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BigBlue1092 : 2/5/2016 12:14 pm
Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent

"The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position.

The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine."

I happen to like Treadwell but found this interesting.
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This sounds like the type of thing  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/5/2016 12:25 pm : link
That a team picking in the 15-25 range leaks out in hopes that he falls.

I don't have an opinion on the player but this is a cutthroat business.
This year's receivers in the draft  
Ira : 2/5/2016 12:30 pm : link
aren't as good as the previous two years.
Plenty of great receivers  
ryanmkeane : 2/5/2016 12:33 pm : link
didn't run fast at the combine. I imagine he will run in the high 4.4s or low 4.5s.

Also it's funny that they post this article and then have the Giants taking him with their latest mock as of Thursday...
I  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 12:34 pm : link
wouldn't take him at #10 because of the lack of speed and his injury history.

Scroll down for a great blurb about Alonzo Highsmith.
The Giants could use a  
illmatic : 2/5/2016 12:34 pm : link
big strong possession receiver to pair with Beckham and hopefully Cruz so that description doesn't exactly scare me off. But I agree that 10 is too high for him. They have too many bigger needs to pick a WR at 10 unless they think he's a pretty special talent. They desperately need to get OBJ some help though. This offense is completely done if god forbid Beckham goes down for the year with the way the roster is currently constructed.
If we think he's a great talent  
ryanmkeane : 2/5/2016 12:35 pm : link
that can start and produce right away because of his route running, I'm all for it. Again, Beckham was considered in the 18-25 range before we took him at 12.
He doesn't look explosive  
KWALL2 : 2/5/2016 12:37 pm : link
Not a surprise. He's more of a Crabtree type mover than a top 10 Julio Jones talent.

I think the WR Coleman is a better prospect. No doubts about his ability to separate vs NFL speed.
If he runs at combine  
KWALL2 : 2/5/2016 12:39 pm : link
I would bet on a time closer to 4.6.
...  
christian : 2/5/2016 12:41 pm : link
And if he runs a sub 4.5 in Indy, everyone will be calling him the next A.J. Green.

Every draft season I am reminded scouts and GMs need to know what's 'under the hood' with these guys. As ridiculous as it may seem to judge football players on how they run and jump in shorts on a random afternoon, they keep doing it.

I think Treadwell will ultimately run well and be a top 15 pick.
D first  
NJLCO : 2/5/2016 12:45 pm : link
I do not see any way in hell that we take a player on the O side of the ball at #10. Even if we add to our D in FA --there is so much work to be done at the D-line, LB and safety that we have to stay focused on D side during the draft.
Let's hope Reese finds a WR in 4th and 5th rounds.
Like  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 12:56 pm : link
Coleman. Has deep speed, but he didn't run the full route tree at Baylor. He's also not the biggest guy, being less than six feet and under two hundred. I'd rather go with Sterling Shepard if that's the kind of receiver we want. I'd still also like to see what Davis can give us as a big, possession receiver.
I have stated this before and I have never seen anybody else say it  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2016 12:58 pm : link
But his ceiling to me is Brandon Marshall. I am talking about Marshall the last few years. He never seems to get a lot of separation but is always making plays. Treadwell will get knocked down for the speed but he does so many other things well. He will need to refine his route running. If he does that then he will have a very nice career. He will not be able to consistently have success with sloppy routes.
I think he's overrated  
sjnyfan : 2/5/2016 1:01 pm : link
It wouldn't surprise me to see him fall into the 2nd. He doesn't get a lot of separation. He definitely seems like more of a possession receiver and that horrific injury from '14 will be fresh in scouts minds.

