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| Most figured it was just Newton in a bad mood. But now we know the real reason why Cam bailed: He heard Denver's Chris Harris explain close by that their gameplan was to make Carolina prove it could throw the football (which obviously the Panthers did not do well on Sunday). Here's what Harris said: "Load the box, force y'all to throw the ball. Can you throw the football? That was the gameplan." Now watch this video of Cam listening to Harris' words before walking off. |
With that said, there are things that he does that deserves criticism. Not diving for the fumble and staring at it reminded me of the catatonic Lebron James that showed up to lose against the Mavs in the Finals. He's a dynamic talent, but a bit of a front runner. He needs to show more maturity in dealing with adversity.
Racists exist. Groundbreaking stuff man.
Its not race, its winning for teams you do not root for. People begin looking for excuses to why they hate them and there are always reasons. LeBron doesnt act like Cam and there are plenty of people who hate him. But bottom line, they are hated because they are winning. They aren't worth hating if they aren't good.
Why does nobody care about Riley Cooper? He isnt that good. If he were a star, there would be discussion about him being a racist prick on a daily basis. But nobody cares enough about him to waste time and energy actively hating him.
The rest of your argument is valid, I just don't think that is an accurate statement.
Personally I think anger/hate mobilizes people more than the opposite, so I think there's barely much of a racial component to Wilson - but there's still some pepole who will openly say shit like that (and it's not .0001% like some of you try to believe) - and even more who only subconsciously make this connection.
It's a moot point though. Just cause something is one way for one guy doesn't mean there is automatically an equal and opposite reaction.
Oh and Chris, I never said I was saying anything groundbreaking. Racists exists, and some of the criticism he gets stems from that. Now go piss off.
I don't get why people keep bringing up Russel Wilson. He's one of the good ones.
I watch football because these guys are great football players. Not because they are PR wizards. If some of them happen to be a good interview or a good sport after a loss that's a plus I suppose. But if they're not it's not a big deal.
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the polar opposite of Cam on the class spectrum?
I don't get why people keep bringing up Russel Wilson. He's one of the good ones.
Him, Steve Largeant, and maybe Richard Sherman. But the rest of them suck.
Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.
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To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it?
Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.
There are tools in the media who have made a big deal of this, too. The usual suspects.
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To not make an attempt on that fumble, and instead pirouette away from it?
Who knows, but he's bigger than most of the guys trying to corral it. Might just have frozen.
Stop.
yikes
Newton is a punk, and I hope he never gets back to this stage.
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is that the only guy injecting race into the conversation about Cam Newton (good or bad) is Cam Newton himself. Nobody has been talking about him as a Black or African-American QB, outside of himself. He has been praised and criticized as a QB, a teammate, a person, etc. without race being involved.
There are tools in the media who have made a big deal of this, too. The usual suspects.
As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine."
Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right."
As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam."
Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media.
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This kid is a dick.
I'm sure Thomas Davis, among others on the Panthers, appreciate Cam's decision to not risk injury on the deciding play of the Super Bowl.
Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things.
OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level.
Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.
I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record).
I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.
Ah yes, "fun", the millenial explanation for players that act like children.
Great is so spot on with this. It reeks of just being fairweather "leader". I have no doubt that the Panthers and their fans love Cam when the going is good, but he acts like a tool when the going gets tough.
Is it a "race card" if he truly believes that? Did playing the "race card" really make him escape any criticism?
As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine."
Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right."
As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam."
Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media. Link - ( New Window )
I don't even see what's really that bad about this statement. I still think Greg from Li has it nailed though - if you're going to dance around and be demonstrative when you're killing it, fine, but don't act like a sore loser after you lose. Face the music.
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b) ignorant, or c) idiotic.
Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things.
OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level.
Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.
I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record).
I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.
Oh absolutely, and I can agree with a lot of your post. But like I said, I do believe there's a lot of people who dislike him more due to other factors, which are tangentially related to race (since race and culture are so intertwined), but not really directly related to him being black.
That's why I said in a thread (either this one or the other Cam thread) that the way he boiled it down to being a black QB was far too simplistic as well.
