Just an awful awful basketball team, time to blow it up, see what you can get for melo and afflalo and start to build around porzingis...
Its going to be a long time before this team is going to be good again, no one is coming here to play in free agency
The Melo trade rumors will heat up
Really how do you expect for this team to build? The whole point if this season was to look better and hope someone comes...
No draft pick this year, who is coming?
I'm thinking about how good Porzingis can become in 3-4 years. I'm hoping Grant can start finishing and improves his jumpsuit. I hope Galloway can be resigned.
Title is the last thing I'm thinking about *right* now.
If you don't trade Melo:
- You will have a chance, even if small to sign a free agent like Conley, Durant, etc. this offseason.
- The rebuild process will be either much quicker or much longer. If you sign a star, you are an immediate contender, if you don't then you will be at least 3-4 years from contending.
If you trade Melo:
- You might be able to acquire a player like Justice Winslow or Bobby Portis and maybe a 1st round pick. Even if Portis or Winslow does not evolve into a star, you are acquiring assets for potential trade.
- You are now in tank mode next year.
I have decided the best course would be to trade Melo and tank next year. After next season, hopefully if all goes right you will have a top 10 pick, Porzingis, Portis or Winslow, another 1st round pick, and no big contracts on the roster except Lopez which is not even a big contract. With the trade and going in tank mode, you will stockpile assets and be able to trade for a star or two in two years.
I think they should have just sat Melo until the break. Let him heal because if he doesn't, this will be a long season. Williams has really dropped and Galloway has been inconsistent. Not sure you can get much for any of them at this point. Maybe Afflalo for a contending team.
Very disappointing. I really thought we would be competing for the 8th seed prior to the two injuries and KP illness. Seems like we never bounced back from that.
I'm thinking about how good Porzingis can become in 3-4 years. I'm hoping Grant can start finishing and improves his jumpsuit. I hope Galloway can be resigned.
Title is the last thing I'm thinking about *right* now.
But that is my point how do you get to that status without blowing it up?
Your going to have to trade melo and tank next season
It's about time you are on the trade Melo wagon. It only took you three years
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remarks in the pregame were embarrassing. I think it's becoming clear that he isn't fit to lead this team.
What did he say?
He doesn't care if they miss the plsyoffs
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remarks in the pregame were embarrassing. I think it's becoming clear that he isn't fit to lead this team.
What did he say?
He doesn't care if they miss the plsyoffs
Geez, what a dickhead (literally)
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remarks in the pregame were embarrassing. I think it's becoming clear that he isn't fit to lead this team.
What did he say?
He doesn't care if they miss the plsyoffs
That's not what he said.
Rondo said he wasn't a good fit for the triangle, and Fisher took personal shots at Rondo for no reason. It was petty and childish.
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isn't whether we're contending next year or not. Frankly I'm not really bothered if we're not a title contender by the time Melo's in the final year of his contract.
I'm thinking about how good Porzingis can become in 3-4 years. I'm hoping Grant can start finishing and improves his jumpsuit. I hope Galloway can be resigned.
Title is the last thing I'm thinking about *right* now.
But that is my point how do you get to that status without blowing it up?
Your going to have to trade melo and tank next season
You could decide Melo's contract represents a good value for money and keep him for another year and then see whom you could trade him for. Trade Afflalo to a contender who wants a scorer for a good draft pick. Try and make wise moves in FA for guys who might be on the cusp of being high quality starters (see Crabbe).
This also isn't an awful basketball team. It's an average to below average team whose two stars are a bit tired partly because they're at different stages of their careers.
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In comment 12803984 Jon in NYC said:
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remarks in the pregame were embarrassing. I think it's becoming clear that he isn't fit to lead this team.
What did he say?
He doesn't care if they miss the plsyoffs
That's not what he said.
Rondo said he wasn't a good fit for the triangle, and Fisher took personal shots at Rondo for no reason. It was petty and childish.
He said the I don't care if they miss the playoffs after the Detroit game
Something like Winslow, Dragic, a couple firsts for Melo could make a lot of sense for both parties.
Something like Winslow, Dragic, a couple firsts for Melo could make a lot of sense for both parties.
There are probably 4 teams he would accept a trade to and the Knicks could possibly get a good deal...
