The reason Cam Newton walked out on the press conference

Very strange the NFL would set up the press conferences that way, with the opponents so close together. Very stupid.

It matters.

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Just as the question about his horrible effort on the fumble Was asked.

He's an immature ass. Talented one, but a sore loser when things don't go his way. Or when they do, a arrogant jerk

That def is different take on it. Harris was LOUD too. I imagine it'd be tough to do an interview in the same room as all the guys who just beat you in the super bowl.

he's clearly tuning out of his conference and listening to Harris.

Now does it matter that he can't take the heat from a player talking about him in another room vs. some sports writer? No, of course not.

This doesn't absolve him of how he acted at the press conference. All he's done is give ammo to the his critics. Really stupid move by him. He clearly doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks, but still, he deserves to be called out for it.

and I don't even care that much about his comments in the presser. I can't imagine how I would be feeling in that moment after losing the SB.

But you're supposed to be a professional and this is a job requirement. Suck it up and quit being a baby when the game doesn't go your way.

That would be his problem. Prime example.

either way i dont care but to see your "leader" sulk and be down like that, fuck it would suck. Hell look at Russel Wilson at the end of his game. He still believed even when it seemed all hope is lost. "biggest comeback ever" he said that over and over to his team. This guy looks for flags to help.

worked. Now I believe Carolina can throw the ball, but Denver made Carolina look like they didn't belong there.

isn't making him look any better. He's still a petulant twat...

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How does explaining that he walked out because somebody hurt his feelings make him look any more mature?

never have. It has nothing to do with colour or race...it has to do with class and how to handle yourself in these tough situations. Doesn't matter if it was Newton or Aaron Rodgers...you handle these things like a man, not a pouty adolescent.

Can you imagine Russell Wilson doing that? It is a shame that Newton and others have chosen to frame the way people feel about him on such a stupid level. It is all about actions and acting like a man, not a child.

Let's hope the next stage in his development is to become a mature man.

Proclaiming this as Newton's excuse and said it's not Cams fault.

Petulant child acts like a brat, takes his ball and goes home - yet we should somehow think otherwise because there is another interview going on nearby? Please.

and wouldn't dive after a ball ....Nope, the kid had to shut up or deliver....He played terribly ...which is one thing, showed no guts after the fumble and no guts at the press conference.

Is the guy who posts here under the handle "Gutless Puke"

In comment 12806416 B in ALB said:

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Proclaiming this as Newton's excuse and said it's not Cams fault. Petulant child acts like a brat, takes his ball and goes home - yet we should somehow think otherwise because there is another interview going on nearby? Please.

And he has two coaches at the presser signaling to him to not act like a twat. Insufferable...

Oh, noes, he heard someone from the Broncos mocking his shitty performance? Better go pout with a towel over his head, stat!

Hey, Chris Harris is just having fun out there! Why is Cam such a hater?

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Is the guy who posts here under the handle "Gutless Puke"

how can you puke w/o a gut?

How do you think if Cam won the game and was MVP?

To me I think he'd act exactly the same just on the other end of the scale....a spoiled Bratty child

All it does is show Cam's true colors and thin skin... Whether it was about the questions asked of him, or about Denver's game plan makes no difference. That is not the way to conduct yourself at a presser.

How do you think cam would act if he won the game and was MVP

"He acted more like Louis Lane than Superman both on the field (not diving for that fumble) and off the field (presser)

A guy who can dish it out with all the dancing and posing but can't take it in return.

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was because he only lost once coming into this game. Same guy. It won't be long before apologists can no longer point to his age as an excuse. It's his character.

Mean the same guy who was yucking it up on our sideline and taking a Eli throw away like he was returning it for a td has his feelings hurt over that???

'our gameplan was to make them one dimensional and pass the ball to beat us' (smart considering Carolina has pedestrian at best WRs) -- isnt exactly taunting now is it?

Lame excuse and shame on some in the media for buying it.

also tell Cam to wear his hoodie up?

Seriously, I can't believe someone from the Panthers organization didn't tell him to uncover his head. It made him look petulant and closed off, just as much as his responses and actions did.

Cam is just having fun though, ya know!

Couldn't be any clearer that he is a arrogant douche, but alas there are still those that feel the need to defend him. He's a great talent, incredibly skilled, but I just can't root for someone as obnoxious, and immature as this guy.

But I don't think it changes anything.

Cam is a frontrunner.

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for showing some passion and humanity in the game.

It think tts refreshing to see some guys aren't robots.

being within earshot of players from the winning team totally sucks. It also must suck to lose a Super Bowl, but someone please find me a Super Bowl losing QB who pouted like that.

Cam dances and celebrates when he wins and pouts and sulks when he loses the big game. That didnt surprise me at all. I would have been surprised if he stood up and did what he had to do after the game despite the loss. You know he had some garish, tacky suit ready had they won, but he donned a hoodie to hide after a loss.

I didnt think much of his antics on the field this season because he was really great, however, I did not like the sideline group photos when the game was still on. Now after his pouty post game, I'm not giving this guy anything, he is a classless winner and a classless loser. Asshole. Active destroyer of the concept of sportsmanship.