On the flipside, I expect Leonte Caroo to start moving up after the combine. I think he's underrated.
Bad news  
Bones : 2/5/2016 1:20 pm : link
For us. I was counting on S.F. Or someone else taking him before our pick. Probably means one less Defensive player on the board for us.
Treadwell  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 1:23 pm : link
is a great fit for us as a no. 2, but you don't spend top 10 picks on no. 2 receivers. I'd love to grab him, Thomas, Doctson, etc. at 40 if possible.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2016 1:30 pm : link
People said Mike Evans wouldn't get separation in the NFL, either. Dez ran a 4.52 40. Too much stock gets put into it and there are other ways to be an excellent NFL WR aside from just being fast.

I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.
Y'all need to give up the 'injury prone' stuff re Laquon  
FranknWeezer : 2/5/2016 1:34 pm : link
I was 20 rows up from the end zone when he broke his leg v. Auburn. That was no degenerative condition, soft tissue injury, tear, etc. His leg was awkwardly twisted and the bone broke. See video. It has completely healed, and he tore up the SEC this year on that same leg.

Just getting tired of that tired refrain being attached for no legitimate reason.
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Treadwell  
stretch234 : 2/5/2016 2:01 pm : link
I think he is going to be a tremendous pro. He seemed to do fine post injury against SEC defenses.

Issue is, as others have said, is his position vs others available with the 10th pick

Draft the trenches early and then find a guy who can really run in the 3-4th
Anybody who watches him should see that  
Big Rick in FL : 2/5/2016 2:03 pm : link
He isn't explosive & has trouble getting separation against college CBs. NFL CBs should have no problem keeping close. He's a smaller Kelvin Benjamin.
Yes people said the same thing  
Big Rick in FL : 2/5/2016 2:08 pm : link
About Mike Evans. He's 6'5 though. He doesn't need to get the same separation. His length is ridiculous. Treadwell is listed at 6'2. Which probably means he's smaller then that. A guy his size needs to be able to get separation. Unlike the Evans, Benjamin's & Marshall's of the NFL.

Dez was/is extremely explosive. Treadwell is not.

I want nothing to do with him at 10.
Lack of explosion  
JonC : 2/5/2016 2:22 pm : link
seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.

RE: Lack of explosion  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12802389 JonC said:
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.


I think that's why you try and trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch, since Wentz and Goff will be gone. The better talent will be gone by #10 IMO. Alexander or Hargreaves would be OK, but I don't see a lot of difference between #10 and #20.
Suprised  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 2:29 pm : link
the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.
I don't see him as a Top 10 Talent  
BigBluDawg : 2/5/2016 2:32 pm : link
He reminds me of Rueben Randle when he came out of LSU talent wise, not saying he won't possibly have a better career than Randle. That's just the player that popped in my mind watching his film.
Aquan Bolden  
Samiam : 2/5/2016 2:36 pm : link
Sounds like Bolden
RE: Suprised  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12802398 Jon in NYC said:
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.


Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.
RE: RE: Suprised  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12802408 AcidTest said:
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.



Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.


Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.
RE: Yes people said the same thing  
arcarsenal : 2/5/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12802380 Big Rick in FL said:
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About Mike Evans. He's 6'5 though. He doesn't need to get the same separation. His length is ridiculous. Treadwell is listed at 6'2. Which probably means he's smaller then that. A guy his size needs to be able to get separation. Unlike the Evans, Benjamin's & Marshall's of the NFL.

Dez was/is extremely explosive. Treadwell is not.

I want nothing to do with him at 10.


Treadwell makes up for that with an outstanding catch radius. He attacks the football and will win a lot of 50/50 battles. He's also displayed above average RAC ability.

I think people fall too in love with measurables sometimes. This kid can play. He's going to be good.

I'd take Kelvin Benjamin in 2 seconds. If that's what you think Treadwell is, that shouldn't be any sort of knock whatsoever.
RE: RE: RE: Suprised  
sjnyfan : 2/5/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12802417 Jon in NYC said:
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.



Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.



Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.