Clippers, cavs, heat and possibly houston
How are Mark Jackson and Scott Brooks good coaching options? The Warriors got immediately better after Jackson left and the Thunder were winning in spite of Brooks, not because of him.
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out there. Thibs, Blatt, Luke Walton, Mark Jackson, Scott Brooks...
How are Mark Jackson and Scott Brooks good coaching options? The Warriors got immediately better after Jackson left and the Thunder were winning in spite of Brooks, not because of him.
Jackson's final two years were pretty damn good and Brooks has a .620 winning percentage. That's pretty damn good!
The team I look at in comparison is the Celtics. I look at that team and just don't see a team that is that much better than the Knicks. But they play hard, play the right way, and it's no secret that Brad Stevens has coach the shit out of a team with no superstar talent. Not even close.
I'm not going to put it all on Fisher but he is really uninspiring. Forget the "lack of talent" or the "holes" the Knicks have. Most teams have that to some extent. But his rotations, overuse of the entire bench, lack of creativity or running ANY plays whatsoever, weird comments, etc...just all makes me believe he is just a bad coach.
There are some real nice pieces on this team. Melo, KP, Galloway, Afflalo, Lopez, Williams, even Thomas to some extent. Their ability to be in many games until the end and just can't finish tells me that they are a poorly coached, underachieving team. Doesn't take a genius to see how undisciplined this team is.
LOL??
Yup, it's fun watching a team try to climb out of a big hole versus a team worse than them.
Funny how that works?
I wouldn't get used to it.
Whether they win or lose it doesn't change the fact this team is not making the playoffs and it may be best to try and trade melo
Well, for one, I'm able to see past the frustrating opening post from a huge Knicks fan without feeling the need to fan the flames with passive aggressive posts. But if that's your thing, hey, more power to you.
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The OP is ready to blow it all up after watching the team fall behind. And yeah, Denver has a worse record by like 2.5 games or some shit. In the WC.
Whether they win or lose it doesn't change the fact this team is not making the playoffs and it may be best to try and trade melo
You might be right about that but with no pick it's very risky. Unless they go into full tank mode, which I don't see happening in ny.
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The OP is ready to blow it all up after watching the team fall behind. And yeah, Denver has a worse record by like 2.5 games or some shit. In the WC.
Well, for one, I'm able to see past the frustrating opening post from a huge Knicks fan without feeling the need to fan the flames with passive aggressive posts. But if that's your thing, hey, more power to you.
Didn't realize there was such sensitivity here.
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The OP is ready to blow it all up after watching the team fall behind. And yeah, Denver has a worse record by like 2.5 games or some shit. In the WC.
Well, for one, I'm able to see past the frustrating opening post from a huge Knicks fan without feeling the need to fan the flames with passive aggressive posts. But if that's your thing, hey, more power to you.
Didn't realize there was such sensitivity here.
Didn't realize there was such a need to get a rise out of internet strangers...weird.
Awwww. That's sweet.
And Mark Jackson and Scott Brooks? The Warriors immediately won the championship as soon as Jackson was replaced, and the Thunder have had 2 of the top 5 players in the league for years and underperformed consistently. That is pretty close to the definition of a coach holding back a team. And I'm also pretty sure Fisher's face doesn't resemble the top of a penis (literally).
The Knicks are still a player away from being a top 3 East team. Fisher still has a lot of in-game tactical stuff to learn. But Melo is having the best all-around season of his career, RoLo is finally looking comfortable on the team, and playing above and beyond what we expected on the offensive side.
The team is also not playing purely within the Triangle. They have incorporated some PnR stuff as well, despite not having a good PG for that. Grant is the only real option there, and his inability to find his jumper has hurt that as well. Assuming he actually gains some confidence and finds his stroke, he's a great fit for this team. He's accustomed to running the PnR and can get penetration, and he also has the size that they like for the Triangle backcourt. He obviously still needs to learn the offense a bit more as well as learn to trust his abilities.
Trading Melo makes little sense. His game isn't based on crazy athleticism, and he'll be a very useful player for a few more years. He's already taken on a facilitator type role, and trading him won't get anything valuable back. They should go all in on Batum in the offseason, and then see what moves they can make to try to add someone else in 2017 when there are more options available.
Also no one said trade melo just for the sake of trading him..
Also fisher is an awful coach, he is terrible out of timeouts, he has horrible rotations. , he doesn't know when to use timeouts, he just simply not a good coach