Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent
"The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position.
The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine."
I happen to like Treadwell but found this interesting.
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I don't have an opinion on the player but this is a cutthroat business.
Also it's funny that they post this article and then have the Giants taking him with their latest mock as of Thursday...
Scroll down for a great blurb about Alonzo Highsmith.
I think the WR Coleman is a better prospect. No doubts about his ability to separate vs NFL speed.
Every draft season I am reminded scouts and GMs need to know what's 'under the hood' with these guys. As ridiculous as it may seem to judge football players on how they run and jump in shorts on a random afternoon, they keep doing it.
I think Treadwell will ultimately run well and be a top 15 pick.
Let's hope Reese finds a WR in 4th and 5th rounds.
On the flipside, I expect Leonte Caroo to start moving up after the combine. I think he's underrated.
I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.
Just getting tired of that tired refrain being attached for no legitimate reason.
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Issue is, as others have said, is his position vs others available with the 10th pick
Draft the trenches early and then find a guy who can really run in the 3-4th
Dez was/is extremely explosive. Treadwell is not.
I want nothing to do with him at 10.
I think that's why you try and trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch, since Wentz and Goff will be gone. The better talent will be gone by #10 IMO. Alexander or Hargreaves would be OK, but I don't see a lot of difference between #10 and #20.
Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.
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Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.
Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.
Dez was/is extremely explosive. Treadwell is not.
I want nothing to do with him at 10.
Treadwell makes up for that with an outstanding catch radius. He attacks the football and will win a lot of 50/50 battles. He's also displayed above average RAC ability.
I think people fall too in love with measurables sometimes. This kid can play. He's going to be good.
I'd take Kelvin Benjamin in 2 seconds. If that's what you think Treadwell is, that shouldn't be any sort of knock whatsoever.
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.
Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.
Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.
I agree with both of you. I mentioned a few weeks ago that between he and Lawson, I'd rather have Dodd. He'll be 24 at the start of next season but I think he has the better upside. I also think he has the power and quickness to play inside on some snaps as well. He'll start rising after the combine just as JPP did. While we're on Clemson DL, keep an eye out for DJ Reader. Classic NT who will go in the middle rounds but was a huge benefit to both Lawson and Dodd.
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the name Kevin Dodd hasn't shown up more.
Dodd is going to move up very quickly IMO. 6'4" 275 or so. Classic 4-3 DE. Fantastic production, especially against Alabama in the national championship game. Stout against the run. Maintains contain. Needs to develop better pass rush moves, but has the flexibility to bend the edge. Also a one year wonder, but it sure looks like his best football is ahead of him. Not sure about taking him at #10, but certainly wouldn't hate doing so.
Agree, but his one year was his most recent year. He really has a JPP-esque vibe to him.
I agree with both of you. I mentioned a few weeks ago that between he and Lawson, I'd rather have Dodd. He'll be 24 at the start of next season but I think he has the better upside. I also think he has the power and quickness to play inside on some snaps as well. He'll start rising after the combine just as JPP did. While we're on Clemson DL, keep an eye out for DJ Reader. Classic NT who will go in the middle rounds but was a huge benefit to both Lawson and Dodd.
Reader is a classic NT. Good run plugger and can really push the pocket at times. Not a lot of other pass rush moves, but on day three he'd be a good pick. He is more than 330. He seems to handle the weight well, but that is pretty heavy. He also stepped away from the Clemson football team for about half the season. I'm not criticizing him, but it is something to be examined.
Two other mid round DTs I like are WIllie Henry from Michigan, and Vincent Valentine from Nebraska.
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.
I think that's why you try and trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch, since Wentz and Goff will be gone. The better talent will be gone by #10 IMO. Alexander or Hargreaves would be OK, but I don't see a lot of difference between #10 and #20.
Really difficult to say until you're actually on the clock. If he's Dez Part Deux and carries the grade, pick him and run.
I like his athleticism for a guy his size. He'll certainly need some conditioning as anyone his size would but he was a 4 letter baseball, basketball and football player in HS. He even played for Clemson's baseball team his freshman year. Word is that he has a 90+ fastball.
Definitely a guy I'd like if available in rounds 4-5.
Honestly if Treadwell projects to 85% the player Dez is, that still ends up being a good pick at 10th overall. Dez had a down year with no QB too, but the guy is monstrous.
I like his athleticism for a guy his size. He'll certainly need some conditioning as anyone his size would but he was a 4 letter baseball, basketball and football player in HS. He even played for Clemson's baseball team his freshman year. Word is that he has a 90+ fastball.
Definitely a guy I'd like if available in rounds 4-5.
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that. I'm sorry for his loss. He sounds like a fine young man. I'd have no problem with him in the fourth, or either of the other DTs I mentioned.
Filth.
Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.
As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.
Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.
As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.
How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.
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before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.
Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.
As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.
How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.
Jon, he went to Hargrave Military Academy first before attending Clemson
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before training camp starts. He's almost four years older than Andrew Billings, 3+ years older than Myles Jack, etc.
