At #10, we really need a can't miss player who can quickly impact the team. We just wasted 2 years of Beckham's great play. Eli is reaching the end. We need to hit a HR with no risk with the pick. That guy is this WR from Baylor.
Not only is this guy the best WR prospect in this class, he's also a can't miss player who will step into the NFL and have an instant impact. He will change the game for his team because his speed is the kind of stuff that tilts the field. He is a 4.3 guy but it's much more than just timed speed. This is a guy with exceptional short area quickness and moves. He can plant and get wide open on short stuff. He can run by anybody on deep routes.
There is nothing missing here. If we draft him in round 1 we can focus on defense with the FA cash.
Take a look at these clips and imagine this guy in a NYG uniform playing with Beckham:
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The only knock you may here about him is size and playing at Baylor. Ignore it. Plenty of size and strength. And the Baylor offense thing means nothing. Just watch the guy move and get open. It will work in any offense.
He's a Beckham/Brown type but better long speed then both. He's not just a slot guy. He'll be effective on the outside too.
I love this player. Want him on the Giants and playing with Beckham.
Draft Coleman and use the 2nd/3rd pick on defense. Use a lot of the FA cash on defense and find a tall WR such as Jones in CIN or Kearse in SEA.
Do this and we can turn this thing completely around in 2016.
'bet you won't!
Remember in 2011 we had a junk defense and running game, but Eli Manning and the best group of receivers we've had got it done.
Coleman is an interesting prospect. I love his wheels and elusiveness but I think Treadwell is the more complete prospect. He doesn't have the same explosion but a more physical Dez type player opposite Beckham would be lethal, IMO. I see a lot of Alshon in his game too.
Hard Pass for me we already have Beckham no need for another Diva.
This idea of drafting all defense that has been parroted by many around here is foolish. In fact, going into the draft with a plan to completely ignore the offense is downright idiotic.
Yes, we need defensive help, but WR is also a HUGE need. If BPA is a WR they will take him, and they should take him.
Forcing a defensive pick is a good way to ensure we are picking in the top ten for the foreseeable future.
Furthermore, these same posters will likely piss and moan about a reach.
Coleman has Beckham type explosion and quicks. He's going to be a big play machine in the NFL. Draft him and Eli throws 40+ TDs and we have one of the highest scoring teams in the NFL.
As KWALL mentioned, the size and playing at Baylor are both red flags for me, but the dude can ball.
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to NY and punch JR in the face if we go offense with the first pick.
Great point. We should only focus on defense. Plus, free agency was cancelled this year. And we don't even need a WR.
Lmao.
Having an overwhelming strength on offense is just as valuable as adding a pass rusher IMO. I'd like to see both in the first two rounds.
Eric, come on! Don't ever type these words again.
I like Coleman. A lot.
But if we're taking an offensive player at 10, my preferences are:
Elliott
Stanley
Treadwell (still ranked in the top 8 on CBS's big board)
Coleman
He ran everything. Quick slants. Comebacks. Outs. Deep ins. It's a spread offense that gets some matchup advantages but what routes aren't in the offense?
He can run any route and plant and get open against any type of athlete. Moving up to the NFL speed will be nothing for him. Again, it's not just about the 4.3 speed. He has exceptional quickness and explosion out of his cuts. He'll get open all day in the NFL.
He will be in the mix with some teams around #10. Giants have to consider this player.
He will wow you at the combine. Jump numbers and shuttles will be off the board too. I'd bet on him putting up better combine numbers than Beckham.
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to NY and punch JR in the face if we go offense with the first pick.
Great point. We should only focus on defense. Plus, free agency was cancelled this year. And we don't even need a WR.
What?????(again)
What did we have for receivers when OBj was suspended for one game?
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In comment 12807967 HoustonGiant said:
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to NY and punch JR in the face if we go offense with the first pick.
Great point. We should only focus on defense. Plus, free agency was cancelled this year. And we don't even need a WR.
What?????(again)
What did we have for receivers when OBj was suspended for one game?
I think Randy was being sarcastic.
He will wow you at the combine. Jump numbers and shuttles will be off the board too. I'd bet on him putting up better combine numbers than Beckham.
I agree that he should have a better all around combine than OBJ. But OBJ has great hands and runs great routes. There have been a lot of great athletes that didn't make it in the nfl at wideout. I think Coleman will have a good career, but wr is as much a skill position as it is an athletic position. I wouldn't take Coleman in the first round or ahead of Will Fuller, who I think is the better all around receiver.
