He'll come back with a re-worked contract and give it a go. There's some risk to the Giants with this strategy, but the guy has always been a gamer and a solid citizen, unless he's decided to hang them up, I don't see him playing hardball for the money, and I don't see the Giants refusing him a chance at a roster spot.
Cruz isn't going to be cut that's absurd. He'll agree to a contract modification and come to camp. How stupid would the Giants look if they cut him before the season and he went to the Jets, lets say, and caught 80 balls. This is just trying to get clicks.
ahh there's that peachy headhunter we all know and love
I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
I'm sure he knows nobody in the NFL will offer anything close to his current contract, and his best marketing opportunities are in the NYC area. If the Giants offer what he would get on the open market he'll take it.
That contract makes sense if he's producing 100 catch seasons
but it doesn't make sense if he can't get on the field. He will have to take a pay cut or he is gone.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
but it doesn't make sense if he can't get on the field. He will have to take a pay cut or he is gone.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
And why wouldn't he take a cut? So he could get released and take a one year "show me" deal at near vet min? He and his agent are smarter than that.
would have a different situation under Mac versus TC at this time of year. Next summer, yeah, but right now it's all business. And just to add to 56's point, nobody on the team is McAdoo's guy so using the HH logic, I would expect 53 cuts soon.
If he's willing to touch his contract, and I'd wager he will be, he's going to get another year with NYG to regain his form. If he's got something left, he'll be here.
I expect all these guy except for Beason to be NYG's
If they take the necessary paycuts. At the very least they provide needed depth if the injuries they have had are healed. It's not like the Giants are loaded with talent at WR or OL.
is exactly the type of low-ceiling decision on aging, fragile veterans the regime must move away from. Especially when said player(s) has already spent the majority of two seasons sitting on the pine.
If they're dirt cheap backups there's some logic.
RE: RE: That contract makes sense if he's producing 100 catch seasons
but it doesn't make sense if he can't get on the field. He will have to take a pay cut or he is gone.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
And why wouldn't he take a cut? So he could get released and take a one year "show me" deal at near vet min? He and his agent are smarter than that.
I suspect he will take the deal. And I don't really buy into McAdoo guy or not. When he was healthy, there would have been a place for him on any team, with any coach.
is that they would have to guarantee a decent amount of money. That could potentially give them a bigger cap hit this year, but defray the hit over the remaining 2 years. It actually makes more sense for the Giants to cut him than restructure.
when Cruz did practice recently did the Giants staff notice any drop off of speed, quickness, agility/ability? I think what made him dangerous was that quickness into and through routes
Tell me the advantages of cutting Cruz, please. More cap space and another hole. Yes, our goal should be to lead the league in cap space with the plethora of immense talent that is going to be available this FA period. Outfuckingstanding.
The only way he gets cut is if he starts his comeback and cannot get on the field. Even then we still may ride it out if there is a chance he will see the field again.
he would have 0 players on the roster, but we all know that.However, that wasn't what I said. What I did say was McAdoo has no past to speak of with Cruz and cutting him would not surprise me
they've watched victor since he signed that deal. the victor cruz of 2011 isn't coming back - ever. same with JPP. those seasons were almost unexplainably good - cruz was having an out of body experience imo.
he wants nothing to do with the NFL grind anymore
I'd cut the fat like beason, cruz and schwartz - they hold you hostage by making you think they're part of the plans. then u end up sucking at those positions
they've watched victor since he signed that deal. the victor cruz of 2011 isn't coming back - ever. same with JPP. those seasons were almost unexplainably good - cruz was having an out of body experience imo.
he wants nothing to do with the NFL grind anymore
Yeah that is why he works out like a madman...how do you make this crap up about him not wanting to be part of the grind?
No he cannot be counted on. But you don't get rid of him out of hand. If healthy, he's still probably the best slot guy on the team. While he may not be a #2 anymore, he is still likely better than Harris. But let's wait and see how he looks before dismissing him.
headhunter moves his goalposts and thomas shows he's clueless
I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
Except that your statement is false.
One, when they reduce his salary, they will have to guarantee the portion they agree to. Thus, that WILL count even if he is cut.
Two, Cruz's remaining pro-rated bonus DOES continue to count against the cap.
Three, if the Giants wait until camp to make a decision, and Cruz simply is not healthy, then pro-rated bonus AND the guaranteed salary count against the cap- and put them in an even worse financial spot in August than if they had simply cut him in February/March.