Not saying that means "don't draft Kevin Dodd" but it's not apples to apples, and one reason he may not go as high as he would if he were age 21.
As for Treadwell, McShay still has him at number 7 in his mock released a couple of days ago. Treadwell can be picked apart but there aren't ten players in this draft who can't be picked apart. And, nevertheless, ten players will have to be drafted in the top ten. It's a rule.
How the hell did a Junior in college just turn 24? He's my age and I've been out of school for 3 years already.
Jon, he went to Hargrave Military Academy first before attending Clemson
Wouldn't that count for one year of his eligibility though? So he's a 4th year Junior. Even then he should be 22 or so.
There isn't a Top 10 WR talent in this class.
But let's play devil's advocate and say it's true and he's not worthy of the #10 pick. It doesn't look as if neither Lawson or Ogbah are wothy of 10. If you go by our "philosophy", it usually is DE, WR, or CB. Do we then turn our attention to Hargreaves or Alexander? I suppose if Prince bolts and we don't go get one in FA, I guess we announce to the NFL in March that we're going CB....
Wouldn't that count for one year of his eligibility though? So he's a 4th year Junior. Even then he should be 22 or so.
The full picture:
One year late graduating high school (relative to "normal" for a July birthday).
One year in the military academy (because he was academically unqualified upon HS graduation) which did not count against college eligibility.
One year as a medical redshirt his second year at Clemson.
Three "missing" years that equate to turning 24 this July.
Let's hope Reese finds a WR in 4th and 5th rounds.
Why not try to fix the D with FA?
Maybe Zeke is the logical pick at #10. If the Giants feel he is the going to an impact player high on their board, I can see them pulling the trigger. They need that production from the RB position.
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seems to be an emerging common descriptor in the top of this draft. That isn't encouraging for a team in need at DE and WR picking #10 overall.
Maybe Zeke is the logical pick at #10. If the Giants feel he is the going to an impact player high on their board, I can see them pulling the trigger. They need that production from the RB position.
Going purely BPA Zeke will be that player far and away if available at 10.
The kid has the potential to be a superstar in the NFL. I read recently that he expects to run sub 4.4 at the combine at 225 Lbs, are you kidding me...
No on Treadwell, I don't see the Dez comp at all as he lacks the explosion that Dez had coming out of Oak St.
Obviously if someone is overweight or out of shape that's not helpful but in today's game that seems to be pretty uncommon, especially when you're talking about a subset of players already producing at a high enough level to get picked in the first few rounds of the draft (and most likely not totally sucking at the combine). And yes, there are some amazing small receivers like Antonio Brown and Odell Beckham - but they must they have some intangible quality that sets them apart from guys like Jernigan, Tayvon Austin and Sinorice Moss who aren't all that far away physically despite being worlds away on the actual football field. To me the takeaway is that one of the important differentiating qualities of guys like Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins is that they can do the things they do at 215-220 pounds - and Treadwell may fall into that category of guys whose game translates really well to the NFL as well if he checks all the other boxes.
Crabtree was touted as a top pick but dropped to SF because of speed concerns. He had everything else coming out of college. Size, hands, ball skills, excellent with contested passes, production. Etc.
But the thing Crabtree lacked was the explosion. He was able to dominate in college without it. Could not do the same in the NFL. He's been good at timres. Very good this year for Oakland. But he wasn't worth that #10 pick for SF.
Treadmill is in the same boat ( and this thread is similar to many we had on BBI about Crabtree). The lack of explosive movement drops Treadwell. I don't want him at #10. He isn't a good enough NFL prospect. They should not make the bet he can overcome the lack of explosion.
Coleman from Baylor? If we're going WR, I'd rather take a shot with this kid who I know can get wide open vs any athlete. The guy plants and moves like Beckham. Exceptional quickness and explosive out of his breaks.
As an NFL prospect? Coleman > Treadwell
I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.
DeAndre Hopkins ran a 4.52 at his pro day and a 4.57 at the combine. Look at him today. Thats who I think Treadwell compares too the most.
I see the Lions drafting him when they pick as a replacement for Calvin Johnson (if he truly decides to retire from the Lions, still has to May to make it official or change his mind).
People said Mike Evans wouldn't get separation in the NFL, either. Dez ran a 4.52 40. Too much stock gets put into it and there are other ways to be an excellent NFL WR aside from just being fast.
I think he'll be a very good pro. Maybe the argument will be that there's a better player on the board at 10 which is fine but I'd be surprised if he dropped to the end of the 1st rd.
DeAndre Hopkins ran a 4.52 at his pro day and a 4.57 at the combine. Look at him today. Thats who I think Treadwell compares too the most.
I see the Lions drafting him when they pick as a replacement for Calvin Johnson (if he truly decides to retire from the Lions, still has to May to make it official or change his mind).
Those are good points, a possession receiver with size
is okay with ODBJ here. I think they will ask Cruz
to take a salary cut, to keep him.