NGT: Manziel's Ex Says QB Threatened to Kill Her, Himself

Dallas had drafted him.

ho's word for it.

Just sayin...

In comment 12801759 jc in c-ville said:

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ho's word for it. Just sayin...

wow

His wording was poor, yes. But the point wasn't so bad. Many woman try and stay relevant. An ex gf running her mouth isn't a shocking revelation. Let's wait and see until more facts come out. Either this manziel is a pos and I hope he's out of the NFL.

who said the Giants should trade Nassib for this guy because Eli can mentor him?

It's not every day you come across a gem like that.

In comment 12801803 Tuckrule said:

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Many woman try and stay relevant. An ex gf running her mouth isn't a shocking revelation.

...and many men abuse women.

See how that works?

Treatment by being blackballed? For some reason, I doubt it. Boy, Goodell sure has a short memory. This piece of trash should not be on an NFL team.

and hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt in this case. If the girl ended up making it up, it will get sorted it out. But I doubt it. All signs point to Manziel still being a douchebag.

But there was no excuse for not calling 911.

This might be too much for even Jerrah. Maybe if the Cowboys turn him down after the Browns cut him he'll get the help he obviously needs.

In comment 12801827 UConn4523 said:

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and hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt in this case. If the girl ended up making it up, it will get sorted it out. But I doubt it. All signs point to Manziel still being a douchebag.

Bingo

The tendency of some to immediately blame the victims in cases of violence against women is infuriating. This is a man with a history of bad behavior, and the response from some is "maybe she is just running her mouth"?

Misogyny, cut and dry.

You know it's bad.

With all the noises Goodell has made, you'd figure he'd be making some sort of statement here.

Johnny Manziel's dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday."

Turns 24 in December.

Hopefully someone can get him over his addiction so he can save himself.

In comment 12802099 Toth029 said:

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Johnny Manziel's dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday." Turns 24 in December. Hopefully someone can get him over his addiction so he can save himself.

Normally the father would be part of that 'they'.

In comment 12801803 Tuckrule said:

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His wording was poor, yes. But the point wasn't so bad. Many woman try and stay relevant. An ex gf running her mouth isn't a shocking revelation. Let's wait and see until more facts come out. Either this manziel is a pos and I hope he's out of the NFL.

No, not really. As others have said, Manziel doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

There's also a police report, and cops allegedly saw her injuries. And when a guy has issues like this repeatedly... lets just say where theres smoke theres fire.

when CC Sabathia removed himself from the Yankees late in the season to face his alcoholism and try to straighten himself out. If you have these kind of problems, they can have much more impact than just ruining your career. They can easily be life and death. Manziel is on a self-destructive path and he has to do something about it....if he doesn't land in prison first.

And yeah, telling quote from his father. Gee, wonder how Johnny grew up with no sense of responsibility or self-control?

This is really, really sad.

His agent fired him yesterday. You can't make this shit up -- he was fired... by his agent. He needs to check himself into rehab like yesterday. Football is a distant, distant 2nd thought at this point.

regarding this dope's character.

In comment 12802109 schabadoo said:

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In comment 12802099 Toth029 said: Quote: Johnny Manziel's dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday." Normally the father would be part of that 'they'.

I was taken aback by the word "they" initially too but supposedly Manziel's Dad has personally escorted him to two clinics within the past week, and both times shortly after he left him there, Manziel walked out. The Dad can probably do more but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt here that he's trying and getting frustrated.

he needs to forget about football for a year and head into some sort of rehab program. Barring some wild conspiracy that has also managed to ensnare his father and agent, Johnny has lost control of himself.

That being said, there has now been two claims of violence levied against Manziel by his GF to separate police agencies and neither has led to any charges having been filed. This isn't to mention to month-long investigation into his domestic issues by the NFL that resulted in no findings of fault. I cannot account for what went on but I'm not about to jump to conclusions that aren't supported by evidence. Being a chemically dependent junkie doesn't mean that he necessarily abuses women, but I admit that any allegations of that degree are cause for concern and investigation.

The silver lining is that by bringing all of Johnny's issues to such a public light, perhaps it forces him to not only seek but leverage any help possible and make something of his considerable football talent.

Hey Dad, you're "they".

He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems.

I know lots of people who did the same shit Manziel is doing, only they did not take it as far because they did not have the privileges he has. Manziel doesn't have to worry about holding a job so he can pay rent and eat. If he did, I have a feeling he would suddenly be able to control himself a little more.

His problem is he is spoiled, not that he has some deep, dark "demons" haunting him. He is just like every stoner or waste product that dropped out of school. Only he is rich and famous so he can get away with stuff.

In comment 12802152 MetsAreBack said:

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This is really, really sad. His agent fired him yesterday. You can't make this shit up -- he was fired... by his agent. He needs to check himself into rehab like yesterday. Football is a distant, distant 2nd thought at this point.

