WR Coleman In Round 1 For The Giants

Got Detroit nowhere. Megaton only needed another WR. Rright? So did the offense win us the Saints game? Where were Antonio Borwn amd Maravious Bryant picked. You can get very productive WRs all over the draft. If there's a similarly rated defensive player Reese better run to the podium. Too many people think Madden and Fantasy football are the real world. You can't be unbalanced as badly as the Giants are

They need about 7 new definitive starters and we should grab a WR? Yeah. Not unless you think he's better than OBJ. They don't have one differences makes on the defensive side of the ball. If there's on there they better pick him or this team will be picking in the top 15 for the 3rd year in a row

Good point about the WR fetish from last year...

No offense but that's an awful analogy. Detroit? The position they drafted wasn't the problem. It was the players.

If they picked Calvin Johnson and 2 other studs it would have been fine. The problem was one of the WRs sucked and the other was a lunatic.

The other point about finding them later isn't much better. I can come up with several studs at any position to refute the "You can get ____ (enter any position) in the later rounds" routine. RBs, TEs, OL, Pass rushers, corners, whatever, you can find gems in later rounds. The problem is it rarely happens.

With the #10 pick you want to get an impact player. Position doesn't matter outside of QB. And WR certainly shouldn't be with this team because we only have one. And it sure isn't a problem if you have 2 great WRs playing together.

to drive through your skulls is that the Giants aren't going to tie their own hands and force a defensive pick.

Will the BPA be a WR? Maybe not, but declaring a WR impossible is both arrogant and stupid.

The Giants have 5 other draft picks, and lots of cash. They don't "need" to draft defense at 10.

And the #3 WR gets a ton of snaps on every team. This team has one legitimate pass catching option. Maybe 2 if you count Vereen. That isn't enough.

We need at least one quality starting WR.

If Jeffries isn't available, there are a few potential guys in FA that can fill a #2 role. But you may not get a very good return on them.

It's a position of need just as much as any other.

You want to reach for an undersized LB? We can get them later right?

You want a DE like Lawson with limited potential? We can get that later too.

Those terrible players (Mike Williams out of USC, and the head case Rogers?). They were drafted BEFORE Calvin Johnson.

Should the Lions have adjusted their draft value on Calvin Johnson on anything these 2 clowns did? Of course not. Another player (or two) failing at the same position means nothing to the value you place on a current player.

Anybody see the Broncos QB's combines for 19 TD passes and 23 int's?

Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl

I agree that there don't seem to be any DE prospects in that range that don't have some warts. There is no homerun 4-3 DE.

Bosa will be gone.

Can Buckner play 4-3? He doesn't seem like the edge guy the Giants would expect at 10.

Will Lawson and Ogbah grade out that high? Doesn't seem like it.

In comment 12808350 Giants2012 said:

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Anybody see the Broncos QB's combines for 19 TD passes and 23 int's? Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl

What does that have to do with the issue at hand? You guys are dancing around the issue by talking about Detroit, Carolina, and Denver.

None of that changes the fact that IF a WR grades out the highest you take him

Top 10..BPA. End of fucking story.

I also like Shepard...both would look great in Giant Blue.

The 2 LBs are coming off serious injuries and the UCLA kid (who is a stud) is undersized.

You have a DT or 2 in there?

RB from Ohio State would certainly help.

Maybe the S/CB from Florida State (IF he's there at 10)

Coleman is certainly not the only option but he has to be on the short list.

After he tears up the combine and everybody starts raving about his Beckham/Brown type skills it will make more sense.

And the speed differentiates him from Wright as you pointed out KWALL, but 10 is a bit early. His hands are not that great as his 12% drop rate last year shows. Definitely a top 20 pick with upside, but a gamble at 10 for Reese in my opinion at this time.

Let's see him blow up the combine.

can't miss player

There is.

the offensive line.

In comment 12808414 Beer Man said:

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can't miss player

There are can't miss players taken every draft. It's just that they're seldom identified as such, or are incorrectly labelled as such.

