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Watched the entire SB XXI last night

Moondawg : 2/5/2016 9:19 am
First time in around 30 years or so. For those who have it NFL game pass has decades worth of full superbowls up right now.

Some observations.

Carl Banks was an absolute monster. He dominated. Consistently shedding blockers, and often more than one at a time to disrupt plays and make tackles in the backfield. Also covered tight ends like a glove. John Madden said multiple times that he was going to be one of the best players in the league and once that he has a chance to be the best defensive player on the Giants (i.e., better than LT).

John Elway had a cannon for an arm. I know we get to hear how unique Cam is, but except for height, Elway looks like he had all that athleticism way back then. Ran hard and fast and slung the ball.

I remember that Joe Morris was short, but I thought he was super thick; he looked thinner than I remembered; tough guy getting thrown around a bit.

Tons of movement on the offense before the snap. Was that RH's scheming?

Madden gave so many lol moments. Diagramming McConkey and Bavaro's routes that led to the tipped ball touchdown to McConkey, Madden says "look, he follows Bavaro's route like his little brother. . . just happy to be around. . . "

At one point, remarking on the sound of a hit, Madden says "I wonder how these hits sound in stereo (which I guess was an innovation in that broadcast?), and he starts making noises. Summerall immediately cuts him off deadpans "I think they sound the same."

It was fun to go back, and if you have gamepass, there are tons of good ones back there.
it was Ron Erhardt's "scheming"  
Victor in CT : 2/5/2016 9:22 am : link
Handley was just the clock manager and RB coach
thanks  
Moondawg : 2/5/2016 9:23 am : link
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do they show the player introductions?  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 9:25 am : link
And if so, did it include Leonard Marshall telling the cameraman to get the fuck outta there? I'll never forget that moment - it was the first time I ever heard the F word in the presence of my parents, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, which pissed off my mother.
RE: do they show the player introductions?  
Moondawg : 2/5/2016 9:51 am : link
In comment 12801942 Greg from LI said:
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And if so, did it include Leonard Marshall telling the cameraman to get the fuck outta there? I'll never forget that moment - it was the first time I ever heard the F word in the presence of my parents, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, which pissed off my mother.


Haha, no. It started with the coin toss.

You are making me think about the tv stuff, which reminds me, One cool thing is how little clutter the whole visual frame had had. Many times, you just got the entire picture was the game, without any graphics or even the time. While I like having the time, besides that it was refreshing to see the action uncluttered.
I also remember Pat Summerall introducing Perry Williams as  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 9:52 am : link
"number 323, Perry Williams"
Greg  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/5/2016 9:58 am : link
i remember that lol .I miss player introductions @ the games .When LT came out vs philly in 1989 the stadium shook it was nuts
I remember Summerall in the early 80s  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/5/2016 10:00 am : link
I was at a game in Dallas and they did the intro from the end zone then. Summerall is standing in the end zone with the cameraman, etc and there was a guy holding large signs for him.

The first sign said, "Hi, I'm Pat Summerall and we're live from beautiful Texas Stadium in Irving, TX". The next sign, "We have a great game for you today. The NY Giants........"

I was shocked he needed what amounted to a teleprompter to make a simple pregame intro. Later I heard he was a massive alcoholic and I'm guessing he was hung over.
My VHS copy is still going strong  
rsjem1979 : 2/5/2016 10:07 am : link
I've probably watched that game 100 times over the years.

Elway's arm was ridiculous. One play late in the first half he sprints left, plants his feet just inside the numbers, turns and launches a missile all the way across the field, 42 yards on the button to Steve Watson. Just an absurd throw.
remember Madden talked about Elway's "crosses"?  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 10:12 am : link
That he threw the ball so hard, the seams of the ball would imprint little crosses in the receiver's chest?
RE: RE: do they show the player introductions?  
jcn56 : 2/5/2016 10:22 am : link
In comment 12801985 Moondawg said:
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In comment 12801942 Greg from LI said:


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And if so, did it include Leonard Marshall telling the cameraman to get the fuck outta there? I'll never forget that moment - it was the first time I ever heard the F word in the presence of my parents, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, which pissed off my mother.



Haha, no. It started with the coin toss.

You are making me think about the tv stuff, which reminds me, One cool thing is how little clutter the whole visual frame had had. Many times, you just got the entire picture was the game, without any graphics or even the time. While I like having the time, besides that it was refreshing to see the action uncluttered.