I always thought he was a talented kid, even with his size limitations. I was rooting for him this summer to win the job (I thought he did in the offseason), obviously had no idea his problems ran this deep. The kid needs to handle this, not for football reasons, but to get his life straightened out.

an asshole and then he ruins it by taking the story in a sad and disturbing direction. Hope Manziel gets his shit together.

I could have been more tactful regarding my calling the young lady a ho.

Though, based on Johnny and his partying bad boy reputation- the type of young lady would probably mirror those in the ' Girls Gone Wild' videos back in the day.

Could I be wrong- sure.

In comment 12802320 Vanzetti said:

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He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems. I know lots of people who did the same shit Manziel is doing, only they did not take it as far because they did not have the privileges he has. Manziel doesn't have to worry about holding a job so he can pay rent and eat. If he did, I have a feeling he would suddenly be able to control himself a little more. His problem is he is spoiled, not that he has some deep, dark "demons" haunting him. He is just like every stoner or waste product that dropped out of school. Only he is rich and famous so he can get away with stuff.

I think you're pretty spot on. Seems like he was on his best behavior this offseason, once he didn't get the nod as the starter, his problems started to resurface. That's definitely an issue with maturity, responsibility, and also selfishness.

In comment 12802335 David in LA said:

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In comment 12802320 Vanzetti said: Quote: He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems. I know lots of people who did the same shit Manziel is doing, only they did not take it as far because they did not have the privileges he has. Manziel doesn't have to worry about holding a job so he can pay rent and eat. If he did, I have a feeling he would suddenly be able to control himself a little more. His problem is he is spoiled, not that he has some deep, dark "demons" haunting him. He is just like every stoner or waste product that dropped out of school. Only he is rich and famous so he can get away with stuff. I think you're pretty spot on. Seems like he was on his best behavior this offseason, once he didn't get the nod as the starter, his problems started to resurface. That's definitely an issue with maturity, responsibility, and also selfishness.

I disagree with you both to this extent. His problems started before he got to the NFL and the possible realization he wouldn't cut it. It's a problem that was with him at A&M and probably before. The only thing that's changed is that it's gotten progressively worse.

he was in for a surprise his rookie season, seems like he did try to dedicate himself to working his ass off to try to win the job, once he lost the competitions, he reverted.

In comment 12802320 Vanzetti said:

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He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems. I know lots of people who did the same shit Manziel is doing, only they did not take it as far because they did not have the privileges he has. Manziel doesn't have to worry about holding a job so he can pay rent and eat. If he did, I have a feeling he would suddenly be able to control himself a little more. His problem is he is spoiled, not that he has some deep, dark "demons" haunting him. He is just like every stoner or waste product that dropped out of school. Only he is rich and famous so he can get away with stuff.

I dont know - there is a lack of maturity angle to this, but the kid was drinking and getting into all sorts of trouble at Texas A&M too. He's been going down a bad path for a while, not just since he didnt win a job out of camp.

I also find the "rich people don't have real problems - if he werent rich he wouldnt have this addiction" view to be incredibly naive. Wake up and educate yourself on the topic.

In comment 12802152 MetsAreBack said:

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This is really, really sad. His agent fired him yesterday. You can't make this shit up -- he was fired... by his agent. He needs to check himself into rehab like yesterday. Football is a distant, distant 2nd thought at this point.

Although I wouldn't call myself an 'apologist' or 'excuse maker' for this guy... I'm doing now what I actually felt like doing once that whole 'Vegas trip/disguise' story came out and admit that although he was being a dick about it... Giants2012 was 100% right when he got on me for defending Manziel back when the story about him being at the club and video of him drinking and rapping into a camera came to light. At the time I didn't think it was a big deal and thought that he was being singled out more for doing something I didn't think was a big deal because of his past when I'd thought (or maybe 'hope' is a better word) that he'd gotten his life together. But after the Vegas fiasco and then this... I wish I'd never even started to defend the guy.

So you were right Giants2012 and I have no problem admitting it. I was an idiot (like I believe you called me at the time) for putting any faith into this clown.

call him.

the NFL isnt touching this guy until he shows he can get his life in order.

he wouldnt have quit yesterday.

the career of a 1st rd QB? Just fucking unbelievable how stupid some people can be.


-Ryan Leaf

In comment 12802320 Vanzetti said:

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He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems. I know lots of people who did the same shit Manziel is doing, only they did not take it as far because they did not have the privileges he has. Manziel doesn't have to worry about holding a job so he can pay rent and eat. If he did, I have a feeling he would suddenly be able to control himself a little more. His problem is he is spoiled, not that he has some deep, dark "demons" haunting him. He is just like every stoner or waste product that dropped out of school. Only he is rich and famous so he can get away with stuff.