I agree with both of you. I mentioned a few weeks ago that between he and Lawson, I'd rather have Dodd. He'll be 24 at the start of next season but I think he has the better upside. I also think he has the power and quickness to play inside on some snaps as well. He'll start rising after the combine just as JPP did. While we're on Clemson DL, keep an eye out for DJ Reader. Classic NT who will go in the middle rounds but was a huge benefit to both Lawson and Dodd.
I swear when I see Treadwell  
est1986 : 2/5/2016 2:59 pm : link
I think Michael Crabtree
Dez Bryant.  
Sy'56 : 2/5/2016 3:26 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Suprised  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12802441 sjnyfan said:
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.



Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.



Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.



I agree with both of you. I mentioned a few weeks ago that between he and Lawson, I'd rather have Dodd. He'll be 24 at the start of next season but I think he has the better upside. I also think he has the power and quickness to play inside on some snaps as well. He'll start rising after the combine just as JPP did. While we're on Clemson DL, keep an eye out for DJ Reader. Classic NT who will go in the middle rounds but was a huge benefit to both Lawson and Dodd.


Reader is a classic NT. Good run plugger and can really push the pocket at times. Not a lot of other pass rush moves, but on day three he'd be a good pick. He is more than 330. He seems to handle the weight well, but that is pretty heavy. He also stepped away from the Clemson football team for about half the season. I'm not criticizing him, but it is something to be examined.

Two other mid round DTs I like are WIllie Henry from Michigan, and Vincent Valentine from Nebraska.
RE: RE: Lack of explosion  
JonC : 2/5/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12802396 AcidTest said:
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.




I think that's why you try and trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch, since Wentz and Goff will be gone. The better talent will be gone by #10 IMO. Alexander or Hargreaves would be OK, but I don't see a lot of difference between #10 and #20.


Really difficult to say until you're actually on the clock. If he's Dez Part Deux and carries the grade, pick him and run.
I think he's superior talent to Crabtree  
JonC : 2/5/2016 3:58 pm : link
Crabtree was a very productive college wideout with more ordinary NFL tools, and a shaky head. Treadwell is bigger, smoother, more natural, he makes some things look easy.
AcidTest  
sjnyfan : 2/5/2016 4:00 pm : link
He stepped away because he wasn't over his father's death. His father passed away a day before his 20th birthday in 2014. He played the '14 season but wasn't mentally there. While he was away from football he was still in class and graduated early. One of the Team Captains as well.

I like his athleticism for a guy his size. He'll certainly need some conditioning as anyone his size would but he was a 4 letter baseball, basketball and football player in HS. He even played for Clemson's baseball team his freshman year. Word is that he has a 90+ fastball.

Definitely a guy I'd like if available in rounds 4-5.
RE: I think he's superior talent to Crabtree  
Ash_3 : 2/5/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12802517 JonC said:
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Crabtree was a very productive college wideout with more ordinary NFL tools, and a shaky head. Treadwell is bigger, smoother, more natural, he makes some things look easy.


Honestly if Treadwell projects to 85% the player Dez is, that still ends up being a good pick at 10th overall. Dez had a down year with no QB too, but the guy is monstrous.
Threadwell  
Dragon : 2/5/2016 4:19 pm : link
At 220+ is too big 211-216 is more than big enough with his frame that additional weight is not needed. I'm not sure what time he will run but if he is 210 and can run 4.53 or better than all that talk about seperation becomes void. Let's all be sure Treadwell is a more than ready WR the only question is the condition of his foot.
RE: AcidTest  
AcidTest : 2/5/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12802520 sjnyfan said:
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He stepped away because he wasn't over his father's death. His father passed away a day before his 20th birthday in 2014. He played the '14 season but wasn't mentally there. While he was away from football he was still in class and graduated early. One of the Team Captains as well.

I like his athleticism for a guy his size. He'll certainly need some conditioning as anyone his size would but he was a 4 letter baseball, basketball and football player in HS. He even played for Clemson's baseball team his freshman year. Word is that he has a 90+ fastball.

Definitely a guy I'd like if available in rounds 4-5.


