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No Giants Defense in the top 10?

exiled : 2/9/2016 8:02 am
So, this is an article about the position of the Bronco's current Defense against the ten best ever. And of course I looked at the list to see which of our lauded Giants squads ranked in the top ten.

None did. Shocking. To me at least. Maybe you guys already realized this was the case.

-Top 10-
2013 Seattle Seahawks
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2000 Baltimore Ravens
1991 Philadelphia Eagles
1985 Chicago Bears
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers
1975 Los Angeles Rams
1973 Miami Dolphins
1971 Minnesota Vikings
1969 Kansas City Chiefs
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91 Eagles defense  
est1986 : 2/9/2016 8:07 am : link
Lmao
If Parcells signed Reggie White  
I Love Clams Casino : 2/9/2016 8:08 am : link
instead of letting him go to Green Bay (not sure Giants were even in the running, but I know they wanted him), the Giants would have made the list
What more did L.T. need to do  
est1986 : 2/9/2016 8:09 am : link
In order to gain respect with today's generation? A lethal dose of Coke might have done the trick.
Reggie White was never available to the  
Headhunter : 2/9/2016 8:10 am : link
Giants. He was picked by the Eagles the pick before the Giants picked
RE: Reggie White was never available to the  
I Love Clams Casino : 2/9/2016 8:19 am : link
In comment 12807221 Headhunter said:
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Giants. He was picked by the Eagles the pick before the Giants picked


after he left the Eagles, but before he went to Green Bay, he was available.
Yeah that's  
Headhunter : 2/9/2016 8:21 am : link
true
RE: RE: Reggie White was never available to the  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 8:35 am : link
In comment 12807227 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 12807221 Headhunter said:


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Giants. He was picked by the Eagles the pick before the Giants picked



after he left the Eagles, but before he went to Green Bay, he was available.


Yes, Reggie would have looked great in Pats uniform along side Will McGinest. Parcells was long gone by the time true FA came along.
*Willie* McGinest  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 8:35 am : link
...
The Giants D in '84, '85 and '86 owes no apologies to anyone  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 8:36 am : link
I hate these fucking lists
Subjective List  
BobR in Durham : 2/9/2016 8:48 am : link
The writer starts the article with:

"Let’s see how the Broncos D compares with the other great defenses in history.

We’ll start with a group of ten made up of the defenses widely considered to be the best in league history and figure out where the Broncos fit in."

So right off the bat, it's qualified as "widely considered as...", not backed up by any objective measures. It's a subjective list from the writer's memory, that's all. In other words, it's lazy journalism.
RE: 91 Eagles defense  
Chris in Philly : 2/9/2016 8:52 am : link
In comment 12807217 est1986 said:
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Lmao


How is that lmao? They were a great defense.

Our '86 defense is severely underrated for some reason. They were top 5 all time.
RE: If Parcells signed Reggie White  
Chris in Philly : 2/9/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 12807218 I Love Clams Casino said:
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instead of letting him go to Green Bay (not sure Giants were even in the running, but I know they wanted him), the Giants would have made the list


There's a lot wrong there.
RE: Reggie White was never available to the  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 12807221 Headhunter said:
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Giants. He was picked by the Eagles the pick before the Giants picked


False. The Eagles picked White #4 overall in the 1984 USFL supplemental draft. The Giants held the third pick, which they used to select Gary Zimmerman. Zimmerman, of course, refused to play in NY, so they traded him to the Vikings for three draft picks. With those picks, they selected Erik Howard, Mark Collins, and Greg Lasker.
and by mid-season, the '84 D may have been the best of them  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 8:56 am : link
Banks had taken over at SLB, Kinard was entrenched at FS and they had a true stud corner in Mark Haynes with Perry Williams on the other side. I thought LT had his best all around season that year.

I always felt that if Haynes didn't get hurt at St. Louis in December 1984, the Giants win that game and win the division. When he went down, Roy Green and Co started to do damage and the Cards won.
Chris, I actually think the 1990 defense was even better than 1986  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2016 8:57 am : link
Not as flashy and aggressive, not as much of a pass rush, but absolutely smothering. The 1990 secondary was far superior to 1986.
RE: Chris, I actually think the 1990 defense was even better than 1986  
Chris in Philly : 2/9/2016 9:00 am : link
In comment 12807322 Greg from LI said:
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Not as flashy and aggressive, not as much of a pass rush, but absolutely smothering. The 1990 secondary was far superior to 1986.


Yeah, they were great too, no question. But that 86 D. Oh my. They will always be the tits to me...
Greg is correct re the 1984 supplemental draft  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 9:00 am : link
A lot of teams took USFL players in that draft.

Where Clams is wrong is that while true that Reggie was a FA in 1993, Bill Parcells was already in New England.

Lasker was a disappointment. He looked like he had all the makings  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 9:02 am : link
of a good S but never panned out.

Luckily they nade up for it in 1989 and struck gold with Myron Guyton in the 8th round
RE: Greg is correct re the 1984 supplemental draft  
Chris in Philly : 2/9/2016 9:04 am : link
In comment 12807330 Victor in CT said:
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A lot of teams took USFL players in that draft.