Larry Fitzgerald was named as a can't miss player and everyone who did so was right. But so was Robert Gallery in the same draft, and everyone was wrong.

If he were accurately evaluated as the can't miss player he wound up becoming, he'd have been long gone before our pick.

History has proven it's much easier to find a very good WR in the draft 2nd thru fifth rounds than a good DL. We still have a great deal of information to be provided about the final top 20 players in this draft. Right now i see Threadwell as a BPA at ten if there, Elliott a strong player to change the face of our running game. Will one of the top two OL fall to ten that's a big question and will he be BPA? As for the DL the combine will kind of tell us much more about who is a real top talent and gifted with special tools. Just can't see any LB's due to the injury concerns worth the risk at 10. The secondary guys will be much like the DL the combine is going to tell us much more than we presently know.

The keys to the draft and FA is not the 1st pick or big money FA's it's every player we draft and every FA we sign becoming a valued part of this team future. I want to see a team full of new faces the old ones have shown us they don't belong so lets move on from them.

In comment 12807989 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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He's got a little bit of that DeSean Jackson attitude to him. Hard Pass for me we already have Beckham no need for another Diva.

Based on what? I've seen a few Baylor games and have no clue where you're getting this from. How do you diagnose someone being a potential diva? TO wasn't TO in Tennessee Chatanooga. It's a dumb reason to rule someone off your board. Dynamic playmaker, but you think he projects to a diva so no? GTFOH.

he's clearly a better player than his combine, in large part because his unreal hands. So comparing this guys combine numbers with OBJ isn't all that helpful in arguing he's going to be a great player.

In comment 12808330 KWALL2 said:

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No offense but that's an awful analogy. Detroit? The position they drafted wasn't the problem. It was the players. If they picked Calvin Johnson and 2 other studs it would have been fine. The problem was one of the WRs sucked and the other was a lunatic. The other point about finding them later isn't much better. I can come up with several studs at any position to refute the "You can get ____ (enter any position) in the later rounds" routine. RBs, TEs, OL, Pass rushers, corners, whatever, you can find gems in later rounds. The problem is it rarely happens. With the #10 pick you want to get an impact player. Position doesn't matter outside of QB. And WR certainly shouldn't be with this team because we only have one. And it sure isn't a problem if you have 2 great WRs playing together.

Kev my point is that if two players are rated the same you go defense. Especially since he whole unit blows. You may be totally right about this kid. But if Myles Jack is there(just using him as an example) and he can be an all pro stud and is rated just as highly you grab him over the WR. Sure they need a #2. But if say reason Bruckner or Bosa are there I want one of them. They are playing w too many guys on D who should be out of work. I agree. They desperately need a guy who can play from day one. But any offensive player has to be a hands down stud to ignore the D. Maybe you. Are right but even if this kid is all your say I just don't see the team ever getting the full benefit she they couldn't stop anyone last year.

Thomas Lewis was just as fast. Neither one amounted to much as a wide receiver. Steve Smith (the Giants Steve Smith) wasn't very fast. But, as a rookie, he helped us win a Super Bowl and had a very good career until injuries wrecked it. Wide receiver is a skill position. Guys who kill the combine, but can't hold on to the ball or run good routes become busts.

approach the first round of the draft.....

gauge what the Giants will do.

Although they have largely gone BPA there is some validity to the assumption they might lean a bit more towards need than in the past, though its more likely they won't.

Every year is a little different and it depends on what the roster looks like on draft day and who is there when they pick. Nothing is ever set in stone.

That said, looking at the roster right now - I'd much rather them go after a defensive playmaker than an offensive one. Even if its Myles Jack. He might be undersized but so is Coleman so if we're talking about size I don't think it matters.