If you're going to showboat when things are going your way, be man enough to take your lumps when you get your ass beaten. Otherwise, shut up.

In comment 12806503 Greg from LI said:

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If you're going to showboat when things are going your way, be man enough to take your lumps when you get your ass beaten. Otherwise, shut up.

exactly!

or the famous,

if they dont want me to have fun, stop me..... that they did

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for showing some passion and humanity in the game. It think tts refreshing to see some guys aren't robots.

I am more upset about his effort on the fumble. That's all I need to know about that guy.

But in the grand scheme of things don't hot dog around the field and press when things are going good if you can't take the heat. Being up there is a part of his job and he gets paid a lot of money for it.

Btw how you been man. Lost contact with you over the years and had to change my Handle when this place got hacked.

I get that it was basically them daring Cam to beat them - but is that supposed to come as some sort of a shock?

he basically just said they wanted to make Carolina one dimensional and beat them by passing.

One could take that personally, as Cam clearly did. But they never said 'we're going to make Cam's arm beat us'

I personally took it as Denver knew Carolina's WR suck ... and game planned accordingly.

In any event, what teams dont try to take the oppositions best player or two and one aspect (run game, whatever) away from them? Somewhat standard stuff here unless I'm missing something.

I'm not sure how having a prepared touchdown dance shows passion in the game.

Make them go to Manningham.

know Cam was listening. He was just explaining the game plan. When he found out he apologized and blamed the NFL for putting the two conferences so close together.

Even if he was handed to the Giants for nothing. Poor excuse for a professional football player . Thank God we have Eli Manning.

In comment 12806542 Excitable Boy said:

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Even if he was handed to the Giants for nothing. Poor excuse for a professional football player . Thank God we have Eli Manning.

lol. JFC.

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I wouldn't want this guy on my team Excitable Boy : 2:43 pm : link : reply Even if he was handed to the Giants for nothing. Poor excuse for a professional football player . Thank God we have Eli Manning.

Eli will forever be special to me and I'll love him until death, but I'd trade him for Cam going forward into the future before I even finish this post.

have these conferences where you could hear the other team. Talk about a distraction.

Kelly out of Super Bowl XXV and dare Thurmond Thomas to beat the Giants?
So isn't that what good DCs do, take away one part of a good offense and make the other part beat them. So Denver shut down Stewart and thought their pass rush would be able to get to Cam...BFD. Football 101.

In comment 12806479 therealmf said:

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also tell Cam to wear his hoodie up? Seriously, I can't believe someone from the Panthers organization didn't tell him to uncover his head. It made him look petulant and closed off, just as much as his responses and actions did.

He had to coaches to the sides of him telling him to ditch the hoodie

In comment 12806479 therealmf said:

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also tell Cam to wear his hoodie up? Seriously, I can't believe someone from the Panthers organization didn't tell him to uncover his head. It made him look petulant and closed off, just as much as his responses and actions did.

Both Shula and Ken Dorsey were signaling him to take it off. He didn't...

what montana already said...

going forward (I say "likely" because you never know with a guy like him), but I still would be extremely pissed if the Giants made that trade straight up today.

and was gracious to him on the field.
That Time Peyton Manning Was A Bad Sport And Barely Anyone Cared - ( New Window )

He should not have plain and simple. He was wrong and he needs to grow up. This is not the 1st time a player has done this and it will not be the last. Where he goes from there is what this is all about. Does he grow up and become a great player or does he run around with his Superman cape and gold shoes.

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for showing some passion and humanity in the game. It think tts refreshing to see some guys aren't robots.

I have no problem with him showing passion, in fact, I loved him giving footballs to young Carolina fans. The problem I have is if you want to show passion when you are winning, show humility when you lose, very simple.

who is made that he couldn't celebrate every 1st down last night like the clown that he is. So happy the right team and QB won.

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It was definitely wrong of the NFL to have press conferences so close by that featured both losers and winners. And not just wrong, but classless.

That being said (as others have said), it's your job to deal with it. If you want to be a champion, behave like a champion. And a champion doesn't run from a difficult situation, he faces it head on.

all the commentators talking about Peyton's "humility." Peyton is not humble. He is a huge self-promotor and a big ham who loves the spotlight when things are going his way.

He was very gracious yesterday and deserves credit for that. But he has not acted like that in the past when he lost in the playoffs

So happy to have a person like Eli. He does it right. Such a classy person.

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all the commentators talking about Peyton's "humility." Peyton is not humble. He is a huge self-promotor and a big ham who loves the spotlight when things are going his way. He was very gracious yesterday and deserves credit for that. But he has not acted like that in the past when he lost in the playoffs

Eli took shit for bad body language. How was Cams?

And stop listening to commentators. You saw the conference, what did you think?

wittle feewings got hurt by the mean man talking on the other micwophone. So sad.

the poor body language, the pouting, the inability to handle tough questions from the media, etc.

Those things seemed to disappear while they were winning, but last night he reverted.

