He is still a fricken rookie, he is not a go to player, no matter how much you want to prop him up he is not that player yet...
There are people here that want him to get shots over Carmelo...
When he is the superstar of this team he will get those shots, and when he can create his own shot, until then he will get shots off pick and pops and stuff like that but they are not going to just give him the ball and say go get a shot...he doesn't have that game yet..
ala old Melo in key moments this yr while Melo has been much better
I will forever believe the 'end of clock iso' play, whether that's a 1-4 or post-iso is the laziest offensive strategy there is. We know ball movement gets better shots so we decide in advance to NOT pass? Obv different when it's a scoring / playmaking PG but for a team like us, or even in the mind of the Melo or AA scorer, why don't THEY realize there's a better shot FOR THEMSELVES off a PnR or some pick / movement?
It's a bball 101 playcall at every level but never made sense to me
That said IMO it wasn't an awful shot / relatively open, but not my fav strategy (adding the height adv Green has). FWIW postgamers are going back and forth too...
He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
And if it went in are you complaining about the shot?
RE: RE: RE: RE: AA perception of himself is not a reality
He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
And if it went in are you complaining about the shot?
Yes to some degree because it's not his game. If he makes it great but it isn't the best utilization of him is my point.
He absolutely hot some clutch shots down the end, while Kris had two big turnovers (alley-oop, Green steal) and has a tendency to make some bad passes from time-to-time.
What did people expect from this team? Now's not the time to lose the patience we've had no choice but to employ. i take over AA over JR every time.
is he's our best O-rebounder / 2nd chance putback guy. Part of the call does include crashing the boards there, so while you don't get HIM the shot, he's being allowed to attack in a way he's good at...
Not an excuse but I think people assume it's easy to just throw him the ball and let him go. Its not and it shows esp vs good Ds. He often loses it, gets rooted out, defender tips it (also our Gs fault). Happened a lot tonight aside from fumbling boards, some putbacks, even rim attacks off the dribble
He has to improve his hand strength a ton in the offseason, aside from just ball handling in traffic / post. He's great at it for 7'3" but not good enough for an NBA big yet
I didn't think it was a particularly good shot by AA,
But look at those final 2 plays. On both those plays KP has an infinitely better look than Afflalo, which means in his mind, he was taking those shots no matter what. Afflalo is a much better shooter when the play is designed for him, or the ball is being fed to him. He was willfully trying to create his own shot both times. I don't think the ball should be in his hands to CREATE that shot. Just my humble opinion.
When one team is allowed to be physical and the other can't, NBA officiating at its finest, Zach Randolph shoved porzingis on defense then shoved him on offense no call but of course let's call tricky tack shit on the knicks...
The three second call pissed me off the most. Two minutes left. Lopez had just stepped out as the whistle blew and it was a quick whistle anyway.
I have not followed his injuries this year but it seems from afar this is going to be an issue for the duration.
If so does that limit the attractiveness of playing with him?
They should really think about moving him if possible- not because he isn't good but because this may be the last window where he has value at his contract -
But if this was the playoffs he'd be playing (albeit possibly a bit diminished to to low grade injury). However, if you got a Westbrook or Durant in UFA after next season, Melo would be the #2, and therefore wouldnt have to work as hard.
It's a totally fair question though. Any UFA looking at coming here "to play with Melo" is going to be told in every other meeting that Melo is old and on the way down. IMO he has a lot of good basketball left in him. But no more scoring title.
The *potential* of Melo attracting a top flite FA (to which I really don't assign a very high probability) still outweighs what you'll haul in a trade.
The problem is that anyone who'd be interested is a contender or borderline contender. So you're talking about late picks and young-but-non-premier players.
RE: Is melo going to be 80 game healthy ever again?
I have not followed his injuries this year but it seems from afar this is going to be an issue for the duration.
If so does that limit the attractiveness of playing with him?
They should really think about moving him if possible- not because he isn't good but because this may be the last window where he has value at his contract -
I was thinking about this last night. I don't think it is out of the question, but they are going to have to start managing his minutes at some point.
