A lot of speculation leading up to today as to whether or not these three would be retained (likely at renegotiated prices) or if the Giants would look elsewhere.
TBH, I thought Beason was gone, if not on his own then a cut, but I did think the Giants would try to work with the other two to try to retain them as depth.
Looks like the Giants had other plans. Is this:
- a sign of a different approach with injured players?
- the Giants patience with these three running out?
- the luxury of cap space relative to prior years allowing them to cut bait with injured players as opposed to hope for a return due to lack of flexibility to absorb dead money?
Lets see who the next ax victims are:Ayers? JPP? VC(though?)?
If either of the later 2: yes.
I was wondering about this as well - guys who might have been tied to the prior coaching staff (if not TC directly then the position coaches) being let go.
Cruz is next.
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showing just how much control Coughlin had over who stays and who goes. I'm not so sure Beatty or Schwartz would have been cut otherwise.
I was wondering about this as well - guys who might have been tied to the prior coaching staff (if not TC directly then the position coaches) being let go.
Same here. Seems pretty drastic compared to the way the Giants have operated in recent memory.
I think this
This is also a definite possibility, if not a factor. I've been pining that the Giants have to take multiple angles at the injury problem, one of them has to be cutting bait with older, oft-injured players.
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showing just how much control Coughlin had over who stays and who goes. I'm not so sure Beatty or Schwartz would have been cut otherwise.
I was wondering about this as well - guys who might have been tied to the prior coaching staff (if not TC directly then the position coaches) being let go.
I don't follow - weren't these all Reese picks (as a draft pick and as free agent signings)? Maybe Beatty, but don't know why TC would be married to Schwartz or Beason at all?
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showing just how much control Coughlin had over who stays and who goes. I'm not so sure Beatty or Schwartz would have been cut otherwise.
I was wondering about this as well - guys who might have been tied to the prior coaching staff (if not TC directly then the position coaches) being let go.
I don't follow - weren't these all Reese picks (as a draft pick and as free agent signings)? Maybe Beatty, but don't know why TC would be married to Schwartz or Beason at all?
All three were acquired by Reese one way or the other - the question is, was this the first time anyone has considered cutting them, or was there resistance in the past?
Another possibility is that it could have been Reese keeping them around, and the move to McAdoo means that BM doesn't want them around anymore. We have no way of knowing whether this change was just brought about by a new season and another injury plagued campaign, by the regime change, or the cap situation.
I don't follow - weren't these all Reese picks (as a draft pick and as free agent signings)? Maybe Beatty, but don't know why TC would be married to Schwartz or Beason at all?
Exactly. TC didn't have a choice with these guys and supposedly complained about street free agents being their backups.
Beatty... Beason... Schwartz.
In '07, the new GM was cutting bait. Now the new head coach is off to a similar start.
jcn56: Their contracts must have been a huge factor in the timing. All three players hit their "cut year" in 2016. It made sense last year to throw a bit more good money after the heap of bad money. Not now.
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I don't follow - weren't these all Reese picks (as a draft pick and as free agent signings)? Maybe Beatty, but don't know why TC would be married to Schwartz or Beason at all?
Exactly. TC didn't have a choice with these guys and supposedly complained about street free agents being their backups.
You know that TC didn't have a choice - how, exactly?
Beatty... Beason... Schwartz.
In '07, the new GM was cutting bait. Now the new head coach is off to a similar start.
jcn56: Their contracts must have been a huge factor in the timing. All three players hit their "cut year" in 2016. It made sense last year to throw a bit more good money after the heap of bad money. Not now.
Thanks B3 - I figured the contract structure must have played a part, but I think our cap situation last year (abysmal) didn't help. Not only was there the dead money to be accounted for, but signing guys to replace the wounded wasn't going to be easy.
Beatty... Beason... Schwartz.
In '07, the new GM was cutting bait. Now the new head coach is off to a similar start.
jcn56: Their contracts must have been a huge factor in the timing. All three players hit their "cut year" in 2016. It made sense last year to throw a bit more good money after the heap of bad money. Not now.
I really don't see any possible downside to these cuts right now. These three players have dragged the team down for the past two years with sizable cap implications.
Look at the roster, who was he going to cut them in favor of? These are guys that were signed/resigned to be starters. We just barely fielded a starting 5 in 2015.
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You know that TC didn't have a choice - how, exactly?
Look at the roster, who was he going to cut them in favor of? These are guys that were signed/resigned to be starters. We just barely fielded a starting 5 in 2015.
In favor of FA acquisitions or draftees - the same way we cut these guys. It's not as if there are 3 people sitting on the roster to replace them right now, either.
Coughlin may have protected some players: O'Hara, Diehl, Snee, Herzlich and Kiwanuka come to mind. I doubt he would have gone to bat very aggressively for this group.
Even this is overstated around here imo. AS bad as Diehl sucked towards the end and Snee rendered ineffective, we had no one to replace them. People wanted Brewer and Mosley to replace them and in the end they were proven through and through to be absolute dog shit.
How much of the "favortism" was simply: "I have two guys that stink about the same, might as well go with the vet who will put his body on the line"?
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Coughlin may have protected some players: O'Hara, Diehl, Snee, Herzlich and Kiwanuka come to mind. I doubt he would have gone to bat very aggressively for this group.
Even this is overstated around here imo. AS bad as Diehl sucked towards the end and Snee rendered ineffective, we had no one to replace them. People wanted Brewer and Mosley to replace them and in the end they were proven through and through to be absolute dog shit.
How much of the "favortism" was simply: "I have two guys that stink about the same, might as well go with the vet who will put his body on the line"?
Or "you don't lose your job to injury", like when we had Sean Locklear playing pretty well and he got sent to the bench for a well forked David Diehl returning from injury?
Beason has been injured throughout his career. The reason the Giants got him for a song from the Panthers was because he was hurt and lost his job to 2 top LBs. He played well when he was on the field, but a speed LB who keeps having problems with his feet and knee as he gets older makes him a cap casualty.
Schwartz is a big framed guard who has had issues with his legs the past couple of seasons. A toe injury, followed up with an ankle and then a broken leg. It's dangerous when you get a big body like that having leg issues, supporting that big frame. At the money owed, it's time to move on.
Beatty lost his job to Flowers. Simple as that. The injuries of course didn't help, but Flowers is the starting LT here for the next 10 years if everything works out. Beatty is not a guard nor is a right tackle.
Exactly, and not just the HC. Reese has indicated that it's almost a 'committee' decision, but the buck stops with him. I wonder how easy it would be if Chris Mara and the HC want a particular player and he and Ross would want another, for Reese to press the matter.
True, and then he put Locklear back into the starting lineup and he shattered his leg.
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showing just how much control Coughlin had over who stays and who goes. I'm not so sure Beatty or Schwartz would have been cut otherwise.
I was wondering about this as well - guys who might have been tied to the prior coaching staff (if not TC directly then the position coaches) being let go.
Only player you could say has tie to TC was Beatty. The other 2 were brought in by Reese and hardly played in their short stint with the team. How could any professorial relationship have developed. Think it's more Reese realizing this isn't working out
Also, think another poster made good point about having sufficient cap space to absorb dead money.