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Updated and very realistic pre-combine mock

GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 12:43 pm
and I am very intrigued by the Giants selections helping out the three levels on the D with great, young TALENT.

Of course a lot changes with FA and combine, but with all the crap mocks out there....this first round seems somewhat realistic at this point in time.
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certainly fills holes  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2016 12:46 pm : link
but then again pretty much any pick away from QB does
I'll take it!  
BLUATHRT : 2/9/2016 12:50 pm : link
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Just  
SoZKillA : 2/9/2016 12:54 pm : link
As long as we don't draft Buckner I'll be happy. I don't want any sort Oregon players on this defense.
Ndemkiche concerns me  
sjnyfan : 2/9/2016 12:54 pm : link
His final season didn't wow me but he had a major red flag to end the year. I can't see him going top 10. There's quite a few others I'd rather have.

I like Apple but it would kill me to see Braxton Miller go next. I don't think he'll last that long anyway.

Wright would be a good 3rd pick. He had a down year but battled through some injuries. The process will be very important for him to rebuild what was first rd stock just a year ago.
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sjnyfan : 2/9/2016 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12807841 SoZKillA said:
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As long as we don't draft Buckner I'll be happy. I don't want any sort Oregon players on this defense.


Agreed. I haven't seen anything in his game that would make me even slightly consider him at 10.
Ndemkiche needs to be vetted well  
JonC : 2/9/2016 12:56 pm : link
and the whispers during bowl season were there's more going on with him than has reached the public awareness. Stay tuned.

Scooby has banged up legs.
there can only be one Eli  
Rocky369 : 2/9/2016 1:00 pm : link
not happy.
Doubt we go DT in the first round.  
MOOPS : 2/9/2016 1:01 pm : link
We've never valued DTs all that high and we still have Hankins.
Apple would be a steal at 40. Unfortunately there's no way he there.
An off the fiield AND injury question mark in the first 3 picks?  
njm : 2/9/2016 1:06 pm : link
Too much risk. Pass on either Ndemkishe or Wright. Possibly replace Wright with Matakavich.
So which of the DL, would you have if available  
GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 1:13 pm : link
Ndemkiche
Lawson
Buckner
Spence
He's a talented kid...  
Dunedin81 : 2/9/2016 1:19 pm : link
but he jumped out a fourth story window because he was high. And he had character concerns before that. I can't see him getting that sort of grade. Randy Gregory took a nosedive, arguably for less.
Sign me up.  
FranknWeezer : 2/9/2016 1:23 pm : link
Bit of a headcase, maybe. I call him 'unique.' Just a freak athelete/headhunter at his size.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoNwmtrGACw
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The giants could use some guys who have an edge  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/9/2016 1:28 pm : link
Lot of smart pussies on this team.
don't see then taking a DT  
bc4life : 2/9/2016 1:31 pm : link
especially with of the filed concerns.

Like others have suggested - most likely picks are: de, cb, wr. I would think DE or CB, because the value should be there.

Elliott might be a surprise pick. Been watching the Giants for decades - they are way long overdue for a great every down rb. It's a passing league, but the run game helps the passing game.

RE: The giants could use some guys who have an edge  
GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 1:33 pm : link
In comment 12807883 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Lot of smart pussies on this team.


Yea I agree. Not sure if a guy who jumps out a four-story window is the type, but I want to see him evaluated first. He is way too talented and his '15 season numbers don't tell the whole story in terms of his production.
No.  
AcidTest : 2/9/2016 1:35 pm : link
We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.
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njm : 2/9/2016 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12807896 AcidTest said:
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We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.


I'd love Apple in the 2nd. I doubt he'll be there.
RE: No.  
GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12807896 AcidTest said:
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We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.


Why wouldn't you want Apple in the second. I feel that would be a steal. Some are saying he is the top CB in the draft. It might be unrealistic to expect him to be there in the second. Who would you take at 10?
Apple is going to rise  
JonC : 2/9/2016 1:40 pm : link
1st rounder.
Isn't that guy working  
SomeFan : 2/9/2016 1:43 pm : link
with a bunch of loose screws? We will NEVER take that risk in a year where Reese cannot miss in Round 1. Reese will not take that risk.
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AcidTest : 2/9/2016 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12807902 GuzzaBlue said:
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We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.



Why wouldn't you want Apple in the second. I feel that would be a steal. Some are saying he is the top CB in the draft. It might be unrealistic to expect him to be there in the second. Who would you take at 10?


