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Just Saw Dungy and Harrison made HOF

Essex : 2/6/2016 8:18 pm
I really just don't get Dungy. His supporters will point to his win percentage record in two spots, but who doesn't have a good win percentage with a historic defense and Peyton Manning as QB. The fact that he only made one Super Bowl with Peyton (Denver has made two with him) and that TB won the Super Bowl the year after he left, speaks volumes that he was not an elite coach. Don't get it.
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Danny Kanell : 2/6/2016 8:21 pm : link
Tony Dungy as a HOF coach is laughable.
that 02 bucs team was his team  
mirwin : 2/6/2016 8:22 pm : link
when dungys guys left the bucs succed. Gruden gets way too much hype from bbi. Dungy really should get more credit for the 02 bucs and 09 colts. If you really think Jim Caldwell deserves that credit you need a straight jacket.
Dungy a HoFer?  
B in ALB : 2/6/2016 8:28 pm : link
Wow. Who's next? Brian Billick?
Dungy's HOF bust needs to look like  
Jimmy Googs : 2/6/2016 8:30 pm : link
Peyton Manning...
Have to wonder  
Beezer : 2/6/2016 8:34 pm : link
how much of the vote was based on his career after coaching.

I realize that sounds ridiculous. But perception is that he's a good guy. Perception can sway opinion.
I was never impressed with dungy as a coach  
Larry in Pencilvania : 2/6/2016 8:38 pm : link
If HopeJ were here she'd go on a tirade about how lousy a father he was. I just don't see it
If Dungy made it Coughlin is a lock  
NY-Fan : 2/6/2016 8:44 pm : link
No way in hell you can put Dungy in and not Coughlin.
RE: If Dungy made it Coughlin is a lock  
mfsd : 2/6/2016 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12803560 NY-Fan said:
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No way in hell you can put Dungy in and not Coughlin.


That was my reaction. If Dungy is in, I don't want to hear a single reporter question Coughlins credentials
Payback from the Oscars,,  
Jim Burt64 : 2/6/2016 9:02 pm : link
Kidding aside.. thats a joke
Harrison  
Toth029 : 2/6/2016 9:05 pm : link
Over Owens, huh.
I think they both have  
Shadow : 2/6/2016 9:07 pm : link
CTE some of the the stuff they say.
Here we go:  
ChathamMark : 2/6/2016 9:09 pm : link
The ProFootballHOF Class of 2016: Brett Farve, Tony Dungy, Kevin Greene, Marvin Harrison, Orlando Pace, Eddie DeBartolo (contributor) ...
TO  
spike : 2/6/2016 9:13 pm : link
Got robbed
TO should have been a lock  
timintey : 2/6/2016 9:14 pm : link
Definitely over Harrison
TO was robbed...  
Chris in Philly : 2/6/2016 9:20 pm : link
and Dungy is a joke.
Just looking at Dungy's numbers  
bluepepper : 2/6/2016 9:35 pm : link
he coached 13 years, winning % of .668 is 12th best all time. All the guys ahead of him are in HOF except a few who coached less than 10 years. Closest analogy is George Allen who coached 12 years at .712 but never won a Super Bowl. If Allen is in (he is), Dungy has a strong case. George Seifert belongs on this basis as well - .648 with 2 SB's. I've been mystified by Seifert's failure to even gain serious consideration, maybe this will improve his chances.


If Dungy made it  
est1986 : 2/6/2016 9:37 pm : link
TC is a no-brainer
Great coaches  
weeg in the bronx : 2/6/2016 9:40 pm : link
Don't have losing playoff records.
RE: Just looking at Dungy's numbers  
mirwin : 2/6/2016 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12803597 bluepepper said:
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he coached 13 years, winning % of .668 is 12th best all time. All the guys ahead of him are in HOF except a few who coached less than 10 years. Closest analogy is George Allen who coached 12 years at .712 but never won a Super Bowl. If Allen is in (he is), Dungy has a strong case. George Seifert belongs on this basis as well - .648 with 2 SB's. I've been mystified by Seifert's failure to even gain serious consideration, maybe this will improve his chances.




people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.
This is good news.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/6/2016 9:48 pm : link
If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.
*an absolute lock.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/6/2016 9:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: Just looking at Dungy's numbers  
bluepepper : 2/6/2016 9:50 pm : link
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people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.

Sat in Walsh's seat for 8 years and won 75% of his games. Kinda think he was probably doing some coaching of his own. I remember very well what happened here when somebody sat in Bill Parcells seat. It's just not that easy.
RE: RE: RE: Just looking at Dungy's numbers  
mirwin : 2/6/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12803608 bluepepper said:
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people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.