Thanks for the information. I didn't know that. I'm sorry for his loss. He sounds like a fine young man. I'd have no problem with him in the fourth, or either of the other DTs I mentioned.
As  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 4:35 pm : link
Ash said, if Treadwell projects to even close to Dez, you run to the podium at 10. Imagine 23 year old Dez and Odell on the same team.

Filth.
heard the same thing about alshon jeffery too  
GiantsFan84 : 2/5/2016 4:44 pm : link
he seems to be doing just fine
Kevin Dodd will be 24  
shyster : 2/5/2016 5:21 pm : link
before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.

Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.

As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.
RE: Kevin Dodd will be 24  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12802621 shyster said:
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before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.

Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.

As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.


How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.
RE: RE: Kevin Dodd will be 24  
sjnyfan : 2/5/2016 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12802628 Jon in NYC said:
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before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.

Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.

As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.



How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.


Jon, he went to Hargrave Military Academy first before attending Clemson
RE: RE: RE: Kevin Dodd will be 24  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2016 6:11 pm : link
In comment 12802647 sjnyfan said:
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before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.

Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.

As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.



How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.



Jon, he went to Hargrave Military Academy first before attending Clemson


Wouldn't that count for one year of his eligibility though? So he's a 4th year Junior. Even then he should be 22 or so.
RE: RE: RE: Kevin Dodd will be 24  
shyster : 2/5/2016 6:11 pm : link
Yes, that plus he was one month short of 19 when he got out of high school and before entering the academy, so a two year swing from "normal."
'Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent'...  
Torrag : 2/5/2016 7:46 pm : link
...Agreed. In most recent WR classes he wouldn't crack the Top 4 or 5 at his position. He isn't elite and he has an injury history to consider.

There isn't a Top 10 WR talent in this class.
I'll reserve judgement  
The_Boss : 2/5/2016 8:06 pm : link
Until I see what he runs in either Indy or on campus for his Pro Day.


But let's play devil's advocate and say it's true and he's not worthy of the #10 pick. It doesn't look as if neither Lawson or Ogbah are wothy of 10. If you go by our "philosophy", it usually is DE, WR, or CB. Do we then turn our attention to Hargreaves or Alexander? I suppose if Prince bolts and we don't go get one in FA, I guess we announce to the NFL in March that we're going CB....
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kevin Dodd will be 24  
shyster : 2/5/2016 8:50 pm : link
In comment 12802653 Jon in NYC said:
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Wouldn't that count for one year of his eligibility though? So he's a 4th year Junior. Even then he should be 22 or so.


The full picture:

One year late graduating high school (relative to "normal" for a July birthday).

One year in the military academy (because he was academically unqualified upon HS graduation) which did not count against college eligibility.

One year as a medical redshirt his second year at Clemson.

Three "missing" years that equate to turning 24 this July.
RE: D first  
DonnieD89 : 2/5/2016 9:34 pm : link
In comment 12802284 NJLCO said:
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I do not see any way in hell that we take a player on the O side of the ball at #10. Even if we add to our D in FA --there is so much work to be done at the D-line, LB and safety that we have to stay focused on D side during the draft.
Let's hope Reese finds a WR in 4th and 5th rounds.


Why not try to fix the D with FA?
RE: Lack of explosion  
DonnieD89 : 2/5/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12802389 JonC said:
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.


Maybe Zeke is the logical pick at #10. If the Giants feel he is the going to an impact player high on their board, I can see them pulling the trigger. They need that production from the RB position.
I said it months ago about Treadwell and it still stands  
Anakim : 2/6/2016 2:06 am : link
I want to see what he'll run. If it's sub-4.48, I put him in the running for #10. If not, there most likely would be a better option at 10.
RE: RE: Lack of explosion  
JPinstripes : 2/6/2016 6:12 am : link
In comment 12802766 DonnieD89 said:
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.




Maybe Zeke is the logical pick at #10. If the Giants feel he is the going to an impact player high on their board, I can see them pulling the trigger. They need that production from the RB position.


Going purely BPA Zeke will be that player far and away if available at 10.

