Just because there are holes on the team doesn't mean Coughlin is directly responsible for those holes. I doubt Mara is going to have him running the draft.
this is an even worse idea than having one of the owners as the Senior VP of Player Evaluation on the same organizational level as the GM. But it's a typical John Mara half measure, heart before head move.
Why would Mara's opinion have changed on this in the past few weeks? I assume just about any team would be happy to have a 2-time championship coach stick around in the organization.
But it's certainly good to see arnie advertise his ignorance.
You can see two sides to this. Having the old Hall of Fame coach lurking over the 38-year old's shoulder... not literally of course, but he would be a presence.
At the same time, Coughlin does like to scout.
RE: He needs to go and his entire coaching staff needed to go
this is an even worse idea than having one of the owners as the Senior VP of Player Evaluation on the same organizational level as the GM. But it's a typical John Mara half measure, heart before head move.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that you aren't sharpest tool in the shed
my opinion. But, I could see the problem with bringing him on board in an consulting role. I could see how this could undermine Reese and others working in personnel.
If they wanted him around they should have kept him as coach.
Coughlin is not going to be hanging around the locker room or looking over anyone's shoulder. He's too classy to do that.
FWIW, I don't believe Coughlin will continue with the Giants. Mara is trying to sound like the good guy here. I can see Coughlin doing some consulting for other teams, similar to what he did after Jacksonville.
I don't see him as a front office type. He seems to thrive in the everyday actions of dealing with the players and not necessarily the paperwork aspect of this business.
You want to know a great job for him? Put him in charge of the rookie symposium. Have him i ln charge of something like character development across the NFL. This way he can visit all the teams and still have him teach these players how to be successful in football and life.
I don't see him as a front office type. He seems to thrive in the everyday actions of dealing with the players and not necessarily the paperwork aspect of this business.
You want to know a great job for him? Put him in charge of the rookie symposium. Have him i ln charge of something like character development across the NFL. This way he can visit all the teams and still have him teach these players how to be successful in football and life.
Are the recent failures of this football team Tom Coughlin's fault? No clear answer, he was removed from his position as head coach but all of his coordinators and some other coaches from his staff were retained.
He can't be head coach anymore but he can work as a consultant, doing what?
Are the recent failures Jerry Reese's fault? How do we know? The head coach was fired but the man clearly in charge of shaping the roster keeps his job although the owner is quick to tell you that the problems are all rooted in personnel.
Was Ben McAdoo really the first choice to take over? We don't know because we waited a week to hire him and let the Eagles talk to him as well.
I think there are alot of half measures taking place as well as talking from both sides of the mouth.
So without having a fucking clue what his responsibilities
or what exactly Mara has in mind, you fucking think it's a bad idea? Did your mother drop you on your head at birth? For al we know it could be in a good will ambassador role representing the organization. A way for Mara to an important piece of Giant history connected to the team. I don't know if that is the thinking
how blindly loyal the sheep are. It's like the Hanlon youth here. But that's part of the fun.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
You can see two sides to this. Having the old Hall of Fame coach lurking over the 38-year old's shoulder... not literally of course, but he would be a presence.
At the same time, Coughlin does like to scout.
That's my fear. We have a new leader, and I don't want anything that could even psychologically undermine his leadership.
Getting divorced and remarried and hoping your ex wife would get over it and stick around to help your new marriage work.
While a funny analogy, that's a little extreme. MacAdoo speaks highly of Coughlin as a mentor.
But I also agree a year or two away from the Giants by TC would be healthy for MacAdoo. He needs the freedom to establish his own culture without worrying about what Coughlin might think, at least without him sitting in an office down the hall
because John Mara said no HC of the NYG ever had more say on personnel in his time with the team. We also know John Mara didn't fire Jerry Reese even though he clearly identified "the roster" as the biggest problem with the team. It's not really hard to connect the dots.
John Mara has an emotional attachment to Tom Coughlin. It makes perfect sense since Tom Coughlin won two Super Bowls and is the last link to Wellington. It makes no sense business wise at this point though.