If you go to the wedding, you have to go to the funeral as well.

weak of character. Bad example for young uns as well.

Me first, look at me, the wonderfulness of me.

Harris was not bad mouthing or talking smack at all regarding Cam Newton. He answered a question on what was the defensive game plan. YET, you have numerous people both in the media and out trying to imply that he got his feelings hurt over smack talk by Harris.

The need to constantly supply this raging hemorrhoid an excuse for his actions is baffling to say the least.

It looked to me as if Cam was playing very nervous/scared right from the start. Bad, inaccurate passes. Then Denver turned up the heat, Cam was frustrated and nervous about his first Super Bowl appearance for the rest of the game.

I would not have been surprised if he puked on field like McNabb did once.

and some of his actions seem to suggest him to be a poor loser. However, the disgust directed towards him is unbelievable.

In comment 12806553 GiantFilthy said:

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Quote: I wouldn't want this guy on my team Excitable Boy : 2:43 pm : link : reply Even if he was handed to the Giants for nothing. Poor excuse for a professional football player . Thank God we have Eli Manning. Eli will forever be special to me and I'll love him until death, but I'd trade him for Cam going forward into the future before I even finish this post.

Do you really think he could handle the NY Media?

who say he acted like a baby, ESPECIALLY since he is a sore winner as well.
I saw him talking about himself on TV a lot these two weeks, maybe he should have been watching more film as it looked like the Denver D did watching the game...
Nice to see arrogance humbled as they say, but I am not a hater. He is very talented and he will (probably) be a thorn in the sides of NFC contenders for awhile as much as I hate to say it.

I assumed he had pressing black guy stuff to do.

In comment 12806777 joeinpa said:

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and some of his actions seem to suggest him to be a poor loser. However, the disgust directed towards him is unbelievable.

Tom Brady receives the same treatment. LeBron James too. People only hate those worth hating

It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!!

Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon.

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Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon.

I am not a coward or a loser.

In comment 12806671 Milton said:

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It was definitely wrong of the NFL to have press conferences so close by that featured both losers and winners. And not just wrong, but classless. That being said (as others have said), it's your job to deal with it. If you want to be a champion, behave like a champion. And a champion doesn't run from a difficult situation, he faces it head on.

Pretty much sums it up.

The bottom line is that there isn't any journalistic value to interviewing a guy shortly after one of the most disappointing moments in his life other than to record a reaction precisely such as this one. I doubt anyone here believes that the press conference for Cam would have gone the same way had it occurred 11:00am today as opposed to 11:00pm last night - but of course the sober, more measured next-day reaction from the players isn't in demand these days.

That being said, Cam clearly could have and should have handled that much better, but a majority of the criticism of him for this press conference is way over the top.

He just lost the Super Bowl in humiliating fashion. Not by blowout -- though it ended up not being a close game -- but by having the Broncos win by challenging him, personally. It was the game he's dreamed of since he picked up a football, and he shit the bed. I have no idea what that feels like, and I'm not sure I how I would handle it. And I'm pushing 60.

Is his own kryptonite.

In comment 12806500 Rory said:

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for showing some passion and humanity in the game. It think tts refreshing to see some guys aren't robots.

The guy is pissed he lost. Sulk or not, find me a good loser and you might find somebody who knows nothing about winning.

left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on.

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left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on.

In comment 12807108 compton said:

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left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on.

Well, except for two things:

1. Sportswriters did take Peyton to task - it was very well covered all over the Internet, with a split between 'emotional Peyton Manning' and 'poor sport'. He addressed it during his post-game press conference, something Cam didn't bother to do.

2. When you have to seek out something Bill Romanowski says to make your point, you've probably stopped making sense a long time ago.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314 - ( New Window )

In comment 12807111 jcn56 said:

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In comment 12807108 compton said: Quote: left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on. Well, except for two things: 1. Sportswriters did take Peyton to task - it was very well covered all over the Internet, with a split between 'emotional Peyton Manning' and 'poor sport'. He addressed it during his post-game press conference, something Cam didn't bother to do. 2. When you have to seek out something Bill Romanowski says to make your point, you've probably stopped making sense a long time ago. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314 - ( New Window )

Peyton Manning didn't face half the vitriol that Cam is being subject to. Case in point, you state that the coverage on Peyton was half and half between supportive and critical. That's way better than what Cam is facing. He is getting skewed for behavior that is far less offensive than what some of his peers got away with. There is definitely a double standard. And no, we can't overlook what Bill Romanowski said because it speaks of a narrative that is bigger than Cam Newton.

b) ignorant, or c) idiotic.

Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things.

OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level.

Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.

In comment 12806870 NJGiantFan84 said:

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In comment 12806777 joeinpa said: Quote: and some of his actions seem to suggest him to be a poor loser. However, the disgust directed towards him is unbelievable. Tom Brady receives the same treatment. LeBron James too. People only hate those worth hating

Tom Brady does not receive the same treatment, not anywhere close, and most of hte hatred towards Brady is rooted more in hatred for the Pats.