Alcoholism is always a symptom of underlying problems. Alcohol and drugs are just the past and current solution for his problems....and it is starting to no longer work, as it is now clashing with his interaction with the outside world. This guy is on the fast track to nowhereville.

urging him to ask for help.

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"I listen to and hear stuff that's being said and what's going on and it's like a mirror for me. I can relate to so many things ... There's a solution. There always is but it's so hard to see when you're on this pedestal and [think] you don't need help. You don't need to be vulnerable because you're a big, strong football player and help means [being] weak. It doesn't. Asking for help might be the strongest thing you ever do. So it's hard because it was so fun to watch him. Great college quarterback. He's very capable and people want to cheer for him. "But now Cleveland dislikes him so much to the point, like San Diego to me [where] it's at the point you just have to get out of town. By me getting out of town and getting a new start, it didn't work for me either. I got to a great place in Tampa with coach [Tony] Dungy and that team but I couldn't restart it and I'm worried that he's not going to be able to catch on somewhere else and be as successful as he's capable of being. I hope he can."

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In comment 12802320 Vanzetti said:

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He can't handle the fact that he stinks at the NFL level. So, instead of working hard to make himself better, he is going off the deep end and throwing fits. I think lack of maturity and a sense of entitlement are this kid's problems.

I don't agree.

A lot of folks are wrapped up in the popular narrative that Manziel was flaming out on the field but it really wasn't the case. As an NFL quarterback, Johnny made incredible leaps from his disastrous rookie season to his sophomore campaign and put up a QBR around 80 as a starter, with a few of those games coming on the road against great defenses (Seattle, KC, etc). You even heard veterans within the Cleveland lockerroom talk about Manziel being dedicated to the craft and doing "the right things within the building." Within a vacuum devoid of his personal issues, a 22 year old QB that put on tape what he flashed would be rather exciting.

I'd argue that the major turning point came at the incident in Avon (road incident with his GF) which further culminated when he was given the starting gig but returned to Austin to party during the BYE week preceding the next game. Prior to those incidents we thought that we had post-rehab Johnny who was in control of himself and rededicated to football. After those incidents it has become on shot after another, literally.

I do think it's fascinating/sad/heartening that so many players, coaches, celebrities, etc are volunteering their support to Manziel..as chemical dependencies & emotional issues clearly have touched a lot of folks. Hopefully Johnny can straighten his life out and salvage a career.

to Johnny numerous times only to receive no response. Ignoring the one person who can absolutely ensure your opportunity to remain/become a starting quarterback? That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

It's almost as if Manziel is completely oblivious to his issues and does view this as a conspiracy against him, or he is just willing to concede his lifelong ambitions as a football player.

Johnny Manziel continues to flame out until no team picks him up.


Then he finds God and becomes a holly roller condemning the evils of drink and fornication. Some team in the South gives him a camp invite. He continues to suck, gets cut and hopefully is never heard from him again.

In comment 12802549 BurberryManning said:

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to Johnny numerous times only to receive no response. Ignoring the one person who can absolutely ensure your opportunity to remain/become a starting quarterback? That's a bold strategy, Cotton. It's almost as if Manziel is completely oblivious to his issues and does view this as a conspiracy against him, or he is just willing to concede his lifelong ambitions as a football player.

Completely denying the existence of the problem is the hallmark of alcoholism. He is just not going to see it until it gets bad enough to look in the mirror, just like most people blinded by things they would rather attribute to being caused by everyone but themselves. It's the reason our prisons are filled, the cause of most wars, and the foundation of familial dysfunction on the planet.

into allegations made by Crowley.

but Mike Silver reporting he never had a concussion in week 17 -- he showed up to a Wednesday practice drunk.

Browns are denying this (because if they lied about the concussion they can get in yet more trouble), but would explain what was an odd late in week diagnosis of a concussion as well as the sudden and with conviction view all of a sudden that they were moving on from JM.

Hope this kid checks himself into rehab ASAP.

Clearly someone in dire need of medical help, yet the progressives on BBI are fast to condemn.

In comment 12807956 SomeFan said:

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Clearly someone in dire need of medical help, yet the progressives on BBI are fast to condemn.

Yeah, stick it to those progressives.

Rehab, counseling, compassion....the hallmarks of old tymee football.

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Clearly someone in dire need of medical help, yet the progressives on BBI are fast to condemn.

So is literally every NFL player who acts violent and dangerous getting the CTE pass right away?

Manziel is likely very deserving of all the flack he's received.

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He may have CTE already SomeFan : 2:06 pm : link : reply Clearly someone in dire need of medical help, yet the progressives on BBI are fast to condemn.

Interesting choice of time and topic to decide to pounce on that wagon.

Alcoholic encephalopathy, more likely

Sympathize and offer him a job

But football should be the last thing he should be concentrating on. He really needs to get his life in order.