Salary Cap Impact of Three Cuts

In comment 12809334 Bill L said:

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Only those that have been cut or are without contracts. Free Agency doesn't officially begin until next month.

Remember the Eagles thought they bought the 'dream team' a few years ago. They had a lot of money to spend and they went out and got high salary guys. It was a disaster that cost Reid his job... that mess is still being cleaned-up.

The Giants should be very careful to get players that fit the roles the coaches set. It seems like the Eagles spent a lot of very good players who couldn't fit into the Eagles schemes.

Gave Pierre Paul a contract now with all this money? No excuse we need him bad next season we have nobody else rushing the passer next year.

I'm not sure I'd take on any of the Denver free agents. How many times do we see Super Bowl free agents get overpaid and flame out?

I'd look instead at Michael Griffin types. Reasonably priced and, most importantly, hungry.

In comment 12809358 BamaBlue said:

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Remember the Eagles thought they bought the 'dream team' a few years ago. They had a lot of money to spend and they went out and got high salary guys. It was a disaster that cost Reid his job... that mess is still being cleaned-up. The Giants should be very careful to get players that fit the roles the coaches set. It seems like the Eagles spent a lot of very good players who couldn't fit into the Eagles schemes.

It's also how the Redskins got in trouble. They were always trying to patch up all their holes in Free Agency.

In comment 12809358 BamaBlue said:

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Remember the Eagles thought they bought the 'dream team' a few years ago. They had a lot of money to spend and they went out and got high salary guys. It was a disaster that cost Reid his job... that mess is still being cleaned-up. The Giants should be very careful to get players that fit the roles the coaches set. It seems like the Eagles spent a lot of very good players who couldn't fit into the Eagles schemes.

I see another 2005 type spree on the horizon.

In comment 12809368 Go Terps said:

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I'm not sure I'd take on any of the Denver free agents. How many times do we see Super Bowl free agents get overpaid and flame out? I'd look instead at Michael Griffin types. Reasonably priced and, most importantly, hungry.

Terps, the Giants are freeing that money up for something. The whole reason why McAdoo was kept around was to limit the transitions around Eli to get the best out of the remaining 4-5 years of his career. The Giants have a lot of holes to fill, so they need all the money they can get. But my assumption is that we are going to see them go after some defensive lineman in free agency and those guys don't come cheap.

development so we are not vulnerable to used tire FAs that are no durable.

all good moves, time for a team makeover...

i see at least 4 cornerstone players added in free agency:

An impact Defensive Lineman...

...a big WR to take pressure off ODB...

...a pass blocking OT...

...and a FS to correct the McCourty whiff.

I think we take care of those first, and then start filling in where we can.

for not using $$$$ on UFA's. that is how thoroughly Reese has botched and mismanaged this roster. There is nobody coming up the pipeline. Cupboards are bare. We're almost an expansion team - particularly on D.

In comment 12809271 BeerFridge said:

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So, my excitement is a bit tempered.

Roster holes??

The Giants just got rid of 3 unreliable over 30 year old players...who would have been roster holes as soon as training camp starts...good riddance...the Giants are better off saving those spots for young, hungry, talented players like 21 year old Bobby Hart...who will give the Giants a better chance of playing a full season for far less money...

I think these moves are a no brainer...

area junc said:

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i see at least 4 cornerstone players added in free agency: An impact Defensive Lineman... ...a big WR to take pressure off ODB... ...a pass blocking OT... ...and a FS to correct the McCourty whiff.

That's an odd characterization from somebody who reacted this way to the prospect of the Giants paying up for McCourty a year ago:

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area junc : 3/8/2015 9:49 am : link put the $$$ into the D-Line. Dont buy a bunch of DBs when your line stinks Would much rather beef up the D-Line than throw a bunch of $$$ at McCourty or Rahim Moore when u have a great front 7 it makes it much easier to play S

If only the 2015 Giants had added Jerry Hughes (and his five sacks)... - ( New Window )

Yes - whiffed. The Giants offered him a huge contract and didn't land him.

My point is - I expect Reese to take another swing.

but ok.

I expect at least 4 very good players in fa. Gipson or weddle are a must at s.Jenkins would fit in nicely at cb. Jackson at dt/de and trevathan at lb. Now there a need at ot so maybe Mitchell Schwartz. They also need a rb and a recieving and blocking te time to bring this team back to prominence.

players playing in their contract year.