In comment 12806871 Dry Lightning said:

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It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!!

This is a prime example. Cam came off as a baby. How is he: a) a coward, b) a piece of shit, or c) a loser (15-1?).

David Diehl drunk driving around was far worse than anything Cam has ever done.

But if you don't think Cam is going to win 1 or 2 in his career when he brought a team to 15-1 with Ted Ginn, Jerico Cotchery, and a rookie Funchess as his primary WR corp (along with a pretty much average Jonathan Stewart), you're out of your mind. Yes, their D was elite, but if Cam gets weapons similar to what Eli had in 2011 or 80% of the way towards what Dalton has, it won't even matter.

In comment 12807121 compton said:

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In comment 12807111 jcn56 said: Quote: In comment 12807108 compton said: Quote: left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on. Well, except for two things: 1. Sportswriters did take Peyton to task - it was very well covered all over the Internet, with a split between 'emotional Peyton Manning' and 'poor sport'. He addressed it during his post-game press conference, something Cam didn't bother to do. 2. When you have to seek out something Bill Romanowski says to make your point, you've probably stopped making sense a long time ago. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314 - ( New Window ) Peyton Manning didn't face half the vitriol that Cam is being subject to. Case in point, you state that the coverage on Peyton was half and half between supportive and critical. That's way better than what Cam is facing. He is getting skewed for behavior that is far less offensive than what some of his peers got away with. There is definitely a double standard. And no, we can't overlook what Bill Romanowski said because it speaks of a narrative that is bigger than Cam Newton.

Peyton Manning didn't face half the vitriol because what Peyton Manning did wasn't half as bad.

In comment 12807123 Sonic Youth said:

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b) ignorant, or c) idiotic. Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things. OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level. Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.

You are aware that OBJ is also black right?

In comment 12807121 compton said:

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In comment 12807111 jcn56 said: Quote: In comment 12807108 compton said: Quote: left the game with time remaining. He didn't congratulate or shake hands with Drew Brees or any of the opposing players. Sports writers didn't call him out for his unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead, they identified with him. Cam Newton didn't get such treatment. What Cam Newton did pales in comparison to what Manning did, but Cam is the one who was subjected to racists Tweets from the likes of Bill Romanowski and Glen Beck. Carry on. Well, except for two things: 1. Sportswriters did take Peyton to task - it was very well covered all over the Internet, with a split between 'emotional Peyton Manning' and 'poor sport'. He addressed it during his post-game press conference, something Cam didn't bother to do. 2. When you have to seek out something Bill Romanowski says to make your point, you've probably stopped making sense a long time ago. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314 - ( New Window ) Peyton Manning didn't face half the vitriol that Cam is being subject to. Case in point, you state that the coverage on Peyton was half and half between supportive and critical. That's way better than what Cam is facing. He is getting skewed for behavior that is far less offensive than what some of his peers got away with. There is definitely a double standard. And no, we can't overlook what Bill Romanowski said because it speaks of a narrative that is bigger than Cam Newton.

You're right, its not because he's an arrogant petulant twat with an extended history of being an arrogant petulant twat. It's because he's black.

:-)

Can we move the fuck on already?

I have said this in every thread about Cam. I've never once said people go over the top against him directly because he's black.

That's a black and white and idiotic way to look at it. I think that people hate him and are so bothered by the dancing and "lack of class", cockiness (which is a valid criticism but ties directly to "swag"), and specific end zone dances (e.g. the dab) because it's just straight up streetball. I think that's what subconciously pisses people off.

That's why at no point have I EVER boiled it down to something as similar to skin color. But I do think it's tied to an urban culture primarily made up of black people that a lot of America doesn't like.

OBJ doesn't really exude that the way Cam does, even though he's shown up opponents far more than Cam has.

This doesn't mean that if you dislike Cam you're a racist, and this doesn't mean that every single person who dislikes him hates him for that reason. But it's one of the only plausible scenarios I can see for the over the top vitriol against him.

His statement that people dislike him because he's a black QB that makes people uncomfortable was just as simplistic as the people trying to crucify him as a race-baiter. But I do think that he has one part right- he makes people uncomfortable, and repping urban dances from the streets of Atlanta probably play into that to some degree, and to certain people, to a large degree.

I've been pretty critical of how much of a bitch he was at the press conference throughout today. But people acting like there is absolutely zero components of this that have something to do with his race or how he acts in conjunction with race are wrong, IMO. This isn't a reflection on each individual person, but there are a LOT of shitty people out there.

That's why the race baiter comments are so dumb - Cam is speaking from what he perceives, and he's most likely right to SOME degree.

(i also think him being a QB players into this as well, to a large degree).

to some of the criticism Cam gets. I'm not saying every detractor that scrutinizes him is racially motivated, but come on, there are shitheads out there that dislikes him due to his skin.

With that said, there are things that he does that deserves criticism. Not diving for the fumble and staring at it reminded me of the catatonic Lebron James that showed up to lose against the Mavs in the Finals. He's a dynamic talent, but a bit of a front runner. He needs to show more maturity in dealing with adversity.

