adrian Robinson

Any move that me makes this year that looks like he is doing something different, I'm willing to bet they made a similar type of move in the past.

After 10 years drafting nearly 100 players and signing a bunch of FAs it going to be hard to come up with an example of "wow, he has never done that before" (possible exception of a first round LB)

to try and figure out why the Giants pass on certain guys that others drafted and became successful. Is there something they can do in the review process or selection process that will help them get better talent, especially in the later rounds.

For example, why did Reese REACH SO BADLY for Bromley??? He was obviously picking for need, but way too early on Bromley. He needs to thoroughly evaluate the process and see how he could do things differently to improve it.

but fewer bargain "boom or bust" or "diamonds in the rough" selections especially in the mid rounds. Bradshaw turned out well but that success may have gone to his head. This year focus on the floor and not the ceiling.

Also trading a 4th round pick to Oakland for a Randy Moss type player. Taking a Jordan Reed type player in round three. Getting on the phone and finding a buyer for Nassib, if Reese was right about Nassib than there is a buyer out there somewhere.

In comment 12800663 ZogZerg said:

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to try and figure out why the Giants pass on certain guys that others drafted and became successful. Is there something they can do in the review process or selection process that will help them get better talent, especially in the later rounds. For example, why did Reese REACH SO BADLY for Bromley??? He was obviously picking for need, but way too early on Bromley. He needs to thoroughly evaluate the process and see how he could do things differently to improve it.

ditto Mykkele Thompson who most people didn't even rate as draft worthy

In comment 12800696 wgenesis123 said:

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Also trading a 4th round pick to Oakland for a Randy Moss type player. Taking a Jordan Reed type player in round three. Getting on the phone and finding a buyer for Nassib, if Reese was right about Nassib than there is a buyer out there somewhere.

then who would be our back up?

Reese is waiting for it to come to him. Thats only an impression, not exactly fact but to see him be more involved in making things happen would be change.

The guy has played well for a 3rd round DT, but he's considered a reach, why? Because draft publications say he should have gone later?

Here's a couple of things to mull over:

- those draft guides tend to give Reese very high marks right off the bat

- those same draft guides are WAAAAY off when it comes to where they think players will go. They're usually effective for the first half-3/4 of the 1st round, and then they go off the rails.

Pretty simple - each team has a different draft methodology and different needs, so the order ends up completely random, not the way these guides expect it to go at all.

Nassib is going into the last year of his contract, he will most likely leave and the Giants will have nothing. There are always veterans who can keep Eli company in meetings and hold a clipboard. The time is now approaching to get value on Nassib or lose him.

The Giants would have to sign a vet if he does, why not just sign Nassib? Its not like he is going to command top dollar either way and being a NFL back up is not a bad gig

He has played OK for 3rd round pick, well for a 6th round pick. He was clearly a reach by just about every rankings out there. I don't recall anyone giving Reese Kudos for that pick at that spot.

Not sure why people find it so hard to except he reached to fill a need there, which we still have. So Reese needs to figure things better in the future.

In comment 12800747 ron mexico said:

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The Giants would have to sign a vet if he does, why not just sign Nassib? Its not like he is going to command top dollar either way and being a NFL back up is not a bad gig

Perhaps Nassib himself wants to actually have a chance to play in an NFL game before he retires.

Might not be a bad play. They should see what they could get. Supposedly teams have been offering up 3rds or better for Glennon. If a team believed in Nassib and you could snag an extra 3rd, why not? You sign a cheap vet and/or grab a late round QB. Especially if Eli is really planning to go 'til 40.

If they believe in Nassib as a QB of the future, maybe not, but otherwise, I don't see the harm in exploring.

Especially when there has been past success. Pass rush and receivers.

In comment 12800560 Scyber said:

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seem better then the few before that. Still early, but it seems like they have been improving. Plus with the current state of the roster, it would be tough to draft any position that wouldn't be an improvement.

They are getting better... I am going to bet they fixed the drafting issues... maybe corp structure changed or reese got more hands on in scouting like in the old days under accorsi when he killed it..

who knows ? the quality of picks seem better although its still early for that judgement.

In free agency, Reese will overpay a bunch of mediocre players, most of whom nobody else really wants. He will find a couple of guys who will help some, and maybe get one guy who really stands out, but most of them will not make any real difference. Just more roster churn to cover the ongoing lack of draft success and inability to keep solid veteran players in GIANTS blue.

In the draft, he will get some defensive help, but won't get enough to make a real difference because they have so many needs on defense, and he won't draft all D players. He will also blow a couple picks on guys who won't play for some reason - they don't fit, they are always hurt, or they just aren't good enough to get a jersey on game day.

settle for lower quality FA's at targeted positions if original choice(s) sign elsewhere or will he kick that position into the draft.

Blind squirrel Reese is gonna find a few nuts outside the first 2 rounds and he's gonna get a couple difference making free agents, he has to.
We're stuck with him. Maybe some of the stone-etched principles the Giants go by will be changed (such as they never fire GMs) if he drops mad turds this offseason, but I am with him for now, hoping it doesnt come to that and he can proves worthy of the organization's loyalty.
I think the coaching staff will be smart, somewhat innovative, and aggressive. Hopefully Reese can fill the holes needed and they field a winner in 2016. I dont want to bitch about this guy anymore, at least not like I have in the past couple years.

I hope that with new S & C team
our injuries will go down from record breaking number of players on IR
maybe half the number which would put us in middle of pack

so instead of 22 players on IR
we have 11
this will immediately improve our team by leaps and bounds and help Jerry build a team instead of just plugging holes

TC is not there, and he had plenty of input on player personnel, so there's that.

McAdoo has none?

Nassib is worth something?

He has sat on the bench....how has that enhanced his stature?

We spent a 4th and 6th on him? Just what do you think we could get for him in return?