As long as you don't have Coughlin integrated to the day-to-day
I don't see the problem. Give him a salary, set him up with a home office, have him go out and scout players. Basically an extension of the scouting staff.
I'm of the belief the Giants need more scouts, what better way to start building out a bit than hiring TC to oversee that.
You don't want his shadow casting over McAdoo. One year away, back as a consultant and a ring of fame ceremony and a cushy seat in the owners box every weekend.
how blindly loyal the sheep are. It's like the Hanlon youth here. But that's part of the fun.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Knucklehead post, how you pin the Roster primarily on TC quite a reach.
Since you know, Reese is in charge of that part of the team LOL
If he was connected to the team and the community.
Decision time has to be right about now because if he's going to help with personal he needs to get to the combine and take his customary 10 yd. split seat.
I guess some of you guys started watching football two years ago
how blindly loyal the sheep are. It's like the Hanlon youth here. But that's part of the fun.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Don't be an asshole. Like the coach or not he's a good man who brought you two of the best moments of your life if you are a Giants fan. There is no valid reason that you should have so much vitriol. He's gone.
but I will say this. I am not for or against the Giants keeping Tom in some capacity. However, he has more football knowledge than the rest of the posers in that front office combined.
because John Mara said no HC of the NYG ever had more say on personnel in his time with the team. We also know John Mara didn't fire Jerry Reese even though he clearly identified "the roster" as the biggest problem with the team. It's not really hard to connect the dots.
John Mara has an emotional attachment to Tom Coughlin. It makes perfect sense since Tom Coughlin won two Super Bowls and is the last link to Wellington. It makes no sense business wise at this point though.
LOL...You got a few facts wrong here Ace. No one let Coughlin go, he walked on his own. So its not a case that the owners decided to let him go and keep Reese like you have implied. I also love your parsing of what Mara stated regarding personal decisions, here let me help you out:
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"Jerry knows this is on him. I've had that discussion with him," Giants co-owner John Mara said. "He can't hide from the record. It's up to you to get it fixed because the last three years just were not acceptable."
"Well, obviously [the roster] was lacking in some talent otherwise we wouldn't be 6-10," Mara said. "We have a lot of holes to fill, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. You can't hide from your record and the record indicates we do not have enough championship-caliber players."
"But we had a few in there where we just haven't seen the production. You know, your core players are your third, fourth, fifth-year players and you look back at those draft classes and there are just not a lot of them playing right now."
Just thought I would help to clear up all the inaccuracies you have posted
Coughlin is done coaching. But my question to Couglin haters is, why do his final years carry so much more influence on your feelings for him than does the success he also enjoyed here.
Me thinks it is typical fandom that is influenced mostly by the last season, game, quarter or play they have witnessed
Fans tend to never see this flaw in their thinking. For proof read almost any game day thread and follow the overreaction and irrational display of emotion.
Wow. It's amazing what people want to believe when they want to believe.
So let's make sure I understand this correctly. Tom Coughlin "walked on his own" to Philadelphia and San Francisco to discuss coaching their teams? But he didn't want to coach the Giants anymore?
If anyone wondered why John Mara had that surreal press conference to pretend Tom Coughlin wasn't fired, the one where Tom Coughlin said he wasn't done coaching and would have fought for his job if the record was 7-9, we now know it was for the fools who can't accept reality and want desperately to believe what they want to believe.
Unreal what this site has become. Playing along with all the stupid, what kind of leader would McAdoo be if he let Coughlin, his former mentor, distract his, so called, leadership abilities. Is that the kind of leader you want then? Coughlin made a decision, a bad one no doubt, he was going to be aggressive in every game, he probably thought he needed to be with the shit talent he had on this team, and he blew games by being this way and stayed with it after losing games due to it. That is all that happened, he didn't forget how to manage the game clock, like morons think, he sold the team on this idea, never backed off and paid the price for it.
how blindly loyal the sheep are. It's like the Hanlon youth here. But that's part of the fun.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Don't be an asshole. Like the coach or not he's a good man who brought you two of the best moments of your life if you are a Giants fan. There is no valid reason that you should have so much vitriol. He's gone.