Has shown up opponents more than Cam. Cam celebrates every touchdown pass and many touchdown runs. I twice witnessed Cam celebrate first down runs when up by 28 points which tells me he likely celebrates most first down runs. Add all that up and include that they were 15-1 this year and I dont think its mathematically possible that OBJ can show up opponents far more often than Cam. Also Cam has been in the league for three more years And has the ball a lot more than OBJ.

The rest of your argument is valid, I just don't think that is an accurate statement.

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to some of the criticism Cam gets. I'm not saying every detractor that scrutinizes him is racially motivated, but come on, there are shitheads out there that dislikes him due to his skin. With that said, there are things that he does that deserves criticism. Not diving for the fumble and staring at it reminded me of the catatonic Lebron James that showed up to lose against the Mavs in the Finals. He's a dynamic talent, but a bit of a front runner. He needs to show more maturity in dealing with adversity.

Racists exist. Groundbreaking stuff man.

i think the racially motivated people are in the small minority. In general, people dislike him because he is good and winning. Its the same reason they dislike LeBron and Tom Brady. Its the same reason why so many hated Derek Jeter and Kobe Bryant before they reached legend status. Peyton manning also. The latter three eventually gained the respect of their haters as their careers appraoched the end, but when they were young and in their prime, they had a lot of haters.

Its not race, its winning for teams you do not root for. People begin looking for excuses to why they hate them and there are always reasons. LeBron doesnt act like Cam and there are plenty of people who hate him. But bottom line, they are hated because they are winning. They aren't worth hating if they aren't good.

Why does nobody care about Riley Cooper? He isnt that good. If he were a star, there would be discussion about him being a racist prick on a daily basis. But nobody cares enough about him to waste time and energy actively hating him.

the polar opposite of Cam on the class spectrum?

In comment 12807139 NJGiantFan84 said:

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Has shown up opponents more than Cam. Cam celebrates every touchdown pass and many touchdown runs. I twice witnessed Cam celebrate first down runs when up by 28 points which tells me he likely celebrates most first down runs. Add all that up and include that they were 15-1 this year and I dont think its mathematically possible that OBJ can show up opponents far more often than Cam. Also Cam has been in the league for three more years And has the ball a lot more than OBJ. The rest of your argument is valid, I just don't think that is an accurate statement.

celebrating his OWN runs isn't showing up opponents. Cheering for your team at a visitor stadium isn't showing up opponents. Call me when cam jogs into the end zone backwards like OBJ.

In comment 12807144 widmerseyebrow said:

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the polar opposite of Cam on the class spectrum?

who knows? Maybe not to you. Definitely not to me. But holy shit I'm an Indian American who grew up in nj and you know how many times I have heard "you're not indian, you're basically white" or "randall (my closest friend who happens to be black) is basically white anyway, total prep, not really black"...like this has been said to my face by so many people (less often as I've gotten older). I have no idea what you think. I find Wilson way too goody two shoes for me but I think he's a baller, personally. But if you think there aren't some people out there who like Wilson bc he's a "black guy who acts white" you're nuts.

Personally I think anger/hate mobilizes people more than the opposite, so I think there's barely much of a racial component to Wilson - but there's still some pepole who will openly say shit like that (and it's not .0001% like some of you try to believe) - and even more who only subconsciously make this connection.

It's a moot point though. Just cause something is one way for one guy doesn't mean there is automatically an equal and opposite reaction.

I would still argue that Celebrating a three yard run for a first down when up by 21 or 28 points is showing up your opponent. He did it a few times in the Giants game and again in the Seahawks game.

those were mutually exclusive notions. I do find Russell Wilson to be kind of a contrived persona, his persona just happens to be quite the polar opposite of Cam's. I don't think either guy is a piece of shit, I think they're both good guys.

Oh and Chris, I never said I was saying anything groundbreaking. Racists exists, and some of the criticism he gets stems from that. Now go piss off.

In comment 12807144 widmerseyebrow said:

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the polar opposite of Cam on the class spectrum?

I don't get why people keep bringing up Russel Wilson. He's one of the good ones.

Yes I know it's part of his NFL contract. It's also, as far as I'm concerned, the least important part of his contract.

I watch football because these guys are great football players. Not because they are PR wizards. If some of them happen to be a good interview or a good sport after a loss that's a plus I suppose. But if they're not it's not a big deal.

In comment 12807178 Cam in MO said:

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In comment 12807144 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: the polar opposite of Cam on the class spectrum? I don't get why people keep bringing up Russel Wilson. He's one of the good ones.

Him, Steve Largeant, and maybe Richard Sherman. But the rest of them suck.

If you're going to prance around and pose when you're winning, don't pout when you lose. It makes you look like you have the emotional maturity of a six year old.

except for when he showboats around the league, talking about being a fashion icon and comparing yourself to a superhero... mmm ok got it!