The best comparison would be a guy like Dwyane Wade. Go back to last year and Wade didn't look like he was ever going to be even a 70 game per year guy. This year they have done a really good job of managing his minutes, he's a little over 30 minutes per night, and thus far he has only missed 2 games I believe. Who knows, there is a lot of season left, and he could still have stretch where he misses a bunch of games, but so far the lower minutes seem to be helping.
Keep in mind, Wade is a couple of years older than Melo so they don't need to go all the way down to 30 minutes per game with him, but they should start considering the idea of him not being a 35 minute per night guy anymore.
There are people here that want him to get shots over Carmelo...
When he is the superstar of this team he will get those shots, and when he can create his own shot, until then he will get shots off pick and pops and stuff like that but they are not going to just give him the ball and say go get a shot...he doesn't have that game yet..
I will forever believe the 'end of clock iso' play, whether that's a 1-4 or post-iso is the laziest offensive strategy there is. We know ball movement gets better shots so we decide in advance to NOT pass? Obv different when it's a scoring / playmaking PG but for a team like us, or even in the mind of the Melo or AA scorer, why don't THEY realize there's a better shot FOR THEMSELVES off a PnR or some pick / movement?
It's a bball 101 playcall at every level but never made sense to me
That said IMO it wasn't an awful shot / relatively open, but not my fav strategy (adding the height adv Green has). FWIW postgamers are going back and forth too...
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He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
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He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
And if it went in are you complaining about the shot?
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He just hit two big shots, are you really mad he took that shot or you mad it didn't go in?
Yes. He scored off set shots. That's his game. The same issues that he ran into Denver and Orlando is when he tries to be a pull up shooter. It's not his game.
And if it went in are you complaining about the shot?
Yes to some degree because it's not his game. If he makes it great but it isn't the best utilization of him is my point.
What did people expect from this team? Now's not the time to lose the patience we've had no choice but to employ. i take over AA over JR every time.
Not an excuse but I think people assume it's easy to just throw him the ball and let him go. Its not and it shows esp vs good Ds. He often loses it, gets rooted out, defender tips it (also our Gs fault). Happened a lot tonight aside from fumbling boards, some putbacks, even rim attacks off the dribble
He has to improve his hand strength a ton in the offseason, aside from just ball handling in traffic / post. He's great at it for 7'3" but not good enough for an NBA big yet
- Gallo's moronic foul
- Lopez' unnecessary foul
- Calderon misses wide open 3/Zingus turns ball over after refusing to shoot wide open 3
- Gallo's moronic foul
- Lopez' unnecessary foul
- Calderon misses wide open 3/Zingus turns ball over after refusing to shoot wide open 3
Good call. Add Zingis' missed oop dunk when JC finally made a solid lob. Much more than just the last shot
The three second call pissed me off the most. Two minutes left. Lopez had just stepped out as the whistle blew and it was a quick whistle anyway.
If so does that limit the attractiveness of playing with him?
They should really think about moving him if possible- not because he isn't good but because this may be the last window where he has value at his contract -
It's a totally fair question though. Any UFA looking at coming here "to play with Melo" is going to be told in every other meeting that Melo is old and on the way down. IMO he has a lot of good basketball left in him. But no more scoring title.
The problem is that anyone who'd be interested is a contender or borderline contender. So you're talking about late picks and young-but-non-premier players.
If so does that limit the attractiveness of playing with him?
They should really think about moving him if possible- not because he isn't good but because this may be the last window where he has value at his contract -
I was thinking about this last night. I don't think it is out of the question, but they are going to have to start managing his minutes at some point.
The best comparison would be a guy like Dwyane Wade. Go back to last year and Wade didn't look like he was ever going to be even a 70 game per year guy. This year they have done a really good job of managing his minutes, he's a little over 30 minutes per night, and thus far he has only missed 2 games I believe. Who knows, there is a lot of season left, and he could still have stretch where he misses a bunch of games, but so far the lower minutes seem to be helping.
Keep in mind, Wade is a couple of years older than Melo so they don't need to go all the way down to 30 minutes per game with him, but they should start considering the idea of him not being a 35 minute per night guy anymore.