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Sly Guy : 2/10/2016 12:42 pm
I am disheartened to see some people today cheering when players are released. Cheering when someone loses their job is a terrible thing to do; it's even worse when guys like Beason, Beatty and Schwartz are released because they got injured on the job.

Saying that they make more than us isn't a valid excuse to be a douche. They may deserve to be cut but we as fans should still treat them as human beings who suited up and played for the team that we loved. Once a Giant, always a Giant.
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Eric is always...  
Chris in Philly : 2/10/2016 12:53 pm : link
saying how people from the team and the families of players read the site. And we have a bunch of cunts cheering when a guy gets released after injuring their bodies playing for our team.

I guess it's one notch better than the galactic-level BBI idiot who celebrated when George Young died...
We're all douches one way or another  
Sly Guy : 2/10/2016 12:53 pm : link
But no matter how you spin it, it's a terrible look on you when you cheer for someone losing their job (especially when they were hurt on the job).
RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
jcn56 : 2/10/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:
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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.


Look up a couple of posts and let me know if you think calling a guy who shattered his ankle a thief because he couldn't play is bad form somehow fits your definition of 'moral high ground'.
RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
Chris in Philly : 2/10/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:
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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.


This is false.
and to supplement what Greg said  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/10/2016 12:55 pm : link
if you say something stupid -- I either fire at you or ignore you
You are misinterpreting the situation...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/10/2016 12:55 pm : link
Nobody is happy from a personal standpoint.

None of Beason, Beatty and Schwartz were anything but fine men when they were Giants.

It's a happiness from the perspective of improving the team.

In a business where loyalty is rarely shown from the players to the team why should we as fans develop personal feelings towards the players? Yes some will make an impact and we learn to appreciate some for the moments but in the end our main focus is the NY on the side of the helmet.
RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
Sly Guy : 2/10/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:
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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.


There are posters cheering on the Beason, Schwartz and Beatty threads. I won't name the posters but it's pretty obvious once you check the threads out.
I hadn't seen the post  
bigbluehoya : 2/10/2016 12:56 pm : link
That is pretty shitty.

So yes, my post was factually incorrect. Mea Culpa.
RE: yep, as I said  
B in ALB : 2/10/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12809300 Greg from LI said:
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At this point, I generally just scan threads for posts by familiar handles. If I don't know you, I don't read your posts.


Even some of the long-time posters are embarrassing with their commentary on these guys getting cut. All while they seemingly have absolutely no concept of what it takes to be a professional athlete at this level. If they did understand it they wouldn't be posting stupid shit every fuckin day.
RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
GMenLTS : 2/10/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:
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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.


Wildlier inaccurate
RE: You are misinterpreting the situation...  
Chris in Philly : 2/10/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12809318 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Nobody is happy from a personal standpoint.

None of Beason, Beatty and Schwartz were anything but fine men when they were Giants.

It's a happiness from the perspective of improving the team.

In a business where loyalty is rarely shown from the players to the team why should we as fans develop personal feelings towards the players? Yes some will make an impact and we learn to appreciate some for the moments but in the end our main focus is the NY on the side of the helmet.


Are any of you guys actually reading the threads?
I haven't read any of the cut threads  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/10/2016 12:59 pm : link
the headlines were enough for me -- I didn't believe there would be any insight in any of them -- but I did read and post on jcn's thread about all three cuts
RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/10/2016 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:
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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.


You're not really getting it. I'll try and help. He's not calling out posters who are happy about the move. He's calling out posters who are happy a (now former) Giant is out of a job.
RE: RE: This is a pretty stupid thread  
bigbluehoya : 2/10/2016 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12809321 Sly Guy said:
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In comment 12809299 bigbluehoya said:


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The posters showing support of the decisions (in whatever words they choose) are simply happy that the organization made a choice that they think is the correct one.

No one is actually celebrating the fact that a human being lost his job.

The view from the moral high ground apparently isn't as clear as advertised.



There are posters cheering on the Beason, Schwartz and Beatty threads. I won't name the posters but it's pretty obvious once you check the threads out.