I gained a lot of respect for him as a QB this year and I don't think it gets much better than him handing off footballs to kids in the endzone. And this notion that he was too much of a pussy to dive on a fumble is ridiculous, this is a guy who (stupidly) went headfirst dozens of times this season to gain a first down or a TD or an extra few yards. But his yanking out the race card to deal with criticism, his walking off the stage rather than answer questions, if he wants to be the face of the franchise he needs to figure out how to handle that stuff.

To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it?

In comment 12807798 montanagiant said:

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To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it?

Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.

is that the only guy injecting race into the conversation about Cam Newton (good or bad) is Cam Newton himself. Nobody has been talking about him as a Black or African-American QB, outside of himself. He has been praised and criticized as a QB, a teammate, a person, etc. without race being involved.

All the things that he is being criticized for after the Super Bowl are things he was being criticized for before this season. He was deemed selfish, immature, unable to deal with adversity, a bad teammate, etc. The difference is, at 15-1, this team had little to no adversity to deal with this year, so there was nothing to criticize except his ego.

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In comment 12807798 montanagiant said: Quote: To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it? Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.

He did not freeze, he jumped away from it

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is that the only guy injecting race into the conversation about Cam Newton (good or bad) is Cam Newton himself. Nobody has been talking about him as a Black or African-American QB, outside of himself. He has been praised and criticized as a QB, a teammate, a person, etc. without race being involved.

There are tools in the media who have made a big deal of this, too. The usual suspects.

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In comment 12807798 montanagiant said: Quote: To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it? Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.

Stop.

want to get hurt..


yikes

Long story short, Cam Newton is a punk. If Ron Rivera had Newton's character he'd call Newton out for being unable to consistently hit an open receive or feel a pass rush. Or he could have called him out for flat quitting at the end.

Newton is a punk, and I hope he never gets back to this stage.

In comment 12807813 Moondawg said:

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In comment 12807802 Matt M. said: Quote: is that the only guy injecting race into the conversation about Cam Newton (good or bad) is Cam Newton himself. Nobody has been talking about him as a Black or African-American QB, outside of himself. He has been praised and criticized as a QB, a teammate, a person, etc. without race being involved. There are tools in the media who have made a big deal of this, too. The usual suspects.

But, really because he injected it into the conversation. And, he did so without even making a point about.

that keeps on giving.

As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine."

Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right."

As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam."

Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media.
Link - ( New Window )

You'd think his agent would be having a conversation with him. (Or the organization, maybe?)

This kid is a dick.

too lazy to read all the "criticism". None of it changes the fact that he's an awesome talent who has fun playing a game he loves. More power to him.

I'd be way more concerned with this:

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"I didn’t dive on one fumble because the way my leg was (positioned)," Newton told reporters in Charlotte on Tuesday. "It could have been contorted in a way. You say my effort? I didn’t dive down. I fumbled - that’s fine. That’s fine. We didn’t lose the game because of that fumble.”

I'm sure Thomas Davis, among others on the Panthers, appreciate Cam's decision to not risk injury on the deciding play of the Super Bowl.

but he's got some growing up to do. He walked off because of something a Bronco said nearby? That's pathetic.

I have a feeling we're really going to miss Eli when he's gone.

In comment 12807123 Sonic Youth said:

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b) ignorant, or c) idiotic. Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things. OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level. Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.

I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record).

I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.

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too lazy to read all the "criticism". None of it changes the fact that he's an awesome talent who has fun playing a game he loves. More power to him.

Ah yes, "fun", the millenial explanation for players that act like children.

all the things I like and dislike about Lebron James.

In comment 12807782 Greg from LI said:

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If you're going to prance around and pose when you're winning, don't pout when you lose. It makes you look like you have the emotional maturity of a six year old.

Great is so spot on with this. It reeks of just being fairweather "leader". I have no doubt that the Panthers and their fans love Cam when the going is good, but he acts like a tool when the going gets tough.

In comment 12807792 Dunedin81 said:

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I gained a lot of respect for him as a QB this year and I don't think it gets much better than him handing off footballs to kids in the endzone. And this notion that he was too much of a pussy to dive on a fumble is ridiculous, this is a guy who (stupidly) went headfirst dozens of times this season to gain a first down or a TD or an extra few yards. But his yanking out the race card to deal with criticism, his walking off the stage rather than answer questions, if he wants to be the face of the franchise he needs to figure out how to handle that stuff.

Is it a "race card" if he truly believes that? Did playing the "race card" really make him escape any criticism?

In comment 12807880 Chris in Philly said:

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that keeps on giving. As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine." Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right." As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam." Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media. Link - ( New Window )

I don't even see what's really that bad about this statement. I still think Greg from Li has it nailed though - if you're going to dance around and be demonstrative when you're killing it, fine, but don't act like a sore loser after you lose. Face the music.

In comment 12808272 Beezer said:

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In comment 12807123 Sonic Youth said: Quote: b) ignorant, or c) idiotic. Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things. OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level. Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him. I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record). I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.

Oh absolutely, and I can agree with a lot of your post. But like I said, I do believe there's a lot of people who dislike him more due to other factors, which are tangentially related to race (since race and culture are so intertwined), but not really directly related to him being black.