It's a huge difference, and I know I'm going to sound like the get off my lawn guy, but I hate sports broadcasts now. Situational data up top, sports ticker with updates at the bottom. It's a good 10-15% of the screen gone to something I don't need, not to mention the constant refresh being a distraction.

Before HD, companies were experimenting with internet enabled broadcasts that "smart TV's" of the time would let you pick and choose what additional data you wanted to see on screen. That was short lived, but I really hope it shows up some day, I'd love to turn off all but the game.
Was in attendance...  
x meadowlander : 2/5/2016 10:27 am : link
...first time at a Giant game outside Giants Stadium. Rose Bowl - left frozen Newark, arriving at the Pasadena paradise. Hot, beautiful sunny day. Spotted Michael J Fox and Darryl Strawberry outside, got to speak with Allie Sherman before the game (we concurred that the Giants would kick Denver's ass) and found out ENTIRE 4J TAILGATE CREW! (We had an insider at the E. Rutherford Post Office back in the ticket lottery days) :)

Stadium was enormous and PACKED. Bleacher seats in Rose Bowl and back then, amenities were woeful.

For me, high points of the game were:
- McConkey blasting out of the tunnel waving the towel. Just about wet myself.
- The Safety, which was one of the most iconic plays of the Parcells years.
- The 3rd quarter fake punt. Saw Rutledge on the field, saw Denver fail to notice him and their confusion when he went under center. Huge momentum shifter.
RE: My VHS copy is still going strong  
x meadowlander : 2/5/2016 10:29 am : link
In comment 12802010 rsjem1979 said:
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I've probably watched that game 100 times over the years.

Elway's arm was ridiculous. One play late in the first half he sprints left, plants his feet just inside the numbers, turns and launches a missile all the way across the field, 42 yards on the button to Steve Watson. Just an absurd throw.
That was the best throw I ever witnessed in person. From where I sat, looked superhuman.
RE: I remember Summerall in the early 80s  
Victor in CT : 2/5/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 12802002 AP in Halfmoon said:
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I was at a game in Dallas and they did the intro from the end zone then. Summerall is standing in the end zone with the cameraman, etc and there was a guy holding large signs for him.

The first sign said, "Hi, I'm Pat Summerall and we're live from beautiful Texas Stadium in Irving, TX". The next sign, "We have a great game for you today. The NY Giants........"

I was shocked he needed what amounted to a teleprompter to make a simple pregame intro. Later I heard he was a massive alcoholic and I'm guessing he was hung over.


The reason CBS broke up the SUmmerall/Tom Brookshier duo was because they were obviously blitzed/hungover during a Super Bowl game broadcast.
RE: RE: My VHS copy is still going strong  
rsjem1979 : 2/5/2016 10:40 am : link
In comment 12802058 x meadowlander said:
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I've probably watched that game 100 times over the years.

Elway's arm was ridiculous. One play late in the first half he sprints left, plants his feet just inside the numbers, turns and launches a missile all the way across the field, 42 yards on the button to Steve Watson. Just an absurd throw.

That was the best throw I ever witnessed in person. From where I sat, looked superhuman.


Damn thing never got higher than 15 feet off the ground. Just a goddamn rope.

And Pat & John nailed the aftermath.

John: "How many quarterbacks do you think can do that.."
Pat: (cutting him off) "None".
RE: it was Ron Erhardt's  
clatterbuck : 2/5/2016 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12801933 Victor in CT said:
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Handley was just the clock manager and RB coach

Erhardt's game plan was brilliant.
RE: RE: it was Ron Erhardt's  
Moondawg : 2/5/2016 12:25 pm : link
In comment 12802247 clatterbuck said:
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Handley was just the clock manager and RB coach


Erhardt's game plan was brilliant.