The offense kept up with pretty much everyone last year, including the Patriots and Panthers. Sure, we're one injury away from being barren at WR. The same can be said for the DL, LB, and CB's - and they're already in worse shape to begin with. The cupboard is bare everywhere. There is more than one round. I would like to see that top 10 talent fall in to the defense. Its long overdue. We can get a WR in round 2 or 3 or better yet, sign one as a FA and not worry as much about it.

The Giants proved last season that having an explosive offense still means a big fat embarrassing loss when their defense is absolutely awful.

Who knows what the Giants will do though. The only thing I know is that the Giants are money in the 1st round so whoever they draft will be a good player. I hope its a defensive player. Really, any position will do. They broke away from the trend when they drafted David Wilson. They might even do it again with a LB, though its doubtful.

with Myles Jack is not that he's undersized. It's that he's not playing a premium position. He's a 4-3 OLB whose best asset is being able to cover tight ends. You can find that without spending a top 10 pick.

I know the obvious comeback is that we haven't, and that's true, but that doesn't change the point. We need a real playmaker at this pick, whether it's offensive or defensive. That's why Coleman makes a lot of sense. Dude makes things happen.

In comment 12808683 Jon in NYC said:

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with Myles Jack is not that he's undersized. It's that he's not playing a premium position. He's a 4-3 OLB whose best asset is being able to cover tight ends. You can find that without spending a top 10 pick. I know the obvious comeback is that we haven't, and that's true, but that doesn't change the point. We need a real playmaker at this pick, whether it's offensive or defensive. That's why Coleman makes a lot of sense. Dude makes things happen.

I'm not really against picking Coleman. But if they do, they had better splurge in FA to fix the defense. Like I mentioned before, the offense already kept up with the best teams last season and the team still lost because the defense was so dreadful. That was the biggest issue last season and thats not something a WR can fix.

He's the type of player this defense needs. He'll be on the field on every down. He's the sort you will look back on after 5 or so years and say, yeah - if that talent was there in the draft I'd take it at #10.

The Giants don't draft LB's that high. The value just hasn't ever been there. But there are always exceptions. Its likely he won't be the pick because of the Giants draft philosophy but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the discussion.

In 20 years at his oosition. Pull out the list of guys running short shuttles in the 3.9s with a 6.6 3 cones. It's a very short list.

slightly more.

In comment 12808646 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Kev my point is that if two players are rated the same you go defense. Especially since he whole unit blows.

this ^^^ and not only this, butI think the defensive talent available in Round 1 and 2 may over shadow the Offensive talent that is available.

KWALL loves to fall in love with a "hidden gem" he has pegged and is a one-horse enamored drafter, and I love his passion, but the Giants need to do some serious investing in the defense this year and they have to come out of this draft with some impact defensive players. Thankfully, there is reason to believe that the defensive talent in the draft this year appears to outweigh the offensive talent - and there will be plenty of solid top ten defensive choices where the Giants pick in both the first and second rounds. In no way will the Giants be "settling" for a defensive player over the talent that is available.

Whatever points can be made for picking a WR or OLineman or RB int the first round -- just do not stand up to the strength of this year's draft talents, and the appalling lack/and/or/failure of draft investment on defense in the past five years.

would I be surprised if the Giants went WR.. absolutely not... The Giants place a very high value on DE,CB,WR and OT in round one. I can see the logic in having two cost top notch cost controlled WR's for the next two season at least while Eli is in his prime.

on the offensive side of the ball I am also intrigued by Ezekiel Elliot..

I dont believe its defense or bust in the first round. I believe the Giants should get the best player they possibly can in round one.

slightly more. I thought it was pretty telling how much TCU's offense suffered without him. He's got all the tools, doesn't seem to lack consistency, great hands, great route runner...

Coleman's physical traits are there, there is no disputing that, but I thought Docston was a more reliable target, with similar big play ability.

had the same opinion about Bryce Petty, Baylors QB last year. Thought he was the best QB in the draft. Makes me think he's blinded by an offense that in general produces highly productive players in a conference where defense is generally lacking.