I made posts on both the Beatty and Schwartz threads that are supportive of the decision.

I think the vast majority of the posts on those threads are fine, even with exclamation points or shows of excitement. People don't need to act or post like they're at a funeral.

Obviously, statements like averagejoe made are inappropriate, full stop.

I'll never understand why some posters take some of the things  
jcn56 : 2/10/2016 1:02 pm : link
players do personally.

Especially injuries - injuries basically kill their livelihoods. Do you think Schwartz wouldn't rather go on to have a nice, long injury free career that lasts 10-12 seasons? Instead, there's a good chance he's done now.

Sure, he's made some good money - but he worked damn hard to get where he did, and in the end, he'll have made a fraction of what he might have earned if he could have stayed healthy. In addition, he's had to deal with painful injuries, the effects of which will likely last for a very long time, if not the rest of his life, and impair his after-football health.

So yeah, take that Schwartz, you crook!
bigbluehoya got it  
Sly Guy : 2/10/2016 1:02 pm : link
There's no need to pile on him.
RE: bigbluehoya got it  
Chris in Philly : 2/10/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12809351 Sly Guy said:
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There's no need to pile on him.


At least he won't have to worry about Cam Newton jumping on!
Players Union should push for guarenteed contracts  
Giant John : 2/10/2016 1:04 pm : link
If a player is injured then his salary no longer counts against the cap. Player and team can move on.
I often wondered if  
DonnieD89 : 2/10/2016 1:16 pm : link
these guys who get off on these players losing their jobs have actually been in a situation of loosing a job themselves whether that they were fired or got laid off. I would like to now how they felt if they did loose their job in the past. Please tell me how you felt if you did?
Mostly agree with op  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/10/2016 1:46 pm : link
However, these men were all paid well and haven't been able to consistently do the jobs they were paid to do. Schwartz and Beason moreso.

So while I don't celebrate them losing their jobs it shouldn't have come as a huge surprise to any of them. Beatty and Schwartz will likely find a paycheck next month.
RE: Players Union should push for guarenteed contracts  
bLiTz 2k : 2/10/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12809359 Giant John said:
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If a player is injured then his salary no longer counts against the cap. Player and team can move on.


Lets see how many athletes chose the NFL over any other pro league...I'd guarantee you not many.
If i cheer or applaud a move it is because I think  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 2/10/2016 2:04 pm : link
it is in the best interests of the Giants. Sadly, when it is time for Eli to go, I will be on board as much as my heart might tell me otherwise. With regards to this, though, I am not sure this is the post to profess such profound thoughts.

After all, Beatty has been nothing but injured since he was drafted. He may be a great guy but his contributions to the Giants have been minimal. Same thing for Schwarz and Beason. No doubt, in Beason's case, he is a quality person but the fortunes of the game caused these guys to be unproductive members of the Giants who were eating up too much cap space and money based on their contributions. That is just fact and therefore I applaud the moves. I also think Beatty's refusal to consider right tackle might have forced the Giants' hand.

Fact is we have to move on from players who constantly get hurt and miss tons of time. That is just reality and no offense to them or their families. That's the business of the NFL.
LMAO here we go again.....  
LeonofKiev : 2/10/2016 2:06 pm : link
Beta males coming out of the woodwork to defend their favorite millionaires. These people don't care about you, they're there to get paid, and they are not your friends.

They are unemployed but can comfortably retire at any point, these people are not the victims you pathetic homers frame them to be.

I'm sorry you sensitive babies don't like how cruel the world can be when you don't live up to expectations.
Go back to your safe space!
RE: RE: You are misinterpreting the situation...  
David in LA : 2/10/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12809329 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12809318 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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Nobody is happy from a personal standpoint.

None of Beason, Beatty and Schwartz were anything but fine men when they were Giants.

It's a happiness from the perspective of improving the team.

In a business where loyalty is rarely shown from the players to the team why should we as fans develop personal feelings towards the players? Yes some will make an impact and we learn to appreciate some for the moments but in the end our main focus is the NY on the side of the helmet.



Are any of you guys actually reading the threads?