Seems to have surprised everybody with aggressive passing right out of the gate.
It's funny  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 12:43 pm : link
I had the Simms/McConkey autobiography, and there's a little anecdote McConkey tells about meeting Billy Crystal at a restaurant before the Super Bowl, and how he told Crystal that the Giants were going to shock everyone by passing early and often. When Crystal didn't believe him, he bet him that the Giants first play of the game would be a downfield pass for a first down....which it was.
Morris was always stocky  
JonC : 2/5/2016 12:48 pm : link
but got FAT and that tends to encourage the injuries he struggled with from there on.
I met Morris in 1988 when he was hurt and man did he blimp out.  
Victor in CT : 2/5/2016 12:58 pm : link
round
RE: I also remember Pat Summerall introducing Perry Williams as  
Matt M. : 2/5/2016 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12801988 Greg from LI said:
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"number 323, Perry Williams"
I can still hear Summerall's voice saying the same thing, with that slight pause between 3 and 23 realizing he messed up. And I also remember Marshall's f-bomb.
RE: Morris was always stocky  
Matt M. : 2/5/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12802285 JonC said:
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but got FAT and that tends to encourage the injuries he struggled with from there on.
He broke his leg and didn't really recover. I don't recall other injuries.
Listening to Madden and Sumemrall call a football game  
Matt M. : 2/5/2016 1:03 pm : link
was one of the best privileges in sports.
RE: remember Madden talked about Elway's  
Randy in CT : 2/5/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12802023 Greg from LI said:
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That he threw the ball so hard, the seams of the ball would imprint little crosses in the receiver's chest?
Could be him too, but I recall that being said about Favre's passes.
if you watch the broadcast, you'll see Madden talking about it  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 1:14 pm : link
Even uses the telestrator - god knows he loved that thing - to draw the cross over a still picture of the end of a football.
I still get annoyed  
Matt in SGS : 2/5/2016 2:32 pm : link
at Allegre for missing that extra point. I wanted the Giants to score 40 ;)
You think you're annoyed?  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 2:45 pm : link
My dad lost hundreds of dollars because of that shank. He was in a pool where there was a 10x10 grid that had every possibility for the final numbers in the score. You got your square randomly by picking from a hat, and my dad had 0,0. If Allegre made the kick, my dad would have won. For years afterwards, when we'd watch the tape he'd say "Maybe he makes it this time!"
RE: You think you're annoyed?  
YAJ2112 : 2/5/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12802414 Greg from LI said:
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My dad lost hundreds of dollars because of that shank. He was in a pool where there was a 10x10 grid that had every possibility for the final numbers in the score. You got your square randomly by picking from a hat, and my dad had 0,0. If Allegre made the kick, my dad would have won. For years afterwards, when we'd watch the tape he'd say "Maybe he makes it this time!"


Have you not seen a Box pool since then?
nope  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 2:49 pm : link
I don't bet on sports.
RE: You think you're annoyed?  
Victor in CT : 2/5/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12802414 Greg from LI said:
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My dad lost hundreds of dollars because of that shank. He was in a pool where there was a 10x10 grid that had every possibility for the final numbers in the score. You got your square randomly by picking from a hat, and my dad had 0,0. If Allegre made the kick, my dad would have won. For years afterwards, when we'd watch the tape he'd say "Maybe he makes it this time!"


The f'ing Broncos cost me the pool vs. Seattle in SB48 because they went for 2 down 36-0. I had SEA 3, DEN 7.
RE: RE: You think you're annoyed?  
rsjem1979 : 2/5/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12802424 Victor in CT said:
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My dad lost hundreds of dollars because of that shank. He was in a pool where there was a 10x10 grid that had every possibility for the final numbers in the score. You got your square randomly by picking from a hat, and my dad had 0,0. If Allegre made the kick, my dad would have won. For years afterwards, when we'd watch the tape he'd say "Maybe he makes it this time!"



The f'ing Broncos cost me the pool vs. Seattle in SB48 because they went for 2 down 36-0. I had SEA 3, DEN 7.


Leon Lett cost my father the 9-7 final box.
RE: RE: remember Madden talked about Elway's  
Moondawg : 2/5/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12802314 Randy in CT said:
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That he threw the ball so hard, the seams of the ball would imprint little crosses in the receiver's chest?

Could be him too, but I recall that being said about Favre's passes.


He definitely said it in the Superbowl telecast. He even diagrammed it.
RE: do they show the player introductions?  
MadPlaid : 2/5/2016 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12801942 Greg from LI said:
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And if so, did it include Leonard Marshall telling the cameraman to get the fuck outta there? I'll never forget that moment - it was the first time I ever heard the F word in the presence of my parents, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, which pissed off my mother.

Greg, I recall it was Andy Headen telling the cameraman to get the fudge outta here! I remember clear as a bell the big 54 the guy was wearing. Hilarious. My dad, brother and I were all cracking up with that one.
I rewatch XXI about once a year  
mfsd : 2/5/2016 4:39 pm : link
agreed, Banks was a monster all day, and it was a brilliant game plan to put the ball in Simms hands. As much as its been discussed, I'm always struck by the game he had...he was throwing pinpoint lasers all day.

