Great AD? He let the NCAA stick it up his ass with sanctions and then goes on to hire a head coach with no experience at one of the most prestigious football programs in America. He was good at raising money. He did little for the athletic programs and there are many at the university who are very happy to see he is stepping down. Most wish he would have stepped down before hiring Clay Helton. Time will tell. Pat is a good man,not a "great" AD.
Great AD? He let the NCAA stick it up his ass with sanctions and then goes on to hire a head coach with no experience at one of the most prestigious football programs in America. He was good at raising money. He did little for the athletic programs and there are many at the university who are very happy to see he is stepping down. Most wish he would have stepped down before hiring Clay Helton. Time will tell. Pat is a good man,not a "great" AD.
Mook is an ND fan, hence a great AD to him. Just like Snyder is a great owner to us.
As a USC fan, it's maddening that he had the authority Â
To choose the next head coach. The writing has been on the wall that Haden would step down amid health problems etc. They have to get a better hire than Clay Helton for that program. Everything about that hire including the timing of it doesn't sit well with me. If they lost to UCLA, I have a hard time thinking they go with him. It seemed to me they decided their future off of one game.
Who knows though? I was skeptical about the Enfield hire and that seems to be working out now. The basketball team is fun to watch right now. Maybe the only good decision Haden made as an AD. Agree with Marty, good man but not a great AD to say the least.
I know you are a Syracuse ex player but I am curious about USC being a "violation factory". I am curious to know what violations that you are aware of that are definitely true?
Marty866b : 2/5/2016 11:29 pm : link : reply
I know you are a Syracuse ex player but I am curious about USC being a "violation factory". I am curious to know what violations that you are aware of that are definitely true?
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Cannot answer for B in Alb or anyone else even remotely involved with Syracuse, but I can attest to the fact that USC had been a "violation factory" long before Haden took over as AD in 2010. Let's see, any violations involving Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo or Pete Carroll? Sure...
There was information in the record that the former head football coach encouraged sports marketer A to hire student-athletes as interns. A current NFLPA certified agent ("sports agent B") is the chairman of a sports agency and a colleague of sports marketer A. He reported that the former head football coach asked sports marketer A to consider hiring football student-athletes as interns in his agency. Sports agent B reported:
(Sports marketer A) was like, `yeah, here's (the former head football coach) and the year before, he, he's tryin' to get me to hire, you know, three players, you know.'
...How many players, I don't even know, maybe he tried to get him to hire ten....but it was totally agreed upon between (the former head football coach) and (sports marketer A) that there was an internship program for that summer. That's all I do know.
At the hearing, the former head coach denied that he asked sports marketer A to hire football student-athletes as interns, although he acknowledged that he knew sports marketer A and that he (sports marketer A) had "something about his past the years before that had gone wrong . . . (and) it was related to the NFL." [Note: At the hearing the institution's general counsel reported that, in 1995, sports marketer A had "pleaded guilty to mail fraud for defrauding the NFL."]
We've confirmed that "Sports Marketer A" is Michael Ornstein, who made millions in marketing dollars for Reggie Bush and did, according to this article written by Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson and Jason Cole, hire Bush as a summer intern, earning the princely sum of $8 per hour. Yahoo's timeline then outlines how Ornstein advised Bush on potential agents, which sounds a lot like the kind of thing that cost Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant most of his 2009 season, with Ornstein ostensibly playing the part of Deion Sanders. (Note: Bush fired Ornstein in late 2006). And in that Robinson/Cole article, there's the first brush of the problems that have now come home to roost:
The benefits, which could lead to NCAA sanctions for USC and retroactively cost Bush his college eligibility and Heisman, were supplied by two groups attempting to woo Bush as a client. Current Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein and one of Ornstein's employees were involved. So were Michael Michaels and Lloyd Lake, who attempted to launch an agency called New Era Sports & Entertainment, pursuing Bush as their first client.
Bush declined comment to Yahoo! Sports, and Ornstein denied any wrongdoing on his and Bush's behalf.
But documents and on-the-record interviews with sources close to the situation reveal that Bush and his family appear to have received financial benefits from Ornstein and a business associate.