But I don't know how you sit and watch a replay of that fumble with your teammates, as they dive after their last chance to try and win the Super Bowl, on record with how your leg might get contorted if you lent a hand. That's pretty fucking awful.
And so odd - Cam sticks his head in people's chests, his own head into the end zone, he's a fearless runner - I just think he checked out after the beating he had taken.
As players were clearing out their lockers on Tuesday, Newton said, "If I offended anybody that's cool, but I know who I am and I'm not about to conform nor bend for anybody's expectations because yours or anybody's expectations would never exceed mine."
Newton went on to say, "Who are you to say that your way is right? I have all of these people who are condemning and saying this that and the third but what makes your way right."
As Newton talked, teammates walked behind the media assembled and shouted, "We love you, Cam."
Newton said he believes things were "blown out of proportion" by the media. Link - ( New Window )
I think the guy has embarrassed himself enough without people lying and misquoting him, He never once said if I offended anybody that's cool. I watched the whole interview.
But I don't know how you sit and watch a replay of that fumble with your teammates, as they dive after their last chance to try and win the Super Bowl, on record with how your leg might get contorted if you lent a hand. That's pretty fucking awful.
And so odd - Cam sticks his head in people's chests, his own head into the end zone, he's a fearless runner - I just think he checked out after the beating he had taken.
I was actually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the reason he didn't dive into the pile was because perhaps he was waiting to see what the ball was going to do. Often, players will all dive into a pile, and the ball will squirt out and a free player can scoop it up.
Turns out he just didn't want to get hurt.
Being an asshole isn't a culture, and if I were black I'd be insulted to be lumped into any category with such a lousy person.
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b) ignorant, or c) idiotic.
Cam coming off as a spoiled loser/baby and still having racial factors play into the over the top criticism of him are NOT even CLOSE to mutually exclusive things.
OBJ has shown up the opposing team far, far, far, far, far, far, worse than Cam EVER has, yet nobody seems to give 1/10th of a shit, either on this site or a national level.
Brett Favre was just "a kid having fun out there" - which is exactly what Cam looks like, since he doesn't really show up his opponents - and while Cam may have a little more swagger or come off as more cocky, I do think the fact that one seems to celebrate in a more urban/streetball fashion plays a large part in why so many people seem to despise him.
I've never thought badly of Cam for celebrating. I've thought badly when he's been a dick, or as he appeared after the Super Bowl, a petulant child. I'd have said the same thing if he had skin the same color as mine (pink, most times of the year, for the record).
I've been irritated with OBJ numerous times and openly have wished he'd just hand the football back to the official, get to the huddle, etc. We know it's a fucking first down, dude. Stop showing your ass and get to the next play.
Why would you be ok with Cam celebrating, but cringing when OBJ does?
Embarrassing behavior for the leagues MVP
should have handled it better, but really how friggin important is it?
As for the race factor: I think Sonic hits it, although I also think that for this particular set of circumstances, personal biases about "ghetto ball"'(or whatever you want to call it) merely exascerbate the criticism to a small degree. It's more a matter of his almost complete lack of emotional control that folks are interpreting as an insult to the game and profession.
should have handled it better, but really how friggin important is it?
Sure in the big scheme of things it isn't very important but to use the oppositions answers in an interview as a valid reason for his behavior is just plain silly. He was assuredly a sore loser and will probably be embarrassed by his behavior one day when he grows up a little.
Dave in Hoboken : 2/8/2016 3:42 pm : link : reply
who is made that he couldn't celebrate every 1st down last night like the clown that he is. So happy the right team and QB won.
Enough about Cam......
Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:13 pm : link : reply
It has all been settled. He is overrated. He is a coward. He is a piece of shit. There is no doubt about it!!!!!
Cam......
Dry Lightning : 2/8/2016 6:15 pm : link : reply
Icon. Entertainer. Loser. Coward. Demon.
I think the guy has embarrassed himself enough without people lying and misquoting him, He never once said if I offended anybody that's cool. I watched the whole interview.
I just saw him say it on the NFL Network. You must have missed that part...