Others thoughts that come up:

Rich Karlis, the Broncos kicker, was just awful. Not just with 2 FG whiffs, including one from 24 yards, but his kick offs were barely inside the 20. And the last FG he made was very close, he almost missed that too. Pretty sure he was the last of the barefoot kickers

With Bavaro, Morris and our offensive line, Giants were a lock in the red zone back then. I miss those days.

Reeves was annoying as fuck late in the 4th quarter...OK with the first onside kick, but the second one was just stupid, and calling timeout with 50 seconds left down 39-20 was just classless. The game was over. But at least it gave the plays time to dump a bucket on Simms and 2 on Parcells
not the last  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 4:53 pm : link
Either Mike Lansford or Paul McFadden was, I forget which one.
RE: not the last  
speedywheels : 2/5/2016 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12802606 Greg from LI said:
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Either Mike Lansford or Paul McFadden was, I forget which one.


Mcfadden retired in 1989, Karlis and Lansford in 1990.

Not sure if there were any other barefoot kickers after them...
RE: do they show the player introductions?  
djm : 2/5/2016 5:41 pm : link
In comment 12801942 Greg from LI said:
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And if so, did it include Leonard Marshall telling the cameraman to get the fuck outta there? I'll never forget that moment - it was the first time I ever heard the F word in the presence of my parents, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, which pissed off my mother.


Haha that was Marshall?? I remember that like it was yesterday.
RE: I rewatch XXI about once a year  
Moondawg : 2/5/2016 7:07 pm : link
In comment 12802575 mfsd said:
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agreed, Banks was a monster all day, and it was a brilliant game plan to put the ball in Simms hands. As much as its been discussed, I'm always struck by the game he had...he was throwing pinpoint lasers all day.

Others thoughts that come up:

Rich Karlis, the Broncos kicker, was just awful. Not just with 2 FG whiffs, including one from 24 yards, but his kick offs were barely inside the 20. And the last FG he made was very close, he almost missed that too. Pretty sure he was the last of the barefoot kickers

With Bavaro, Morris and our offensive line, Giants were a lock in the red zone back then. I miss those days.

Reeves was annoying as fuck late in the 4th quarter...OK with the first onside kick, but the second one was just stupid, and calling timeout with 50 seconds left down 39-20 was just classless. The game was over. But at least it gave the plays time to dump a bucket on Simms and 2 on Parcells


Good call about Karlis. After his second miss, the Giants were still losing but it felt like they were going to win. You could see Parcells just knew that their kicker didn't have it. Allegre on the other hand got injured but kept on doing his job.
Elway  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/5/2016 7:50 pm : link
doesn't get enough credit for being among the best to ever play the position. He is always an afterthought in that conversation I find.
That game was a mortal lock.  
Giants_ROK : 2/5/2016 8:36 pm : link
I had a dream the night before that they would get a safety and that Zeke Mowatt would catch a TD pass.

I told all the guys at the bar about the dream well before kick off.

Got mobbed after the safety.
Mad Plaid was right! It was Headen.  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2016 8:54 pm : link
Just watched it. Marshall stuck in my mind because he was the guts introduced immediately after that.
Regarding player introductions...  
EricJ : 2/5/2016 9:27 pm : link
I also remember that in our stadium, the announcement of the names were about 10 seconds delayed from when the player actually ran out. Happened every week... like the old man had a delay in his head or something. You also could not even hear the names when the crowd was all jacked up.
Since no one said it yet, I will  
David B. : 2/5/2016 10:08 pm : link
Simms was a FUCKING GOD in that game.

Yeah, we all know it. But it needs to be repeated. Forever.
In case anyone's interested  
jcn56 : 2/5/2016 10:52 pm : link
the full game is on Youtube... I have the DVD set, but this is easier than digging that out right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SXbl4ecYEo - ( New Window )
I loved that goal line stand in the first half  
Jimmy Googs : 2/6/2016 9:06 am : link
where our fabulous LB crew just destroyed the Denver ball carriers play after play...

RE: Since no one said it yet, I will  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/7/2016 12:25 am : link
In comment 12802800 David B. said:
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Simms was a FUCKING GOD in that game.

Yeah, we all know it. But it needs to be repeated. Forever.


Simms, another one who doesn't get the respect he deserves. A great performance in that game.
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