The kid has the potential to be a superstar in the NFL. I read recently that he expects to run sub 4.4 at the combine at 225 Lbs, are you kidding me...

No on Treadwell, I don't see the Dez comp at all as he lacks the explosion that Dez had coming out of Oak St.
typical pre-draft  
GiantsLaw : 2/6/2016 11:40 am : link
Smoke and mirrors
Some of the advanced stats fantasy sites have researched WR weight  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2016 12:31 pm : link
and isolated it as one of the biggest differentiating factors between highly regarded college players who are able to make the transition to the NFL successfully (heavier WR have generally produced more predictably entering the NFL than lighter WR). In one analysis I saw they tabulated the average qualities of hits/misses of first round pick wide receivers from 2006 - 2013 and the 'hits' weighed on average 213 pounds which was 8 pounds heavier than the misses, while the misses were actually 6 tenths faster in the 40, 2 tenths of an inch taller & 2 inches higher on the vertical jump. I'd imagine the hypothesis there is people overdraft the 40 time?

Obviously if someone is overweight or out of shape that's not helpful but in today's game that seems to be pretty uncommon, especially when you're talking about a subset of players already producing at a high enough level to get picked in the first few rounds of the draft (and most likely not totally sucking at the combine). And yes, there are some amazing small receivers like Antonio Brown and Odell Beckham - but they must they have some intangible quality that sets them apart from guys like Jernigan, Tayvon Austin and Sinorice Moss who aren't all that far away physically despite being worlds away on the actual football field. To me the takeaway is that one of the important differentiating qualities of guys like Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins is that they can do the things they do at 215-220 pounds - and Treadwell may fall into that category of guys whose game translates really well to the NFL as well if he checks all the other boxes.
I think he's very similar to Crabtree  
KWALL2 : 2/6/2016 1:50 pm : link
In many ways.

Crabtree was touted as a top pick but dropped to SF because of speed concerns. He had everything else coming out of college. Size, hands, ball skills, excellent with contested passes, production. Etc.

But the thing Crabtree lacked was the explosion. He was able to dominate in college without it. Could not do the same in the NFL. He's been good at timres. Very good this year for Oakland. But he wasn't worth that #10 pick for SF.

Treadmill is in the same boat ( and this thread is similar to many we had on BBI about Crabtree). The lack of explosive movement drops Treadwell. I don't want him at #10. He isn't a good enough NFL prospect. They should not make the bet he can overcome the lack of explosion.

Coleman from Baylor? If we're going WR, I'd rather take a shot with this kid who I know can get wide open vs any athlete. The guy plants and moves like Beckham. Exceptional quickness and explosive out of his breaks.

As an NFL prospect? Coleman > Treadwell

RE: .  
TheShade : 2/6/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12802340 arcarsenal said:
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People said Mike Evans wouldn't get separation in the NFL, either. Dez ran a 4.52 40. Too much stock gets put into it and there are other ways to be an excellent NFL WR aside from just being fast.

I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.


DeAndre Hopkins ran a 4.52 at his pro day and a 4.57 at the combine. Look at him today. Thats who I think Treadwell compares too the most.

I see the Lions drafting him when they pick as a replacement for Calvin Johnson (if he truly decides to retire from the Lions, still has to May to make it official or change his mind).
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Carson53 : 2/7/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 12803556 TheShade said:
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People said Mike Evans wouldn't get separation in the NFL, either. Dez ran a 4.52 40. Too much stock gets put into it and there are other ways to be an excellent NFL WR aside from just being fast.

I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.



DeAndre Hopkins ran a 4.52 at his pro day and a 4.57 at the combine. Look at him today. Thats who I think Treadwell compares too the most.

I see the Lions drafting him when they pick as a replacement for Calvin Johnson (if he truly decides to retire from the Lions, still has to May to make it official or change his mind).


Those are good points, a possession receiver with size
is okay with ODBJ here. I think they will ask Cruz
to take a salary cut, to keep him.
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