Sat in Walsh's seat for 8 years and won 75% of his games. Kinda think he was probably doing some coaching of his own. I remember very well what happened here when somebody sat in Bill Parcells seat. It's just not that easy.


having some of the greatest players ever probably helped.
lets name a few shall we?
montana, youg, craig, rice, rathman, john taylor, brent jones, wesley walls, guy mcintyre, harris barton, Jesse Sapolu, matt millin, jim burt, kevin fagan, michael carter, pierce holt, keith delong, charles haley, bill romanowski, ronnie lott, mike cofer, ted washington, ricky waters, tim harris, thane gash, eric davis, dana stubblefield, ken norton, gary plummer, charles mann, richard dent, deion sanders, toi cook, tyronne drakeford, bart oates, bryant young, tommy vardell, terry kirby, adrian cooper, chris doleman,

lets look at the coaches he had

pete Carroll, mike solari, rathman, matt cavanaugh, marc trestman, mike shanahan, gary kubiak, ray rhodes, jeff fisher, jon gruden, mike holmgren.

if you dont think John McVays front office was the reason for seiferts success you are nuts.

why did he do so poorly when he went on a lesser team i mean if he was so good he should've done better than 1-15, no?
Dungy.....  
Dry Lightning : 2/6/2016 10:20 pm : link
why the fuck is he in? One bullshit SB win against a shitty Bears team and years of stupid TV work.
This stuff is decided by the press.  
an_idol_mind : 2/6/2016 10:27 pm : link
Dungy has a lot of buddies in the media, so he gets in. Incidentally, that's one of the reasons I don't think Coughlin will get in. The media cares more about rewarding their buddies and holding petty grudges than actually judging football talent.
Meanwhile...  
bw in dc : 2/6/2016 10:33 pm : link
a superior coach continues to get shafted - Jimmy Johnson.

He basically won three SBs - does anyone really give Switzer credit for '95? - and built a dynasty.

Dungy was a good coach. But that shouldn't be good enough, and certainly clears a path for Gruden, Coughlin, etc...
RE: This stuff is decided by the press.  
Jim Burt64 : 2/6/2016 10:49 pm : link
In comment 12803638 an_idol_mind said:
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Dungy has a lot of buddies in the media, so he gets in. Incidentally, that's one of the reasons I don't think Coughlin will get in. The media cares more about rewarding their buddies and holding petty grudges than actually judging football talent.


True in every aspect of like, from Politics, Corp America to Pop Warner... Salesmen & con artists win. Its troubling to me how people will follow a personality v substance / pragmatism.
RE: RE: This stuff is decided by the press.  
Jim Burt64 : 2/6/2016 10:49 pm : link
In comment 12803674 Jim Burt64 said:
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In comment 12803638 an_idol_mind said:

*life
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Dungy has a lot of buddies in the media, so he gets in. Incidentally, that's one of the reasons I don't think Coughlin will get in. The media cares more about rewarding their buddies and holding petty grudges than actually judging football talent.



True in every aspect of like, from Politics, Corp America to Pop Warner... Salesmen & con artists win. Its troubling to me how people will follow a personality v substance / pragmatism.
RE: Dungy.....  
Blackbeard : 2/6/2016 11:48 pm : link
In comment 12803629 Dry Lightning said:
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why the fuck is he in? One bullshit SB win against a shitty Bears team and years of stupid TV work.


You have nailed it!
Dungy  
KWALL2 : 2/7/2016 1:53 am : link
Wow.
RE: This is good news.  
j_rud : 2/7/2016 2:14 am : link
In comment 12803605 Dave in Hoboken said:
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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.


Had the exact same initial reaction
TC is not a lock.  
SHO'NUFF : 2/7/2016 2:41 am : link
TC doesn't have the same warm and fuzzy relationship with the media, as previously mentioned...but also, his QB does not get any love from the media.
The media loves Peyton,  
SHO'NUFF : 2/7/2016 2:42 am : link
therefore, the media loves Dungy.
RE: TC is not a lock.  
j_rud : 2/7/2016 3:27 am : link
In comment 12803728 SHO'NUFF said:
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TC doesn't have the same warm and fuzzy relationship with the media, as previously mentioned...but also, his QB does not get any love from the media.


i agree, it was more sarcasm directed towards Dungy than actually believing that. Im not that old but I've seen enough to know that nothing is a lock when it comes to voting committees,cespecially when journalists are involved.
Eli in a few more seasons  
spike : 2/7/2016 6:45 am : link
and Coughlin will be both in.
Dungy has one more big accomplishment.  
FStubbs : 2/7/2016 7:30 am : link
Inventing the cover-4 defense. I think that's the thing that makes him HoF worthy, as it changed the way the game was played.
RE: RE: This is good news.  
Essex : 2/7/2016 8:45 am : link
In comment 12803721 j_rud said:
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In comment 12803605 Dave in Hoboken said:


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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.