Exhibit 1. Von Miller - after he gets his money, does his play improve, stay the same, or decrease? The money says his play will decrease. What's the X factor on a new team if somebody outbids Denver? (not that this would happen)

I honestly hope the Giants eyes don't get big when looking at some of these FA's. I don't think they'll overbuy, it's never been the Giants way. I prefer stockpiling up on the "above average" FA's

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We have money, that is great. Lets sign our OWN first and foremost. Assuming the price is right Prince and JPP come to mind. The idea is both will stay healthy and play hard but that is a big if.

I'd hate for us to sign two or three mega deals and for these guys to come in and play "average" now that they have the really big money tucked away. Sorry, but look at SUH this year for Detroit - his worst year as a pro.

In comment 12809489 Dave in Hoboken said:

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So Reese isn't correcting his mistakes here?

is asking a lot. I'd love nothing more but In 05 they landed 3 very good players and that was a dream off-season. It's one thing to have the money and desire but the player has to be available and willing to come here. I'd take 2-3 gems in FA these next few months and not think twice. Not gonna be greedy. If they can't sign the additional player don't go and throw good money after bad. Just get to the draft with less holes to fill and let things shake out.

this year. Even though Weddle is getting up there in age, I think he has another couple solid years in him, plus I think the vet presence would be much needed back there to help Collins develop and give him the freedom to do his thing.

I'd like to see a solid FA WR signing if one shakes loose. As well as an obvious OL and DL FA signing. I would rather open the bank and pay Jenkins at CB than Prince, He's a better corner, and usually plays full seasons. Then address depth in the draft. I hope they resign Ayers and JPP, add a solid DT and look to build on the depth in the draft as well.

This team could use some TE help, and a solid RB, but with vereen and jennings both under contract I don't see them shopping again for one in FA, but rather the draft. Would love to see them take Elliot if the D talent doesn't fit or is gone by 10.

In comment 12809511 David in LA said:

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In comment 12809489 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: . So Reese isn't correcting his mistakes here?

So, you're finally admitting he is responsible for these mistakes?

Injury prone and really not that good. Jenkins would be a better option. Jpp should be resigned. He is still disruptive and Ayers went crazy on sacks after he came back. I'd resign him to. Weddle should be brought in on a 3 year deal.Jenkins and Jackson on 5 year deals.in the draft look for lb rb and te along with more defense.

I think they need to see how the surgery turns out. Osi talked of the speed being there but the key will be if he can actually tackle effectively. The first move for the defense to improve has to be a bonafide pass rusher with all around ability, so to lock JPP up may be a secondary option.

and not completely break the bank on him. He's got his warts but the guy can still play at a plus level and cautiously expecting JPP's hand and technique to improve after therapy and time isn't really asking too much. We know what JPP is here...i'd keep him if the deal is even close to fair. Ayers is fine as long as he's a 2nd or 3rd fiddle guy and if you have JPP, Hankins FA DT (Jackson?) and Ayers with young guys like Odi, Wynn and a draft pick pushing? I can live with that DL next season. Add a FS and MLB and I'd be thrilled assuming they addressed the Prince situation adequately.

DL: Kendall Reyes, Akiem Hicks, Oliver Vernon
CB: Janoris Jenkins, Jerraud Powers
LB Danny Trevathan
S: Tashaun Gipson
OL: Donald Stephenson, Amini Silatolu
WR: Mohammad Sanu, Brian Quick

the love for Eric Weddle?

Since when is signing older vet the way to go?

In comment 12809510 SGMen said:

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We have money, that is great. Lets sign our OWN first and foremost. Assuming the price is right Prince and JPP come to mind. The idea is both will stay healthy and play hard but that is a big if. I'd hate for us to sign two or three mega deals and for these guys to come in and play "average" now that they have the really big money tucked away. Sorry, but look at SUH this year for Detroit - his worst year as a pro.

Good post.....I am wondering how much of that avail money is actually going to go to "brand new" players........we have seen a host of teams try to stock their team thru FA and it backfires.

My question: how can this avail money be used to extend current players? Just for example, a player like Hankins. Before he hits free agency, we re-work the deal to keep him in blue for five years instead of just two more.

DE Olivier Vernon

MLB Danny Trevathan

FS Tashaun Gipson

WR Marvin Jones Jr.