I simply do not understand the apparent hatred by some on this site for the man. It's over the top. If I weren't a Giants fan, my wish would be that some never see a SB appearance again. Maybe then they would understand and appreciate the guy's actual position in Giants' history.
Wow. It's amazing what people want to believe when they want to believe.
So let's make sure I understand this correctly. Tom Coughlin "walked on his own" to Philadelphia and San Francisco to discuss coaching their teams? But he didn't want to coach the Giants anymore?
If anyone wondered why John Mara had that surreal press conference to pretend Tom Coughlin wasn't fired, the one where Tom Coughlin said he wasn't done coaching and would have fought for his job if the record was 7-9, we now know it was for the fools who can't accept reality and want desperately to believe what they want to believe.
No you're correct, its much better to just sit here and speculate without any facts showing otherwise. That makes more sense then what everyone involved has stated. Your whole point has been one you have fabricated in your head, mixed in with a bunch of parsed and twisted claims over what was said. In other words its a fabrication of your own.
13 teams (almost 50% of the League) have NEVER won a SB
who have always hated Coughlin regardless of anything he did or accomplished. They did not want him hired, wanted him fired and do not want him anywhere near the team now. They are in the minority, and the people that count (the Maras) do not feel that way. Just the way it is.
Obviously Mara values his input. just as obviously, he's had a lot of input. And yet there are gaping holes all over this team.
time for a new group dynamic. One that doesn't include TC.
What are you? A Patriots fan?
Stupid person says stupid thing.
But it's certainly good to see arnie advertise his ignorance.
At the same time, Coughlin does like to scout.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that you aren't sharpest tool in the shed
If they wanted him around they should have kept him as coach.
FWIW, I don't believe Coughlin will continue with the Giants. Mara is trying to sound like the good guy here. I can see Coughlin doing some consulting for other teams, similar to what he did after Jacksonville.
You want to know a great job for him? Put him in charge of the rookie symposium. Have him i ln charge of something like character development across the NFL. This way he can visit all the teams and still have him teach these players how to be successful in football and life.
it is an all time low on BBI.
You want to know a great job for him? Put him in charge of the rookie symposium. Have him i ln charge of something like character development across the NFL. This way he can visit all the teams and still have him teach these players how to be successful in football and life.
this makes sense
Are the recent failures of this football team Tom Coughlin's fault? No clear answer, he was removed from his position as head coach but all of his coordinators and some other coaches from his staff were retained.
He can't be head coach anymore but he can work as a consultant, doing what?
Are the recent failures Jerry Reese's fault? How do we know? The head coach was fired but the man clearly in charge of shaping the roster keeps his job although the owner is quick to tell you that the problems are all rooted in personnel.
Was Ben McAdoo really the first choice to take over? We don't know because we waited a week to hire him and let the Eagles talk to him as well.
I think there are alot of half measures taking place as well as talking from both sides of the mouth.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
At the same time, Coughlin does like to scout.
That's my fear. We have a new leader, and I don't want anything that could even psychologically undermine his leadership.
While a funny analogy, that's a little extreme. MacAdoo speaks highly of Coughlin as a mentor.
But I also agree a year or two away from the Giants by TC would be healthy for MacAdoo. He needs the freedom to establish his own culture without worrying about what Coughlin might think, at least without him sitting in an office down the hall
Obviously Mara values his input. just as obviously, he's had a lot of input. And yet there are gaping holes all over this team.
time for a new group dynamic. One that doesn't include TC.
How do you know what his input was/will be? The answer is, you don't.
Reese, puts the players out there.
John Mara has an emotional attachment to Tom Coughlin. It makes perfect sense since Tom Coughlin won two Super Bowls and is the last link to Wellington. It makes no sense business wise at this point though.
I'm of the belief the Giants need more scouts, what better way to start building out a bit than hiring TC to oversee that.
If you want to rehire Tom, reach out to him privately. Stop all the grandstanding in the press.
arnie, seriously. Kill yourself. Or at least go root for another team.
If you want to rehire Tom, reach out to him privately. Stop all the grandstanding in the press.
I agree. TC probably told him to pound sand anyway
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Knucklehead post, how you pin the Roster primarily on TC quite a reach.