Pass on Coleman.
You don't need to be 6'3 and 225 anymore to be an elite receiver in the league. I would like this pick, even at 10 if we thought he was worth it.
Giants like good route runners. Combine will be huge with this guy. Sounds like NFL scouts get concerned with Baylor players due the scheme they come out of.
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I do think NYG needs another presence at WR. I was all for going after Amari Cooper last year if he was going to be there. And I think the need for a WR is even more now...with Cruz being a severe question mark.
I do think NYG needs another presence at WR. I was all for going after Amari Cooper last year if he was going to be there. And I think the need for a WR is even more now...with Cruz being a severe question mark.
I agree entirely.
But might that need be better addressed in FA? The Giants have a little money, so perhaps this season all the FA acquisitions may not have to be bargain basement Rent-A-Wrecks!
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I watch a fair amount of college football but watching CFB and scouting are very different regardless of what people here tell you. You can't scout players by watching the TV feed from the couch.
Amen. As it stands, this offense is completely done if Beckham goes down. I don't care if it's a WR, TE or a RB but they need to add another playmaker of some sort to the offense.
Giants just need to go BPA/value all throughout FA and the draft.
It's a damn shame they cancelled free agency this year.
That does not mean Reese should reach for a player at 10. Nice player with a 2nd round pick.
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Same size as Coleman. What makes Coleman and different then Wright?
But here is one difference. Movement!
Wright? He ran a 4.6. This kid is a 4.3 mover with sick explosion. Have you seen him cut and jump? No comparison to Wright. Coleman is on a different level.
No where in my post did I mention the 20 TDs he had this season. Production was great but it is for a lot of college WRs who make plays in college but can't do the same with better athletes in the NFL. You see it every year.
With Coleman it's great production in a variety of ways but it's more about his ball skills and movement. It's rare. You can see the kid get off the LOS and run a slant, in, or comeback and see how it will easily work in the NFL.
He's a can't miss player with Beckham/Brown/Steve Smith type upside.
Beckham: 4.43 in the 40. Vertical: 38.5" Short Shuttle: 3.94 3 cone: 6.69
Beckham's workout was exceptional especially the shuttles. Coleman will beat him in the 40 and vertical. Shuttles will be similar.
He'll be in that top 10 mix. More and more will compare him to Beckham or a "more explosive Antonio Brown". That kind of NFL Comp will get you drafted very high.
Same size as Coleman. What makes Coleman and different then Wright?
You could argue he had a better QB throwing to him (regardless of what you think of RG3)
jk, appreciate the thought and the passion and he looks like the real deal, but we need so much on the other side of the ball--if only we had a shrewd GM who could get us someone in the 3rd to pair with OBJ to light it up
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So, this means we should shoehorn in defensive players just for the sake of drafting defense?
Some of you guys sure do ride the wave.
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leading the Broncos and Panthers to the Super Bowl?
So, this means we should shoehorn in defensive players just for the sake of drafting defense?
Some of you guys sure do ride the wave.
Definitely not. But an offensive player should have a higher grade than any defensive player at a position of need. If I thought Coleman was as good as Beckham, I'd take him over most players that might be available at 10 (excepting Myles Jack). But Coleman doesn't have Beckham's hands and isn't an accomplished route runner as Beckham is.
They need about 7 new definitive starters and we should grab a WR? Yeah. Not unless you think he's better than OBJ. They don't have one differences makes on the defensive side of the ball. If there's on there they better pick him or this team will be picking in the top 15 for the 3rd year in a row
If they picked Calvin Johnson and 2 other studs it would have been fine. The problem was one of the WRs sucked and the other was a lunatic.
The other point about finding them later isn't much better. I can come up with several studs at any position to refute the "You can get ____ (enter any position) in the later rounds" routine. RBs, TEs, OL, Pass rushers, corners, whatever, you can find gems in later rounds. The problem is it rarely happens.
With the #10 pick you want to get an impact player. Position doesn't matter outside of QB. And WR certainly shouldn't be with this team because we only have one. And it sure isn't a problem if you have 2 great WRs playing together.
Will the BPA be a WR? Maybe not, but declaring a WR impossible is both arrogant and stupid.
The Giants have 5 other draft picks, and lots of cash. They don't "need" to draft defense at 10.
We need at least one quality starting WR.