Had the exact same initial reaction


I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.

With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.
Dungy vs. Marty Schottenheimer  
SLIM_ : 2/7/2016 8:59 am : link
Both great regular season records and poor playoff records. One gets crucified - one is beloved. The coach who gets crucified lost almost every year to HOF quarterbacks (Elway, Kelly, Brady, etc - full disclosure he had an aging HOF Montana during a couple of those years). The other coach LOST with a HOF quarterback.

Why the different treatment. I'm sorry but the answer is pretty easy - in fact it is black and white....

That's the reality. Anyone who thinks differently has their head in the sand.
and  
SLIM_ : 2/7/2016 8:59 am : link
DeBartolo was a cheat.
eventually  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2016 9:05 am : link
someone will wake up and give the serious consideration to Tiki that he rightfully deserves.
RE: RE: RE: This is good news.  
terz22 : 2/7/2016 9:40 am : link
In comment 12803764 Essex said:
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In comment 12803605 Dave in Hoboken said:


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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.



Had the exact same initial reaction



I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.

With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.


Peyton really does help especially in Caldwells case 14-2, 10-6 with peyton a .750 win %. 2-14 the year he got hurt. Yikes
Dungy Is In  
Trainmaster : 2/7/2016 10:50 am : link
and Jimmy Johnson isn't? WTF?

I also agree Owens over Harrison.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2016 10:52 am : link
Wow. But hey, he beat Rex Grossman with Peyton Manning so I guess he's got that.
RE: RE: RE: This is good news.  
SHO'NUFF : 2/7/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12803764 Essex said:
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In comment 12803721 j_rud said:


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In comment 12803605 Dave in Hoboken said:


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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.



Had the exact same initial reaction



I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.

With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.


This argument doesn't bode well for Eli. The regular season win % and playoff berths are not in his favor. If Dungy has a high win % because of a HOF QB, and Coughlin doesn't have a high win %, is it because he didn't have a HOF QB?
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bluepepper : 2/7/2016 11:49 am : link
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Wow. But hey, he beat Rex Grossman with Peyton Manning so I guess he's got that.

Actually, he beat a 13-3 team that finished 2nd in league in scoring and 3rd in league in points allowed. Interesting thought though. "So-and so won the Super Bowl but his opponent that year wasn't that good so it should count less". And beating NE/Brady in an AFC championship game isn't as impressive as beating them in a Super Bowl - how would Indy ever beat NE in a Super Bowl?
dungy  
aceinthehouse : 2/7/2016 12:55 pm : link
Was a good coach
Maybe even very good.

Hof? You can make the argument either way.

There's probably 1 factor that got him in.
I think we all know what that is.

Specially as a coach.

My point is
Does dungy get in, if the year now was 1996, instead of 2016?

I don't think so, but who knows.

I will say this though.
He's a Hofer as a man and person though.
Great character and great human being, imo.

Hell, he should be in for that reason alone.
Specially when you consider that 1 factor I was talking about.
Dungy deserves to be in the HOF.  
compton : 2/7/2016 1:42 pm : link
He turned that Tampa team around and in the process revolutionized how defenses are played. He goes to the Colts and turned that team around and won the SB. Jimmy Johnson simply didn't coach long enough at a high level to be considered for the HOF. Dungy absolutely deserves to be in the HOF.
bluepepper  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2016 1:52 pm : link
How many times did the Colts fail in the playoffs under Dungy?

The guy has one title. That's not a Hall of Fame coaching career.
compton  
SLIM_ : 2/7/2016 1:58 pm : link
Did he really turn the Colts around. They finished 6-10 the year before he got there after going 13-3 and 10-6 the previous 2 years.

Eric  
bluepepper : 2/7/2016 2:22 pm : link
George Allen, Marv Levy, Bud Grant. All in HOF. Zero SB titles. Sid Gillman - one AFL title. Winning multiples is clearly not a requisite for HOF.
As many have said, this should all but cement Coughlin  
Matt M. : 2/7/2016 4:36 pm : link
as a HOF coach, for those who weren't sure.

As for Owens vs. Harrison, this is where I have a problem with caps on the number of people who can be elected each year. It is ridiculous (with MLB also). Either a guy is a HOFer or not. If he is, there should be no need to wait. You just vote for him.
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