Where Clams is wrong is that while true that Reggie was a FA in 1993, Bill Parcells was already in New England.


And on top of that we were never in the running. Washington, San Fran, and GB were the favorites. Though he made stops in a handful of other places as well...
'86 Giants...Best Playoff D ever...  
mvftw : 2/9/2016 9:16 am : link
Look at the 3 teams they played...Coaches & QB all were great at the time...I don't think any other team can boast that...
Walsh & Montana = 3 pts
Gibb & Schroeder = 0 pts
Reeves & Elway = 20 pts

Horrible list  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/9/2016 9:18 am : link
nothing more than click bait
That article is garbage, not surprising that it comes from the  
jcn56 : 2/9/2016 9:22 am : link
newspaper equivalent of a coloring book.
The best Giants defenses  
HoustonGiant : 2/9/2016 9:23 am : link
were "bend don't break". You could move between the 20's but you got very few touchdowns.
RE: '86 Giants...Best Playoff D ever...  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 9:29 am : link
In comment 12807350 mvftw said:
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Look at the 3 teams they played...Coaches & QB all were great at the time...I don't think any other team can boast that...
Walsh & Montana = 3 pts
Gibb & Schroeder = 0 pts
Reeves & Elway = 20 pts


the '85 Bears gave up 10 point in 3 games.
The 1991 Eagles defense was extremely good  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/9/2016 9:30 am : link
Simmons, Brown, White, Joyner, Allen...
RE: RE: '86 Giants...Best Playoff D ever...  
mvftw : 2/9/2016 9:44 am : link
In comment 12807386 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 12807350 mvftw said:


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Look at the 3 teams they played...Coaches & QB all were great at the time...I don't think any other team can boast that...
Walsh & Montana = 3 pts
Gibb & Schroeder = 0 pts
Reeves & Elway = 20 pts




the '85 Bears gave up 10 point in 3 games.


Victor...read the whole quote...The Giants played against great teams...the Bears did not. The Bears also had a great D...
RE: RE: RE: '86 Giants...Best Playoff D ever...  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 9:47 am : link
In comment 12807409 mvftw said:
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In comment 12807386 Victor in CT said:


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In comment 12807350 mvftw said:


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Look at the 3 teams they played...Coaches & QB all were great at the time...I don't think any other team can boast that...
Walsh & Montana = 3 pts
Gibb & Schroeder = 0 pts
Reeves & Elway = 20 pts




the '85 Bears gave up 10 point in 3 games.



Victor...read the whole quote...The Giants played against great teams...the Bears did not. The Bears also had a great D...


I realize. Still a remarkable achievement though.
Yeah, I would think Giants fans in particular respect those Eagles Ds  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2016 9:48 am : link
Since they used to knock the shit outta the Giants from 1988-92. Before Jerome Brown's death, that was the best DL I've ever seen.
RE: Yeah, I would think Giants fans in particular respect those Eagles Ds  
jcn56 : 2/9/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 12807419 Greg from LI said:
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Since they used to knock the shit outta the Giants from 1988-92. Before Jerome Brown's death, that was the best DL I've ever seen.


I did respect the Eagles D quite a bit because that DL was sick, but just going by what they did to the Giants wasn't an indicator. Our offense back then wasn't exactly some unstoppable force.

If anything, the Eagles unit that deserved some kudos for their performances against the Giants would be the offense. That f'n offense gave the Giants D, which was normally a brick wall, fits.
a fair point  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2016 10:01 am : link
I just have such vivid memories of shots of Simms writhing on that shitty Vet turf after getting splattered by that DL yet again.
That 1991 Eagles D...  
Chris in Philly : 2/9/2016 11:11 am : link
finished 1st in Rushing yards allowed, 1st in Passing yards allowed, and 1st in Points allowed. A whole squad of Buddy's players coached by Bud Carson.

LDE Reggie White
LDT Mike Pitts
RDT Jerome Brown
RDE Clyde Simmons

LLB Seth Joyner
MLB Byron Evans
RLB Jessie Small

LCB Ben Smith
RCB Eric Allen
SS Andre Waters
FS Wes Hopkins

Plus rotation players like Andy Harmon and Golic.

I hope we never see an Eagles defense like that again. Anyone laughing at them should watch some film.
The 1991 Eagles D  
SMitch2 : 2/9/2016 4:50 pm : link
Is one of the statistically best ever. Deserves to be on there.

Oddly, the Bears 1986 D was statistically better than their 1985 D...

The Giants 1990 D has one of the lowest Points Allowed for an entire season (they are like #3 all time). It should on that list.

It was better at keeping opponents out of the end zone than our 1986 D -- which was more ferrocious/intimidating D in terms of destroying offensive teams and sacking the QB. The 90 D was more smothering, but less big play IIRC.
the '86 Bears defense played against one of the weakest schedules  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
in NFL history. They weren't nearly as dominant as 1985 except on paper.
Yep  
Headhunter : 2/9/2016 5:14 pm : link
I got that wrong, we picked Zimmerman with the 3rd pick and the Eagles took White with the 4th pick
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