TE Dwayne Allen

RG Alex Boone



Among others, of course

In comment 12809273 Eric from BBI said:

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not sure why they would defer to post-June 1st. They have plenty of cap space now.

Do they have to decide right now? If so, wouldn't the smart play to always defer cuts to post-6/1? That way, if you decide you wish you hadn't deferred it, you can just leave $2.5MM (in this case) of cap dollars unspent and let them roll over to next year. Essentially, you could decide later whether or not to defer it while giving yourself maximum flexibility in the current year in case you need the space.

Especially on the defensive side. I'd be surprised if we didn't come away with an upgrade at S and CB.

Traditionally, Reese tries to patch as many holes as possible in FA so he has more flexibility in the draft. I would guess that we're going to see a defense focused FA, coming away with upgrades at S/CB, possibly DE, and a lower tiered addition at MLB.

In comment 12809658 Anakim said:

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DE Olivier Vernon MLB Danny Trevathan FS Tashaun Gipson WR Marvin Jones Jr. TE Dwayne Allen RG Alex Boone Among others, of course

Re: Trevathan - during the super bowl they showed all LBs on the Broncos fastest straight line speed in 2015 (guess it was from recorded in televised games) and Trevathan was the fastest of their LBs...

were a waste.

My guess, three years from competing for a Championship and that is if McAdoo and Reese get lucky.

McAdoo signed for four years, will need to show real progress in next two years or he will be out.

Manning and Beckham still the only sure thing, if neither gets hurt --- the rest are just supporting cast ( and not very good and keeps changing ).

above got messed up

And wind up nobody to spend it on lol

In comment 12809680 section125 said:

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In comment 12809658 Anakim said: Quote: DE Olivier Vernon MLB Danny Trevathan FS Tashaun Gipson WR Marvin Jones Jr. TE Dwayne Allen RG Alex Boone Among others, of course Re: Trevathan - during the super bowl they showed all LBs on the Broncos fastest straight line speed in 2015 (guess it was from recorded in televised games) and Trevathan was the fastest of their LBs...

Trevathan's knee scares me. Would he wind up another Beason?

In comment 12809426 geelabee said:
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So, my excitement is a bit tempered.
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Roster holes??

The Giants just got rid of 3 unreliable over 30 year old players...who would have been roster holes as soon as training camp starts...good riddance...the Giants are better off saving those spots for young, hungry, talented players like 21 year old Bobby Hart...who will give the Giants a better chance of playing a full season for far less money...

I think these moves are a no brainer...
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Thanks goodness and nevermind the dead money.

In comment 12809734 micky said:

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And wind up nobody to spend it on lol

Sometimes that's not the worst thing. We've seen teams outbid for talent and never get the ROI.

In comment 12809428 Big Blue Blogger said:

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area junc said: Quote: i see at least 4 cornerstone players added in free agency: An impact Defensive Lineman... ...a big WR to take pressure off ODB... ...a pass blocking OT... ...and a FS to correct the McCourty whiff. That's an odd characterization from somebody who reacted this way to the prospect of the Giants paying up for McCourty a year ago: Quote: area junc : 3/8/2015 9:49 am : link put the $$$ into the D-Line. Dont buy a bunch of DBs when your line stinks Would much rather beef up the D-Line than throw a bunch of $$$ at McCourty or Rahim Moore when u have a great front 7 it makes it much easier to play S If only the 2015 Giants had added Jerry Hughes (and his five sacks)... - ( New Window )

You are so busted!!

...sealed his fate. The FO wasn't happy about it at all. The old adage about pain vs injury applies in this case.

...with the shoulder injury. There are things you can play with and it's clear the organization felt he should have given it a go.

In comment 12809747 OC2.0 said:

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In comment 12809426 geelabee said: [quote] In comment 12809271 BeerFridge said: Quote: So, my excitement is a bit tempered. This^ Roster holes?? The Giants just got rid of 3 unreliable over 30 year old players...who would have been roster holes as soon as training camp starts...good riddance...the Giants are better off saving those spots for young, hungry, talented players like 21 year old Bobby Hart...who will give the Giants a better chance of playing a full season for far less money... I think these moves are a no brainer... [/quote in

I don't mean to suggest it was a bad idea to cut these guys. I just mean that the reactions of "woo hoo!" are probably not really considering the cost of filling these three spots in FA. If that's how the Giants go to fill the spots, the 12 M freed up will probably not be sufficient unless we are shopping on the discount rack. The dead money is sunk costs, as was mentioned, and I'm good with the cuts, but the Giants didn't generate some financial windfall today. It is a real acknowledgement by Mgmt that we needed to move on.