Since you know, Reese is in charge of that part of the team LOL
As John said you'd hate to let all that knowledge and experience walk out the door.
Decision time has to be right about now because if he's going to help with personal he needs to get to the combine and take his customary 10 yd. split seat.
Asinine comments above aside Mara wanting to keep him seems to me like a "we can still be friends" attempt. If I'm TC I'd say thanks but no thanks.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Don't be an asshole. Like the coach or not he's a good man who brought you two of the best moments of your life if you are a Giants fan. There is no valid reason that you should have so much vitriol. He's gone.
Yet another classless douche bag
John Mara has an emotional attachment to Tom Coughlin. It makes perfect sense since Tom Coughlin won two Super Bowls and is the last link to Wellington. It makes no sense business wise at this point though.
LOL...You got a few facts wrong here Ace. No one let Coughlin go, he walked on his own. So its not a case that the owners decided to let him go and keep Reese like you have implied. I also love your parsing of what Mara stated regarding personal decisions, here let me help you out:
"Well, obviously [the roster] was lacking in some talent otherwise we wouldn't be 6-10," Mara said. "We have a lot of holes to fill, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. You can't hide from your record and the record indicates we do not have enough championship-caliber players."
"But we had a few in there where we just haven't seen the production. You know, your core players are your third, fourth, fifth-year players and you look back at those draft classes and there are just not a lot of them playing right now."
Just thought I would help to clear up all the inaccuracies you have posted
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hopefully it doesn't happen.
Having good leaders around your team isn't a bad thing, dipshit.
I really like Randy because of the flying and the magic.
Me thinks it is typical fandom that is influenced mostly by the last season, game, quarter or play they have witnessed
Fans tend to never see this flaw in their thinking. For proof read almost any game day thread and follow the overreaction and irrational display of emotion.
So let's make sure I understand this correctly. Tom Coughlin "walked on his own" to Philadelphia and San Francisco to discuss coaching their teams? But he didn't want to coach the Giants anymore?
If anyone wondered why John Mara had that surreal press conference to pretend Tom Coughlin wasn't fired, the one where Tom Coughlin said he wasn't done coaching and would have fought for his job if the record was 7-9, we now know it was for the fools who can't accept reality and want desperately to believe what they want to believe.
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how blindly loyal the sheep are. It's like the Hanlon youth here. But that's part of the fun.
Let's forget for a minute that Tom Coughlin was one of the very worst coaches in the NFL the last 3 1/2 years and that he was a major reason if not the number 1 reason the Giants roster is a mess.
Who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to keep around the guy you just fired in the same building with the guy he replaced and many of the same employees and co workers? Especially when the guy who got the job was on the staff of the guy you just fired? How is that going to make the new guy comfortable? What business would do that? What CEO would think that's a good idea? What board of directors would sign off on that?
I get it some of you just can't get enough of Teflon Tom and his Bells of St Mary/Father O'Malley act. But his time has passed. Put him in the Ring of Honor, get him out of the building and move on.
Don't be an asshole. Like the coach or not he's a good man who brought you two of the best moments of your life if you are a Giants fan. There is no valid reason that you should have so much vitriol. He's gone.
I simply do not understand the apparent hatred by some on this site for the man. It's over the top. If I weren't a Giants fan, my wish would be that some never see a SB appearance again. Maybe then they would understand and appreciate the guy's actual position in Giants' history.
So let's make sure I understand this correctly. Tom Coughlin "walked on his own" to Philadelphia and San Francisco to discuss coaching their teams? But he didn't want to coach the Giants anymore?
If anyone wondered why John Mara had that surreal press conference to pretend Tom Coughlin wasn't fired, the one where Tom Coughlin said he wasn't done coaching and would have fought for his job if the record was 7-9, we now know it was for the fools who can't accept reality and want desperately to believe what they want to believe.
No you're correct, its much better to just sit here and speculate without any facts showing otherwise. That makes more sense then what everyone involved has stated. Your whole point has been one you have fabricated in your head, mixed in with a bunch of parsed and twisted claims over what was said. In other words its a fabrication of your own.