Finally, you might not have remembered that cuts AFTER June 1 are spread out over TWO league years. Thus, the effect of cutting Cruz in/after camp would be that the dead money would be spread out over two years.
The Giants simply cannot take that chance that Cruz has nothing left, and then have the cap hit spread out even longer. They must bite the bullet and cut Cruz either now or when the league year starts in March.
Look, once Cruz was the Giants best WR and a legitimate top end player. But injuries happen to even the best guys. The NFL is a "now" league due to the cap. That means that teams can no longer afford to pay for past performance. They must make decisions based on what the player can contribute going forward. If a team allows loyalty to override performance going forward, that is how you end up with an underperforming team.
Sorry, but the facts ARE the facts- and emotion has nothing to do with facts. Cruz might have something left in the tank, but he won't be proving it with the Giants, as their team needs require that they permanently cut all financial ties now while they have the cap space to absorb the hit, and not let emotions cause problems for next year's cap space.
and will compete in camp. I'm sure they'll see what he has left before any thoughts of cutting him. This seems most probable for him, however the others mentioned in the article stand a higher chance of being cut.
who gives a sh#t?? I'm talking about his desire to actually play NFL football..he's jumping through the hoops in order to cash checks.
we're talking about a really smart dude who knows exactly how to play the system and leverage what he's already done
Some people just don't want to accept when it's over, and will kick and scream if you don't agree with their delusions.
You keep beating that drum that Cruz will come back and be anything of significance to this team.
You're the same people who did it for Steve Smith if I had to guess.
You'll be disappointed........ yet again.
who gives a sh#t?? I'm talking about his desire to actually play NFL football..he's jumping through the hoops in order to cash checks.
we're talking about a really smart dude who knows exactly how to play the system and leverage what he's already done
So the Giants are so stupid that they are being fooled by Cruz who is working out as window dressing, presumably at the Giants facilities.
I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
Except that your statement is false.
One, when they reduce his salary, they will have to guarantee the portion they agree to. Thus, that WILL count even if he is cut.
Two, Cruz's remaining pro-rated bonus DOES continue to count against the cap.
Three, if the Giants wait until camp to make a decision, and Cruz simply is not healthy, then pro-rated bonus AND the guaranteed salary count against the cap- and put them in an even worse financial spot in August than if they had simply cut him in February/March.
Finally, you might not have remembered that cuts AFTER June 1 are spread out over TWO league years. Thus, the effect of cutting Cruz in/after camp would be that the dead money would be spread out over two years.
The Giants simply cannot take that chance that Cruz has nothing left, and then have the cap hit spread out even longer. They must bite the bullet and cut Cruz either now or when the league year starts in March.
Look, once Cruz was the Giants best WR and a legitimate top end player. But injuries happen to even the best guys. The NFL is a "now" league due to the cap. That means that teams can no longer afford to pay for past performance. They must make decisions based on what the player can contribute going forward. If a team allows loyalty to override performance going forward, that is how you end up with an underperforming team.
Sorry, but the facts ARE the facts- and emotion has nothing to do with facts. Cruz might have something left in the tank, but he won't be proving it with the Giants, as their team needs require that they permanently cut all financial ties now while they have the cap space to absorb the hit, and not let emotions cause problems for next year's cap space.
So we can stop hearing pointless stories of how hard he's working for months and months on end. Only to sit out for a year because of a muscle pull, or are you not tired of hearing about the rehab MVPs on this team?
If not then there is no point, rip off the band-aid now, or later? It doesn't matter.....
What does that mean? Are you saying that Cruz wasn't his initial roster guy like everyone else?
Miller hasn't missed the past 2 seasons.
Eli too
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
And why wouldn't he take a cut? So he could get released and take a one year "show me" deal at near vet min? He and his agent are smarter than that.
hey gets a chance to stay at a cheaper, incentive laden deal
Cruz isn't going anywhere unless he shows up to camp in crutches.
If they're dirt cheap backups there's some logic.
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but it doesn't make sense if he can't get on the field. He will have to take a pay cut or he is gone.
I hope they do work it out because I have a vision of Cruz and OBJ giving defensive backfields real problems in how they cover inside and outside. I'd like the contract to be worked out and that vision get a chance to happen.
And why wouldn't he take a cut? So he could get released and take a one year "show me" deal at near vet min? He and his agent are smarter than that.
