I really just don't get Dungy. His supporters will point to his win percentage record in two spots, but who doesn't have a good win percentage with a historic defense and Peyton Manning as QB. The fact that he only made one Super Bowl with Peyton (Denver has made two with him) and that TB won the Super Bowl the year after he left, speaks volumes that he was not an elite coach. Don't get it.
I realize that sounds ridiculous. But perception is that he's a good guy. Perception can sway opinion.
That was my reaction. If Dungy is in, I don't want to hear a single reporter question Coughlins credentials
people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.
people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.
Sat in Walsh's seat for 8 years and won 75% of his games. Kinda think he was probably doing some coaching of his own. I remember very well what happened here when somebody sat in Bill Parcells seat. It's just not that easy.
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people really feel George didn't do much but just sit in bill walsh's seat. his time with the panthers certainly doesn't hurt that theory.
Sat in Walsh's seat for 8 years and won 75% of his games. Kinda think he was probably doing some coaching of his own. I remember very well what happened here when somebody sat in Bill Parcells seat. It's just not that easy.
having some of the greatest players ever probably helped.
lets name a few shall we?
montana, youg, craig, rice, rathman, john taylor, brent jones, wesley walls, guy mcintyre, harris barton, Jesse Sapolu, matt millin, jim burt, kevin fagan, michael carter, pierce holt, keith delong, charles haley, bill romanowski, ronnie lott, mike cofer, ted washington, ricky waters, tim harris, thane gash, eric davis, dana stubblefield, ken norton, gary plummer, charles mann, richard dent, deion sanders, toi cook, tyronne drakeford, bart oates, bryant young, tommy vardell, terry kirby, adrian cooper, chris doleman,
lets look at the coaches he had
pete Carroll, mike solari, rathman, matt cavanaugh, marc trestman, mike shanahan, gary kubiak, ray rhodes, jeff fisher, jon gruden, mike holmgren.
if you dont think John McVays front office was the reason for seiferts success you are nuts.
why did he do so poorly when he went on a lesser team i mean if he was so good he should've done better than 1-15, no?
He basically won three SBs - does anyone really give Switzer credit for '95? - and built a dynasty.
Dungy was a good coach. But that shouldn't be good enough, and certainly clears a path for Gruden, Coughlin, etc...
True in every aspect of like, from Politics, Corp America to Pop Warner... Salesmen & con artists win. Its troubling to me how people will follow a personality v substance / pragmatism.
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Dungy has a lot of buddies in the media, so he gets in. Incidentally, that's one of the reasons I don't think Coughlin will get in. The media cares more about rewarding their buddies and holding petty grudges than actually judging football talent.
True in every aspect of like, from Politics, Corp America to Pop Warner... Salesmen & con artists win. Its troubling to me how people will follow a personality v substance / pragmatism.
You have nailed it!
Had the exact same initial reaction
i agree, it was more sarcasm directed towards Dungy than actually believing that. Im not that old but I've seen enough to know that nothing is a lock when it comes to voting committees,cespecially when journalists are involved.
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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.
Had the exact same initial reaction
I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.
With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.
Why the different treatment. I'm sorry but the answer is pretty easy - in fact it is black and white....
That's the reality. Anyone who thinks differently has their head in the sand.
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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.
Had the exact same initial reaction
I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.
With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.
Peyton really does help especially in Caldwells case 14-2, 10-6 with peyton a .750 win %. 2-14 the year he got hurt. Yikes
I also agree Owens over Harrison.
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If Dungy made it, TC is absolute lock.
Had the exact same initial reaction
I am sure, Dungy supporters will point to his win% in regular season as reason for induction and point to the post-season as not important. Coughlin kind of needs the other viewpoint, regular seasons are not as important as the post-season.
With that said, what coach had a bad win % with Peyton Manning from 99 onward? Did Caldwell have a bad win % with him? Fox? I mean Peyton helps your win % a lot.
This argument doesn't bode well for Eli. The regular season win % and playoff berths are not in his favor. If Dungy has a high win % because of a HOF QB, and Coughlin doesn't have a high win %, is it because he didn't have a HOF QB?
Actually, he beat a 13-3 team that finished 2nd in league in scoring and 3rd in league in points allowed. Interesting thought though. "So-and so won the Super Bowl but his opponent that year wasn't that good so it should count less". And beating NE/Brady in an AFC championship game isn't as impressive as beating them in a Super Bowl - how would Indy ever beat NE in a Super Bowl?
Maybe even very good.
Hof? You can make the argument either way.
There's probably 1 factor that got him in.
I think we all know what that is.
Specially as a coach.
My point is
Does dungy get in, if the year now was 1996, instead of 2016?
I don't think so, but who knows.
I will say this though.
He's a Hofer as a man and person though.
Great character and great human being, imo.
Hell, he should be in for that reason alone.
Specially when you consider that 1 factor I was talking about.
The guy has one title. That's not a Hall of Fame coaching career.
As for Owens vs. Harrison, this is where I have a problem with caps on the number of people who can be elected each year. It is ridiculous (with MLB also). Either a guy is a HOFer or not. If he is, there should be no need to wait. You just vote for him.