If Jeffries isn't available, there are a few potential guys in FA that can fill a #2 role. But you may not get a very good return on them.
It's a position of need just as much as any other.
You want to reach for an undersized LB? We can get them later right?
You want a DE like Lawson with limited potential? We can get that later too.
Should the Lions have adjusted their draft value on Calvin Johnson on anything these 2 clowns did? Of course not. Another player (or two) failing at the same position means nothing to the value you place on a current player.
Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl
Bosa will be gone.
Can Buckner play 4-3? He doesn't seem like the edge guy the Giants would expect at 10.
Will Lawson and Ogbah grade out that high? Doesn't seem like it.
Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl
What does that have to do with the issue at hand? You guys are dancing around the issue by talking about Detroit, Carolina, and Denver.
None of that changes the fact that IF a WR grades out the highest you take him
Top 10..BPA. End of fucking story.
You have a DT or 2 in there?
RB from Ohio State would certainly help.
Maybe the S/CB from Florida State (IF he's there at 10)
Coleman is certainly not the only option but he has to be on the short list.
After he tears up the combine and everybody starts raving about his Beckham/Brown type skills it will make more sense.
Let's see him blow up the combine.
There are can't miss players taken every draft. It's just that they're seldom identified as such, or are incorrectly labelled as such.
Larry Fitzgerald was named as a can't miss player and everyone who did so was right. But so was Robert Gallery in the same draft, and everyone was wrong.
The keys to the draft and FA is not the 1st pick or big money FA's it's every player we draft and every FA we sign becoming a valued part of this team future. I want to see a team full of new faces the old ones have shown us they don't belong so lets move on from them.
Hard Pass for me we already have Beckham no need for another Diva.
Based on what? I've seen a few Baylor games and have no clue where you're getting this from. How do you diagnose someone being a potential diva? TO wasn't TO in Tennessee Chatanooga. It's a dumb reason to rule someone off your board. Dynamic playmaker, but you think he projects to a diva so no? GTFOH.
If they picked Calvin Johnson and 2 other studs it would have been fine. The problem was one of the WRs sucked and the other was a lunatic.
The other point about finding them later isn't much better. I can come up with several studs at any position to refute the "You can get ____ (enter any position) in the later rounds" routine. RBs, TEs, OL, Pass rushers, corners, whatever, you can find gems in later rounds. The problem is it rarely happens.
With the #10 pick you want to get an impact player. Position doesn't matter outside of QB. And WR certainly shouldn't be with this team because we only have one. And it sure isn't a problem if you have 2 great WRs playing together.
Kev my point is that if two players are rated the same you go defense. Especially since he whole unit blows. You may be totally right about this kid. But if Myles Jack is there(just using him as an example) and he can be an all pro stud and is rated just as highly you grab him over the WR. Sure they need a #2. But if say reason Bruckner or Bosa are there I want one of them. They are playing w too many guys on D who should be out of work. I agree. They desperately need a guy who can play from day one. But any offensive player has to be a hands down stud to ignore the D. Maybe you. Are right but even if this kid is all your say I just don't see the team ever getting the full benefit she they couldn't stop anyone last year.
Although they have largely gone BPA there is some validity to the assumption they might lean a bit more towards need than in the past, though its more likely they won't.
Every year is a little different and it depends on what the roster looks like on draft day and who is there when they pick. Nothing is ever set in stone.
That said, looking at the roster right now - I'd much rather them go after a defensive playmaker than an offensive one. Even if its Myles Jack. He might be undersized but so is Coleman so if we're talking about size I don't think it matters.
The offense kept up with pretty much everyone last year, including the Patriots and Panthers. Sure, we're one injury away from being barren at WR. The same can be said for the DL, LB, and CB's - and they're already in worse shape to begin with. The cupboard is bare everywhere. There is more than one round. I would like to see that top 10 talent fall in to the defense. Its long overdue. We can get a WR in round 2 or 3 or better yet, sign one as a FA and not worry as much about it.
The Giants proved last season that having an explosive offense still means a big fat embarrassing loss when their defense is absolutely awful.
Who knows what the Giants will do though. The only thing I know is that the Giants are money in the 1st round so whoever they draft will be a good player. I hope its a defensive player. Really, any position will do. They broke away from the trend when they drafted David Wilson. They might even do it again with a LB, though its doubtful.
I know the obvious comeback is that we haven't, and that's true, but that doesn't change the point. We need a real playmaker at this pick, whether it's offensive or defensive. That's why Coleman makes a lot of sense. Dude makes things happen.