Get rid of guys who are always injured and have big cap numbers. Stop restructuring them and carrying them forward, hoping to beat Father Time.

Newhouse is likely as good as a 31 year old Beatty, coming off two surgeries and playing a relatively unfamiliar position. Newhouse makes a million and they still have Jerry making about the same. Neither player is a permanent starter but they can spot start and are good backups with bargain contracts.

But it makes sense to wait because unlike the other three, Cruz actually might come back and play at high level. Plus, the longer you wait, the more leverage you have when it comes to restructuring. Cruz should make no more than 2 million with incentives that can make it higher. No guaranteed money.

Giants don't need to cut him until they need that cap space to sign someone else.

given the shear dearth of players on the roster at this point, there are going to be some holes of various sizes even after FA and the end of the 7th round.

I hope the Giants do a good job of getting the word out to agents that there are going to be some real opportunities for UDFAs to come in and win not only spots on the roster, but to potentially get some decent burn.

It could give them a leg up on attracting some of the more desirable UDFAs

Obviously if UDFA is the highlight of the offseason, we are all going to be very sad. But this crossed my mind as a potential positive even after the draft is over.

In comment 12809658 Anakim said:

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DE Olivier Vernon MLB Danny Trevathan FS Tashaun Gipson WR Marvin Jones Jr. TE Dwayne Allen RG Alex Boone Nice group Among others, of course

their problem is they look like the 62 Mets playing football on defense. They can easily add one receiver in FA or the draft to go with the weapons and system Eli has now. Odell, Harris, Tye Jennings and Veeren/Darkwa and possible Cruz back. They add a good FA OL and somebody like Sanu and no need to worry about scoring. On the other hand, They have next to nothing on defense outside of Hank, DRC, Collins if moved, and possibly Kenard if healthy. That's it. The Broncos showed what a great defense can do with even an inept offense. The Giants offense is better than Denvers and right now Eli is far superior to Peyton. It's all defense or another 6-10 season and I have fewer and fewer seasons left. Trade their 1 and next years 1 and 3 and a a couple late rounders with Cleveland for Bosa's spot. (Cleveland can still get their QB at 10 - maybe Connor Cook) Bosa is going to be a star and he brings attitude. He'll also cost less than a franchise free agent for four years so they lose two high picks but save a boatload of money on the cap and give the fans the ability to scream defense again. It's more than worth it but sadly the Giants have only made one gigantic trade like than in their history for some QB's brother and what a mistake that turned out to be... wait....

In comment 12809933 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 12809658 Anakim said: Quote: DE Olivier Vernon MLB Danny Trevathan FS Tashaun Gipson WR Marvin Jones Jr. TE Dwayne Allen RG Alex Boone Nice group Among others, of course Nice group

but they can't cut Beatty b/c of dead money
Giants2012 : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Thanks goodness and nevermind the dead money.


The dead money is there, once you sign a player to a contract....it doesn't disappear....it's there to the end of the contract.....

So cutting a player, and worrying about dead money is senseless.....whether he plays or is cut, that money is built into the cap negatively....what controls Beatty's fate, is one, his physical condition, two, whether he is willing to restructure, three, what might be available in free agency, and fourth, what is available in the draft.....

Fact is, he is 31.....coming back from not one, but two injuries.....there is no way he is getting an offer, anything near the 6.675M he is getting this year....if he shows up with physical problems in OTA's, or doesn't restructure, you have to seriously look for a replacement...

We all knew Beason was gone....

There HAS TO BE someone better than Schwartz out there, with a better medical history and talent, than this guy....

Cruz, has to restructure.....he is a complete unknown.....we ASSUME the calf has healed....we still have no idea if that knee is solid, he never played on it last season.....you have to plan as though, Cruz will not make it....if he does, it's a bonus....

JPP despite the injury to the hand, has a slight hold on the Giants, because they don't have, one single DE on this roster than can start....Wynn took a huge step back last year, and OO is looking like wishful thinking....You make an offer not to the 2011 JJP, but to the 2015 JPP, who had one sack in 8 games......