I won't go as far as to say he's a bust. But I wasn't high on him coming out of the draft. As a WVU fan I watch a lot of Big 12 football and he was a system QB who melted if you put pressure on him.

The lack of success from Baylor offensive players is alarming and I think you'd be foolish to not red flag their skill players as a result of that.

If Coleman can wow you at the combine and during workouts maybe you look past the red flag and the lack of NFL production from his fellow Alumni.

love his ability to play all over the field. Reminds me of Cruz

Or RG3 or any other player have nothing to do with Coleman and where a team should value this player. None.

You watch him play you see a skill very few have and it's not difficult to project it into the NFL and see how it can work on a high level.

It's not about a system or any gaudy numbers.

Who are all of these highly rated Baylor WR who busted? That's a joke.

Go talk to your coach at WV about Coleman. He put up 10-200-3Tds on you . And those plays he was making were t about the system. WV had nobody who can stay within yards of the guy which is why the WV coach said he was the "best player in college football".

absolutely! Holgerson basically said the same thing about Treyvone Boykin. He's complimentary of good players.

Kendall Wright and RG3 just come to mind as highly drafted skill players from there that have ranged from average to nothing. I felt like there were more so you got me there.

In 2015 there were no Baylor draft picks until round 4, and only 2 over all.

In 2014, there were no Baylor draft picks until round 5.

In 2013, Terrance Williams was the only one in round 3. He's been inconsistent, but for a 3rd round draft pick I'd say he's been more of a hit than a miss.

In 2012, Griffin was an obvious bust but Kendall Wright's biggest issue has been injuries and not talent.

Outside of that, they haven't had a QB, RB or WR drafted within the first 3 rounds since QB Cody Carlson in 1987 and WR Bruce Davis in 1984.


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played at Baylor. Drafted round 2. Great player in NFL when he was on the field. He, like Wright and Williams, also has nothing to do with Coleman

He looked like the goods for one season, and the Redskins ran him and his knees right into the ground.

I thought the league was going to catch up to him regardless, but the injury situation at least earned him an incomplete.

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in this draft, I'd think he be long gone by the time the Giants pick. I would not want to trade up costing any picks this year.

If he really is that good, JR will pick him. Yes, defense must be given almost all in FA and draft but for an exceptional player, you pick him at 10.

What is a "one-horse enamored drafter"? Are you serious?

This is one player and, as stated, certainly not the only one but a guy who "should be in the mix" for the Giants at #10.

People talking about the front 7 guys as being the strength of the draft? Thats BS. At DL, you got a few guys who lack explosion at DE and the players that do have some off the field issues. The top 2 LBs have serious knee injuries.

So where is the strength right now at #10 in round 1?

Who are the players with low floors/high ceilings? We need to hit on this pick. We need an impact player.

Coleman should be on the list.

Before he seriously injured a body part that's pretty important to any pro football player -- and particularly to a QB who played as he played -- he was performing far better than 99% of rookie QB's do.

In comment 12808357 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 12808350 Giants2012 said: Quote: Anybody see the Broncos QB's combines for 19 TD passes and 23 int's? Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl What does that have to do with the issue at hand? You guys are dancing around the issue by talking about Detroit, Carolina, and Denver. None of that changes the fact that IF a WR grades out the highest you take him Top 10..BPA. End of fucking story.

If the best player available is a WR the best you can get is a #2 receiver. Rather a #1 DT, DE etc.

Unless an offensive player is a no brainer superior talent the 1st Round pick should be on the defensive side of the ball.

especially after the combine.

we have more than $50m in cap space to play with this offseason. Let's curb the "defense or bust" talk going into the draft until we know how we addressed our needs in FA. If we walked away with Mario Williams/Oliver Vernon and addressed corner, FS, and LB we save ourselves the trouble of reaching for a player out of need when he grades out less than someone else.

with that awareness

In comment 12809869 David in LA said:

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especially after the combine.

^This

I'd be shocked if this kid lasts past 20 with a weak WR class. If he tears up the combine he could go higher.