I know the obvious comeback is that we haven't, and that's true, but that doesn't change the point. We need a real playmaker at this pick, whether it's offensive or defensive. That's why Coleman makes a lot of sense. Dude makes things happen.
I'm not really against picking Coleman. But if they do, they had better splurge in FA to fix the defense. Like I mentioned before, the offense already kept up with the best teams last season and the team still lost because the defense was so dreadful. That was the biggest issue last season and thats not something a WR can fix.
The Giants don't draft LB's that high. The value just hasn't ever been there. But there are always exceptions. Its likely he won't be the pick because of the Giants draft philosophy but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the discussion.
Kev my point is that if two players are rated the same you go defense. Especially since he whole unit blows.
this ^^^ and not only this, butI think the defensive talent available in Round 1 and 2 may over shadow the Offensive talent that is available.
KWALL loves to fall in love with a "hidden gem" he has pegged and is a one-horse enamored drafter, and I love his passion, but the Giants need to do some serious investing in the defense this year and they have to come out of this draft with some impact defensive players. Thankfully, there is reason to believe that the defensive talent in the draft this year appears to outweigh the offensive talent - and there will be plenty of solid top ten defensive choices where the Giants pick in both the first and second rounds. In no way will the Giants be "settling" for a defensive player over the talent that is available.
Whatever points can be made for picking a WR or OLineman or RB int the first round -- just do not stand up to the strength of this year's draft talents, and the appalling lack/and/or/failure of draft investment on defense in the past five years.
on the offensive side of the ball I am also intrigued by Ezekiel Elliot..
I dont believe its defense or bust in the first round. I believe the Giants should get the best player they possibly can in round one.
Coleman's physical traits are there, there is no disputing that, but I thought Docston was a more reliable target, with similar big play ability.
I won't go as far as to say he's a bust. But I wasn't high on him coming out of the draft. As a WVU fan I watch a lot of Big 12 football and he was a system QB who melted if you put pressure on him.
The lack of success from Baylor offensive players is alarming and I think you'd be foolish to not red flag their skill players as a result of that.
If Coleman can wow you at the combine and during workouts maybe you look past the red flag and the lack of NFL production from his fellow Alumni.
You watch him play you see a skill very few have and it's not difficult to project it into the NFL and see how it can work on a high level.
It's not about a system or any gaudy numbers.
Go talk to your coach at WV about Coleman. He put up 10-200-3Tds on you . And those plays he was making were t about the system. WV had nobody who can stay within yards of the guy which is why the WV coach said he was the "best player in college football".
Kendall Wright and RG3 just come to mind as highly drafted skill players from there that have ranged from average to nothing. I felt like there were more so you got me there.
In 2014, there were no Baylor draft picks until round 5.
In 2013, Terrance Williams was the only one in round 3. He's been inconsistent, but for a 3rd round draft pick I'd say he's been more of a hit than a miss.
In 2012, Griffin was an obvious bust but Kendall Wright's biggest issue has been injuries and not talent.
Outside of that, they haven't had a QB, RB or WR drafted within the first 3 rounds since QB Cody Carlson in 1987 and WR Bruce Davis in 1984.
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I thought the league was going to catch up to him regardless, but the injury situation at least earned him an incomplete.
If he really is that good, JR will pick him. Yes, defense must be given almost all in FA and draft but for an exceptional player, you pick him at 10.
This is one player and, as stated, certainly not the only one but a guy who "should be in the mix" for the Giants at #10.
People talking about the front 7 guys as being the strength of the draft? Thats BS. At DL, you got a few guys who lack explosion at DE and the players that do have some off the field issues. The top 2 LBs have serious knee injuries.
So where is the strength right now at #10 in round 1?
Who are the players with low floors/high ceilings? We need to hit on this pick. We need an impact player.
Coleman should be on the list.
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Anybody see the Broncos QB's combines for 19 TD passes and 23 int's?
Last i checked, they played on the Super Bowl
What does that have to do with the issue at hand? You guys are dancing around the issue by talking about Detroit, Carolina, and Denver.
None of that changes the fact that IF a WR grades out the highest you take him
Top 10..BPA. End of fucking story.
If the best player available is a WR the best you can get is a #2 receiver. Rather a #1 DT, DE etc.
^This
I'd be shocked if this kid lasts past 20 with a weak WR class. If he tears up the combine he could go higher.