That's why I said in a thread (either this one or the other Cam thread) that the way he boiled it down to being a black QB was far too simplistic as well.

Yeah, it's immature and he could have handled it a lot better, and I am sure he will going forward.

But I don't know how you sit and watch a replay of that fumble with your teammates, as they dive after their last chance to try and win the Super Bowl, on record with how your leg might get contorted if you lent a hand. That's pretty fucking awful.

And so odd - Cam sticks his head in people's chests, his own head into the end zone, he's a fearless runner - I just think he checked out after the beating he had taken.

In comment 12807880 Chris in Philly said:

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that keeps on giving. As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine." Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right." As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam." Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media. Link - ( New Window )

I think the guy has embarrassed himself enough without people lying and misquoting him, He never once said if I offended anybody that's cool. I watched the whole interview.

In comment 12808297 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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Yeah, it's immature and he could have handled it a lot better, and I am sure he will going forward. But I don't know how you sit and watch a replay of that fumble with your teammates, as they dive after their last chance to try and win the Super Bowl, on record with how your leg might get contorted if you lent a hand. That's pretty fucking awful. And so odd - Cam sticks his head in people's chests, his own head into the end zone, he's a fearless runner - I just think he checked out after the beating he had taken.

I was actually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the reason he didn't dive into the pile was because perhaps he was waiting to see what the ball was going to do. Often, players will all dive into a pile, and the ball will squirt out and a free player can scoop it up.

Turns out he just didn't want to get hurt.

At some point to Newton's defenders being black somehow became conflated with being an asshole. I recall it being said that there is a "cultural" element to Newton's celebrations.

Being an asshole isn't a culture, and if I were black I'd be insulted to be lumped into any category with such a lousy person.

In comment 12808272 Beezer said:

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In comment 12807123 Sonic Youth said: Quote: b) ignorant, or c) idiotic. Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things. OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level. Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him. I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record). I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.

Why would you be ok with Cam celebrating, but cringing when OBJ does?

Maybe overhearing that is the excuse he is telling himself to justify walking out but he was clearly looking for any excuse.

Embarrassing behavior for the leagues MVP

you can say about the guy is that he acted like a sore loser after losing the biggest game in sports, he's doing okay.

should have handled it better, but really how friggin important is it?

It doesn't make him a horrible person. By all accounts he is a great guy. It's pretty obvious that his celebrations when things are going good and his pouting when things go bad have the same root cause. It's not exactly the best trait to have when it comes to being the top of any profession, much less one where the spotlight is going to on you in both good and bad times, and one that it is guaranteed that over the course of your career you will suffer heart wrenching failures.

As for the race factor: I think Sonic hits it, although I also think that for this particular set of circumstances, personal biases about "ghetto ball"'(or whatever you want to call it) merely exascerbate the criticism to a small degree. It's more a matter of his almost complete lack of emotional control that folks are interpreting as an insult to the game and profession.

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you can say about the guy is that he acted like a sore loser after losing the biggest game in sports, he's doing okay. should have handled it better, but really how friggin important is it?

Sure in the big scheme of things it isn't very important but to use the oppositions answers in an interview as a valid reason for his behavior is just plain silly. He was assuredly a sore loser and will probably be embarrassed by his behavior one day when he grows up a little.

by how he behaves in a certain moment or even a certain game. Cam Newton has a smugness that permeates his behavior - win or lose. Is this a racial thing? Of course not. You don't see anyone getting on Russell Wilson or Tyrod Taylor for this.

but man, some of you are REALLY ecstatic about getting a chance to bury the dude. It's like the opposite of when Dave Chappelle said black people celebrated the OJ trial too hard.

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Cam is a punk bitch Dave in Hoboken : 2/8/2016 3:42 pm : link : reply who is made that he couldn't celebrate every 1st down last night like the clown that he is. So happy the right team and QB won. Enough about Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:13 pm : link : reply It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!! Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:15 pm : link : reply Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon.

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In comment 12807880 Chris in Philly said: I think the guy has embarrassed himself enough without people lying and misquoting him, He never once said if I offended anybody that's cool. I watched the whole interview.

I just saw him say it on the NFL Network. You must have missed that part...

to sound douchey (it just comes naturally!). The article put stuff in a different order than he said them.

That's really all that needs to be said about him at this point. Talented for sure, but he's a bitch.

In comment 12808517 David in LA said:

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but man, some of you are REALLY ecstatic about getting a chance to bury the dude. It's like the opposite of when Dave Chappelle said black people celebrated the OJ trial too hard. Quote: Cam is a punk bitch Dave in Hoboken : 2/8/2016 3:42 pm : link : reply who is made that he couldn't celebrate every 1st down last night like the clown that he is. So happy the right team and QB won. Enough about Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:13 pm : link : reply It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!! Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:15 pm : link : reply Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon.

The truth hurts. If he took the loss like a man in the post game press conference; that would be respectable for sure. But he didn't. *shrug*

what many players are giving you in that situation is an act, somewhat of a false front of graciousness.