I suspect he will take the deal. And I don't really buy into McAdoo guy or not. When he was healthy, there would have been a place for him on any team, with any coach.
The only way he gets cut is if he starts his comeback and cannot get on the field. Even then we still may ride it out if there is a chance he will see the field again.
he wants nothing to do with the NFL grind anymore
he wants nothing to do with the NFL grind anymore
Yeah that is why he works out like a madman...how do you make this crap up about him not wanting to be part of the grind?
No he cannot be counted on. But you don't get rid of him out of hand. If healthy, he's still probably the best slot guy on the team. While he may not be a #2 anymore, he is still likely better than Harris. But let's wait and see how he looks before dismissing him.
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I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
Except that your statement is false.
One, when they reduce his salary, they will have to guarantee the portion they agree to. Thus, that WILL count even if he is cut.
Two, Cruz's remaining pro-rated bonus DOES continue to count against the cap.
Three, if the Giants wait until camp to make a decision, and Cruz simply is not healthy, then pro-rated bonus AND the guaranteed salary count against the cap- and put them in an even worse financial spot in August than if they had simply cut him in February/March.
Finally, you might not have remembered that cuts AFTER June 1 are spread out over TWO league years. Thus, the effect of cutting Cruz in/after camp would be that the dead money would be spread out over two years.
The Giants simply cannot take that chance that Cruz has nothing left, and then have the cap hit spread out even longer. They must bite the bullet and cut Cruz either now or when the league year starts in March.
Look, once Cruz was the Giants best WR and a legitimate top end player. But injuries happen to even the best guys. The NFL is a "now" league due to the cap. That means that teams can no longer afford to pay for past performance. They must make decisions based on what the player can contribute going forward. If a team allows loyalty to override performance going forward, that is how you end up with an underperforming team.
Sorry, but the facts ARE the facts- and emotion has nothing to do with facts. Cruz might have something left in the tank, but he won't be proving it with the Giants, as their team needs require that they permanently cut all financial ties now while they have the cap space to absorb the hit, and not let emotions cause problems for next year's cap space.
we're talking about a really smart dude who knows exactly how to play the system and leverage what he's already done
You keep beating that drum that Cruz will come back and be anything of significance to this team.
You're the same people who did it for Steve Smith if I had to guess.
You'll be disappointed........ yet again.
we're talking about a really smart dude who knows exactly how to play the system and leverage what he's already done
So the Giants are so stupid that they are being fooled by Cruz who is working out as window dressing, presumably at the Giants facilities.
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I wish him well and hope he recovers, but he's another guy who do to health reasons cannot be counted on, and therefore should not be allowed to take up significant cap space.
Oh, the "cap space" argument. But, of course, he doesn't take up any cap space unless he can make the team. If he can then he's worth his cap space.
Except that your statement is false.
One, when they reduce his salary, they will have to guarantee the portion they agree to. Thus, that WILL count even if he is cut.
Two, Cruz's remaining pro-rated bonus DOES continue to count against the cap.
Three, if the Giants wait until camp to make a decision, and Cruz simply is not healthy, then pro-rated bonus AND the guaranteed salary count against the cap- and put them in an even worse financial spot in August than if they had simply cut him in February/March.
Finally, you might not have remembered that cuts AFTER June 1 are spread out over TWO league years. Thus, the effect of cutting Cruz in/after camp would be that the dead money would be spread out over two years.
The Giants simply cannot take that chance that Cruz has nothing left, and then have the cap hit spread out even longer. They must bite the bullet and cut Cruz either now or when the league year starts in March.
Look, once Cruz was the Giants best WR and a legitimate top end player. But injuries happen to even the best guys. The NFL is a "now" league due to the cap. That means that teams can no longer afford to pay for past performance. They must make decisions based on what the player can contribute going forward. If a team allows loyalty to override performance going forward, that is how you end up with an underperforming team.
Sorry, but the facts ARE the facts- and emotion has nothing to do with facts. Cruz might have something left in the tank, but he won't be proving it with the Giants, as their team needs require that they permanently cut all financial ties now while they have the cap space to absorb the hit, and not let emotions cause problems for next year's cap space.
thanks rich. I don't have the energy sometimes.
haters and apologists indeed
So we can stop hearing pointless stories of how hard he's working for months and months on end. Only to sit out for a year because of a muscle pull, or are you not tired of hearing about the rehab MVPs on this team?
If not then there is no point, rip off the band-aid now, or later? It doesn't matter.....