Apple is a grabber. Lots of holding and PI penalties the last few years. Physical and tough with upside, but not nearly a finished product in coverage. Benefitted a lot from OSU front seven. Good player, but I think we can do better at #40. But probably won't last that long anyway.

Not sure who I'd take at #10. Maybe Alexander or Hargreaves, but I think it would be better to trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch. Goff and Wentz will be gone by #10, and there's a big drop off after Lynch to every other QB.
one poster  
grizz299 : 2/9/2016 1:53 pm : link
said he's probably not on our board. Agree, his brother was even worse.

I am concerned because it looks like there's a severe drop off right before us. I was hoping that this draft was like 2013 when we got OBJ and Donald and Zack were still there too.
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GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12807918 AcidTest said:
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We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.



Why wouldn't you want Apple in the second. I feel that would be a steal. Some are saying he is the top CB in the draft. It might be unrealistic to expect him to be there in the second. Who would you take at 10?



Apple is a grabber. Lots of holding and PI penalties the last few years. Physical and tough with upside, but not nearly a finished product in coverage. Benefitted a lot from OSU front seven. Good player, but I think we can do better at #40. But probably won't last that long anyway.

Not sure who I'd take at #10. Maybe Alexander or Hargreaves, but I think it would be better to trade down. Maybe somebody wants to move up for Lynch. Goff and Wentz will be gone by #10, and there's a big drop off after Lynch to every other QB.


I've heard that about Apple regarding the holding and penalties, but consider he is only 20. With his size and athleticism hopefully he would learn better technique with experience and coaching- lots of upside and talent. I love Hargreaves especially his bulldog mentality and instincts, but is he too short? To take at ten at least.

The buckeye I like the most is actually Lee. I know Reese doesn't value the LB in the first as much as others, but with a tradeback I'd be more than happy to take in the first. He is similar to Jack with longer arms and experience playing ILB. Plus is outstanding blitzer which helps the pass rush.
RE: The giants could use some guys who have an edge  
Giantology : 2/9/2016 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12807883 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Lot of smart pussies on this team.


Yeah, we need more stupid meatheads. Let's start targeting guys with a history of violence and abuse, hopefully they force the pussies on the team to step up.
RE: So which of the DL, would you have if available  
The_Boss : 2/9/2016 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12807861 GuzzaBlue said:
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Ndemkiche
Lawson
Buckner
Spence


Spence
RE: RE: So which of the DL, would you have if available  
GuzzaBlue : 2/9/2016 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12807988 The_Boss said:
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Ndemkiche
Lawson
Buckner
Spence



Spence


Completely agreed. If he does well at the combine, then forget about him lasting to ten.
I'd go for Lawson.  
Ira : 2/9/2016 2:26 pm : link
He's a good pass rusher and plays the run well. He's got good size and athletic ability. He seems like a solid guy too.
RE: The giants could use some guys who have an edge  
BMac : 2/9/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12807883 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Lot of smart pussies on this team.


Just got rid of one dummy (Moore). Just what we need is a completely out of control fool (Nkemdiche) for the next experiment.
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BMac : 2/9/2016 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12807900 njm said:
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We are not drafting Nkemdiche at #10. Headcase. Reese's job is in jeopardy, but he's going to draft a guy with character problems? That's the one negative trait he's corrected in the last few years. Staying away from these guys. He's probably not even on their board.

Don't like Apple or Wright in the second or third either.



I'd love Apple in the 2nd. I doubt he'll be there.


Would he then be known as the "Little Apple?"
I'd bet my left nut  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/9/2016 2:44 pm : link
that the Giants don't touch Nkemdiche or Scooby.
Shoot you have to draft a guy named Eli freaking Apple  
map7711 : 2/9/2016 4:32 pm : link
Plus another guy named Scooby!! Can't miss!!!
Can't see it either.  
yatqb : 2/9/2016 6:14 pm : link
Too big a risk at #10, and lots of DTs on the board...indeed, it might be the strongest position in the first few rounds.
Apple  
Dragon : 2/10/2016 12:10 pm : link
In the 2nd would be nothing other than highway robbery and since we are already stealing let's steal his teammate Joshua Perry in the third. I think Apple is a very young CB but has the frame to grow in a very special FS in a couple of years in the NFL. Perry got lost in all the talent on defense but he would force Kennard inside which would surely improve two positions on defense. If for some reason Joshua Garnett was still there in the fourth than i would have to say we were the Robin Hoods of the 2016 draft.

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