IMO, his reaction should have been better, but the reaction to his reaction is way over the top. People burying guy who by most reports is great off the field based on 30 seconds of his life and on the field celebrations just seems excessive to the point of silliness.

In comment 12808603 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 12808517 David in LA said: Quote: but man, some of you are REALLY ecstatic about getting a chance to bury the dude. It's like the opposite of when Dave Chappelle said black people celebrated the OJ trial too hard. Quote: Cam is a punk bitch Dave in Hoboken : 2/8/2016 3:42 pm : link : reply who is made that he couldn't celebrate every 1st down last night like the clown that he is. So happy the right team and QB won. Enough about Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:13 pm : link : reply It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!! Cam...... Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:15 pm : link : reply Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon. The truth hurts. If he took the loss like a man in the post game press conference; that would be respectable for sure. But he didn't. *shrug*

yes. The oh so obvious tRuth that cam Newton is a "demon" (lol)

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In comment 12808297 Rob in CT/NYC said: Quote: Yeah, it's immature and he could have handled it a lot better, and I am sure he will going forward. But I don't know how you sit and watch a replay of that fumble with your teammates, as they dive after their last chance to try and win the Super Bowl, on record with how your leg might get contorted if you lent a hand. That's pretty fucking awful. And so odd - Cam sticks his head in people's chests, his own head into the end zone, he's a fearless runner - I just think he checked out after the beating he had taken. I was actually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the reason he didn't dive into the pile was because perhaps he was waiting to see what the ball was going to do. Often, players will all dive into a pile, and the ball will squirt out and a free player can scoop it up. Turns out he just didn't want to get hurt.

Same. I assumed he froze or there was some other reason he didn't do it because he has sacrificed his body (sacrificed his head a few times) but he flat out said he didn't want to get hurt.

In comment 12808168 DieHard said:

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I'd be way more concerned with this: Quote: "I didn’t dive on one fumble because the way my leg was (positioned)," Newton told reporters in Charlotte on Tuesday. "It could have been contorted in a way. You say my effort? I didn’t dive down. I fumbled - that’s fine. That’s fine. We didn’t lose the game because of that fumble.” I'm sure Thomas Davis, among others on the Panthers, appreciate Cam's decision to not risk injury on the deciding play of the Super Bowl.

That quote contrasted to Davis playing through injury - that should sum it up for anyone defending Newton.

heh, maybe not directly lost it but it sure as shit played a big role. In fact Cam, you had two fumbles that directly led to 14 points.

oops

There was a bunch of crap over him not smiling enough in a picture taken with 3 mins left in the game. The media slam on him if he had pussified on a fumble recovery, then stormed out of a PC while admitting the next day that he did so out of fear of getting hurt would be unbelievable and make the storm Cam is dealing with pale in comparison.

to prevent the chance of injury. I am surprised he admitted it, so that's a positive in a way.

TV angles can be deceiving. My first impression was that he was right over the football and it's not easy for a 6'5" individual to "dive" directly down. It places your body in an awkward very vulnerable position compared with players diving "horizontally" for the ball.

But other angles made it look not as problematic for him, so I don't know. If you freeze the below link at the one second mark it definitely looks like nobody has a better shot at the ball than Newton
"It was out of my reach, what do you want me to do, dive for it?" - ( New Window )

Old Yellow Stain.

...put it on display for all to see after losing the biggest game of his life?

In comment 12809561 Milton said:

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TV angles can be deceiving. My first impression was that he was right over the football and it's not easy for a 6'5" individual to "dive" directly down. It places your body in an awkward very vulnerable position compared with players diving "horizontally" for the ball. But other angles made it look not as problematic for him, so I don't know. If you freeze the below link at the one second mark it definitely looks like nobody has a better shot at the ball than Newton "It was out of my reach, what do you want me to do, dive for it?" - ( New Window )

When I was watching it live I thought he was in an awkward angle to actually "dive" for it. Watching the replay it looks like he instinctively moves to go recover the football as if unaware that there were other players diving for it, and then reacts at the last minute when he sees them around his knees. Regardless, Cam Newton has sacrificed his body more than any other QB this season - it's a silly argument to make that he's not willing to take a hit to help his team.

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In comment 12809561 Milton said: Quote: TV angles can be deceiving. My first impression was that he was right over the football and it's not easy for a 6'5" individual to "dive" directly down. It places your body in an awkward very vulnerable position compared with players diving "horizontally" for the ball. But other angles made it look not as problematic for him, so I don't know. If you freeze the below link at the one second mark it definitely looks like nobody has a better shot at the ball than Newton "It was out of my reach, what do you want me to do, dive for it?" - ( New Window ) When I was watching it live I thought he was in an awkward angle to actually "dive" for it. Watching the replay it looks like he instinctively moves to go recover the football as if unaware that there were other players diving for it, and then reacts at the last minute when he sees them around his knees. Regardless, Cam Newton has sacrificed his body more than any other QB this season - it's a silly argument to make that he's not willing to take a hit to help his team.

Yeah, why would any player want to actually go for the ball in the biggest game of the year. This is exactly what you want your QB to do, bail out when there is still a chance to win the game right???