Limerick Guy is too busy predicting whether or not Corey Coleman is a future diva, and making assumptions about how JPP is not to be trusted with money.
RE: LMAO here we go again.....  
BMac : 2/10/2016 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12809484 LeonofKiev said:
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Beta males coming out of the woodwork to defend their favorite millionaires. These people don't care about you, they're there to get paid, and they are not your friends.

They are unemployed but can comfortably retire at any point, these people are not the victims you pathetic homers frame them to be.

I'm sorry you sensitive babies don't like how cruel the world can be when you don't live up to expectations.
Go back to your safe space!


Undoubtedly the newest, biggest horse's ass on BBI. Fat, stupid, and constantly confrontational isn't the way to go here.
Bmac, he's more than likely another piece of shit troll  
David in LA : 2/10/2016 2:18 pm : link
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there are very few trolls on BBI  
GMenLTS : 2/10/2016 2:20 pm : link
RE: Bmac, he's more than likely another piece of shit troll  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/10/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12809517 David in LA said:
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Or an old familiar troll with a fresh coat of paint.
RE: RE: LMAO here we go again.....  
LeonofKiev : 2/10/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12809512 BMac said:
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In comment 12809484 LeonofKiev said:


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Beta males coming out of the woodwork to defend their favorite millionaires. These people don't care about you, they're there to get paid, and they are not your friends.

They are unemployed but can comfortably retire at any point, these people are not the victims you pathetic homers frame them to be.

I'm sorry you sensitive babies don't like how cruel the world can be when you don't live up to expectations.
Go back to your safe space!



Undoubtedly the newest, biggest horse's ass on BBI. Fat, stupid, and constantly confrontational isn't the way to go here.



Thank you for proving my point, but you would never say that to my face tough guy. Keep typing away you warrior.
Bmac...  
LeonofKiev : 2/10/2016 2:27 pm : link
starts personal attacks and ad hominems...

........cries about me being confrontational.

Another angry baby boomer who provides nothing to this planet. Why don't you go "consult" something.....or get a real job.
its not personal but its business  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/10/2016 2:30 pm : link
our team needs to make these moves to be successful. sorry but it is how it works. They make more than i do so they will be fine
The butthurt is very strong with Leon  
David in LA : 2/10/2016 2:30 pm : link
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RE: Bmac...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/10/2016 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12809534 LeonofKiev said:
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starts personal attacks and ad hominems...

........cries about me being confrontational.

Another angry baby boomer who provides nothing to this planet. Why don't you go "consult" something.....or get a real job.



Shall we start guessing your previous handles?

RE: RE: RE: You are misinterpreting the situation...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/10/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12809496 David in LA said:
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In comment 12809329 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 12809318 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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Nobody is happy from a personal standpoint.

None of Beason, Beatty and Schwartz were anything but fine men when they were Giants.

It's a happiness from the perspective of improving the team.

In a business where loyalty is rarely shown from the players to the team why should we as fans develop personal feelings towards the players? Yes some will make an impact and we learn to appreciate some for the moments but in the end our main focus is the NY on the side of the helmet.



Are any of you guys actually reading the threads?



Limerick Guy is too busy predicting whether or not Corey Coleman is a future diva, and making assumptions about how JPP is not to be trusted with money.


Love the personal attacks. Keep em coming.

1) Corey Coleman never made a play he didn't LOVE. All I said is he has a little DeSean Jackson in him and we already have a diva-esque WR in Beckham. What's not true about that?

2) Are you ready to hand JPP 10 million dollars a year? Even if he wasn't a Darwin Award nominee he hasn't proven he can effectively tackle right now.

How hard is it to admit that I was right about JPP since the end of 2015? I'd say it was about 1000-1 in people telling me I was crazy and how he was going to be this amazing all pro and that he wasn't this immature kid and he had learned discipline on and off the field.

In a 7 month period where he had to do nothing but not hurt himself to set up his grandkids grandkids for life he decided to play with explosives.

I'm sorry but I can't trust a guy like that with 1/15th of my yearly salary cap.