If the charges in the Infractions Report are correct, it's tough to dispute that Carroll was skirting the truth. And if Carroll not only knew about allegedly inappropriate dealings with marketing companies possibly attached to agents, but helped to establish those relationships — well, yikes. And that's what the report makes it sound like. We don't know who "sports marketer B" is, but at this point, things just get weirder.
More from the report (pg. 31):
In the spring of 2005, sports marketer B contacted the associate director of athletics to determine if student-athletes would be interested in an internship with his (sports marketer B's) agency. [Note: sports marketer B and the associate director of athletics had been at another NCAA member institution at the same time and were acquainted with each other both there and subsequently in Los Angeles] The associate director of athletics confirmed that sports marketer B contacted him about employing student-athletes in paid internships at the agency. Ultimately, three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, worked as interns at the agency in the summer of 2005.
The former director of compliance confirmed the associate director of athletics' account of how the internships came about and added:
. . . it was initially set up while I was there, and the talk was it was gonna be a continuing thing . . . to offer the opportunity to USC student-athletes.
And finally, the NCAA's problem with the way this was handled (student-athlete 1 is pretty obviously Bush):
It is permissible to hire student-athletes, as long as the circumstances under which they are hired, work and are paid comport with NCAA legislation. In this instance, the circumstances under which the three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, were hired constituted a special arrangement made through the sports marketing agency and the institution's athletics department. Despite sports marketer B's claim to the contrary, there is no evidence that the internship positions provided to the USC student-athletes in the summer of 2005 were solicited externally. USC student-athletes and only USC student-athletes were hired for these positions. The circumstances surrounding the hiring of these student-athletes made sports marketers A and B, as well as their agency, representatives of the institution's athletics interests. This, in turn, gave rise to a heightened institutional responsibility to assess and monitor the employment situation and the relationship between student-athlete 1 and sports marketers A and B.
This leads right back to what could be the smoking gun in Pete Carroll's hand — per the same report, Carroll was going out of his way to try and provide internships, and possible agent opportunities, outside the NCAA's preferred ways of doing things. With two marketing agents involved, it's not known whether Carroll's involvement led directly to any hiring or possible illegal agent communication. But the larger issue expressed by the NCAA — a lack of institutional control — seems to have this at its root.
Thanks for giving me the history of items I am fully aware of. Please show me the proof that USC had any knowledge of what Reggie Bush and his ex stepfather were doing? Also, let's see how Todd McNair's lawsuit against the NCAA which has EVERYTHING to do with this case turns out. So far, the courts have thrown out every attempt by the NCAA to dismiss the case. BTW,Pete Carroll had nothing or knew nothing about illegal benefits to Reggie Bush. How do I know this? Because I do.
Also, what went on at USC is nothing to what went on at Miami,UNC,and other programs. The difference was the sanctions that were handed out which the punishment were unjust.
Mook is an ND fan, hence a great AD to him. Just like Snyder is a great owner to us.
Who knows though? I was skeptical about the Enfield hire and that seems to be working out now. The basketball team is fun to watch right now. Maybe the only good decision Haden made as an AD. Agree with Marty, good man but not a great AD to say the least.
I am truly saddened by his departure.
I know you are a Syracuse ex player but I am curious about USC being a "violation factory". I am curious to know what violations that you are aware of that are definitely true?
________
Cannot answer for B in Alb or anyone else even remotely involved with Syracuse, but I can attest to the fact that USC had been a "violation factory" long before Haden took over as AD in 2010. Let's see, any violations involving Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo or Pete Carroll? Sure...
There was information in the record that the former head football coach encouraged sports marketer A to hire student-athletes as interns. A current NFLPA certified agent ("sports agent B") is the chairman of a sports agency and a colleague of sports marketer A. He reported that the former head football coach asked sports marketer A to consider hiring football student-athletes as interns in his agency. Sports agent B reported:
(Sports marketer A) was like, `yeah, here's (the former head football coach) and the year before, he, he's tryin' to get me to hire, you know, three players, you know.'
...How many players, I don't even know, maybe he tried to get him to hire ten....but it was totally agreed upon between (the former head football coach) and (sports marketer A) that there was an internship program for that summer. That's all I do know.
At the hearing, the former head coach denied that he asked sports marketer A to hire football student-athletes as interns, although he acknowledged that he knew sports marketer A and that he (sports marketer A) had "something about his past the years before that had gone wrong . . . (and) it was related to the NFL." [Note: At the hearing the institution's general counsel reported that, in 1995, sports marketer A had "pleaded guilty to mail fraud for defrauding the NFL."]
We've confirmed that "Sports Marketer A" is Michael Ornstein, who made millions in marketing dollars for Reggie Bush and did, according to this article written by Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson and Jason Cole, hire Bush as a summer intern, earning the princely sum of $8 per hour. Yahoo's timeline then outlines how Ornstein advised Bush on potential agents, which sounds a lot like the kind of thing that cost Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant most of his 2009 season, with Ornstein ostensibly playing the part of Deion Sanders. (Note: Bush fired Ornstein in late 2006). And in that Robinson/Cole article, there's the first brush of the problems that have now come home to roost:
The benefits, which could lead to NCAA sanctions for USC and retroactively cost Bush his college eligibility and Heisman, were supplied by two groups attempting to woo Bush as a client. Current Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein and one of Ornstein's employees were involved. So were Michael Michaels and Lloyd Lake, who attempted to launch an agency called New Era Sports & Entertainment, pursuing Bush as their first client.
Bush declined comment to Yahoo! Sports, and Ornstein denied any wrongdoing on his and Bush's behalf.
But documents and on-the-record interviews with sources close to the situation reveal that Bush and his family appear to have received financial benefits from Ornstein and a business associate.
If the charges in the Infractions Report are correct, it's tough to dispute that Carroll was skirting the truth. And if Carroll not only knew about allegedly inappropriate dealings with marketing companies possibly attached to agents, but helped to establish those relationships — well, yikes. And that's what the report makes it sound like. We don't know who "sports marketer B" is, but at this point, things just get weirder.
More from the report (pg. 31):
In the spring of 2005, sports marketer B contacted the associate director of athletics to determine if student-athletes would be interested in an internship with his (sports marketer B's) agency. [Note: sports marketer B and the associate director of athletics had been at another NCAA member institution at the same time and were acquainted with each other both there and subsequently in Los Angeles] The associate director of athletics confirmed that sports marketer B contacted him about employing student-athletes in paid internships at the agency. Ultimately, three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, worked as interns at the agency in the summer of 2005.
The former director of compliance confirmed the associate director of athletics' account of how the internships came about and added:
. . . it was initially set up while I was there, and the talk was it was gonna be a continuing thing . . . to offer the opportunity to USC student-athletes.
And finally, the NCAA's problem with the way this was handled (student-athlete 1 is pretty obviously Bush):
It is permissible to hire student-athletes, as long as the circumstances under which they are hired, work and are paid comport with NCAA legislation. In this instance, the circumstances under which the three student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, were hired constituted a special arrangement made through the sports marketing agency and the institution's athletics department. Despite sports marketer B's claim to the contrary, there is no evidence that the internship positions provided to the USC student-athletes in the summer of 2005 were solicited externally. USC student-athletes and only USC student-athletes were hired for these positions. The circumstances surrounding the hiring of these student-athletes made sports marketers A and B, as well as their agency, representatives of the institution's athletics interests. This, in turn, gave rise to a heightened institutional responsibility to assess and monitor the employment situation and the relationship between student-athlete 1 and sports marketers A and B.
This leads right back to what could be the smoking gun in Pete Carroll's hand — per the same report, Carroll was going out of his way to try and provide internships, and possible agent opportunities, outside the NCAA's preferred ways of doing things. With two marketing agents involved, it's not known whether Carroll's involvement led directly to any hiring or possible illegal agent communication. But the larger issue expressed by the NCAA — a lack of institutional control — seems to have this at its root.
Also, what went on at USC is nothing to what went on at Miami,UNC,and other programs. The difference was the sanctions that were handed out which the punishment were unjust.