Flame all you want but I'm not wrong on JPP and never have been. On Graham? Who knows- he could be Antonio Brown or he could be R Jay Soward. I can't say that for sure and neither can you.
RE: The butthurt is very strong with Leon  
LeonofKiev : 2/10/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 12809544 David in LA said:
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Your social life is not too strong with the amount of time you spend on this site.........it's kind of sad. Goodbye
Sad beta males attack! LMAO  
LeonofKiev : 2/10/2016 2:39 pm : link
Thank you all for showing how pathetically thin skinned you are when someone disagrees.

Goodbye you winners!
Take it from an alpha male  
jcn56 : 2/10/2016 2:41 pm : link
If you're running around on the Internet telling everyone how tough they are and that they're betas, you're a beta.
My social life is fine, I appreciate the concern  
David in LA : 2/10/2016 2:42 pm : link
Your social life must be in shambles to create a dupe only to act like a confrontational ass.
Agree with the OP  
mfsd : 2/10/2016 2:42 pm : link
I want the Giants to find better football players than these guys too, but doesn't mean I don't appreciate the fact they wore the Giants blue. Not a fan of bashing players on the way out
It's embarrassing and shows Newton-like class  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/10/2016 2:43 pm : link
Especially when guys helped win a SB.
RE: there are very few trolls on BBI  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12809520 GMenLTS said:
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I think that's entirely possible, since it's probably the same 2 or 3 assholes running all the troll handles
I'm fine with the  
Metnut : 2/10/2016 3:02 pm : link
posts. This is an NY Giants message board. None of us know these players personally and I think it's understood that the comments/posts are relating to these guys as "players" not "people."

I had the same happy reaction as many other posters in seeing these cuts today and don't see a good reason why those posters shouldn't be able to share their happy reaction to the cuts on a Giants message board.
As much as I feel this is the correct direction  
DonnieD89 : 2/10/2016 3:06 pm : link
the Giants should be going, I by no means want to flame over this. I am not a "Hooray for me and fuck you kind of guy" who likes to celebrate at the expense of someone's loss. Yes, they were not productive and pretty much dead weight for the team, and I was wanting to let these guys go, but I understand in real life what it means to let go of people and to have been let go. It's not fun on either side. I don't think the Giants organization celebrates the firing/releasing of their employees. Do you think they are "Beta males"?
RE: It's embarrassing and shows Newton-like class  
DonnieD89 : 2/10/2016 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12809576 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Especially when guys helped win a SB.


Newton like class. That's a good one.
One thing also....  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/10/2016 3:13 pm : link
You do realize that all 3 of these guys will receive the remaining pro-rated portion of their signing bonus (except Beason who retired I believe).

Don't feel bad for Beatty and Schwartz either those guys are going to continue their NFL careers. It sucks that both aren't right for the Giants anymore but someone is going to pick up an average - above average tackle this offseason.
I don't pity them  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/10/2016 3:58 pm : link
But I'm not celebrating their firing
3 years of under performing will do this.  
giantgiantfan : 2/10/2016 4:03 pm : link
Beatty should get an appreciation thread, he anchored the left side during a SB run. The other guys? Good dudes for sure, but they were always injured, tough to root for them.
When we all discuss  
ANGPASS : 2/10/2016 4:46 pm : link
who we want to draft and who we want in FA, we are also talking about deleting some of our guys. The roster doesn't grow. it stays at 53. So when the team cuts players and creates more cap space, fans are excited because there is more room to reseign/ sign FA's and at the same time, not have to worry about injury prone players we have been dealing with. No one is happy about people losing jobs. They are only excited from the teams standpoint of making necessary moves as most fans are losing faith in this front office.
I'm proud to say  
Glover : 2/10/2016 6:07 pm : link
I did not post any joy about some injured players getting released. I actually made a comment saying I was a little surprised the Giants cut Beatty. I thought they would have to keep him despite his high price tag and the fact that would no longer be playing LT. I thought he would remain on the team. I was wrong.
unfortunately the NFL is an entertainment product  
mdc1 : 2/11/2016 9:50 am : link
with the best of the best, age forces you out and the college ranks are producing guys with such talent that as you play in the NFL a few years you are heading down the has been path. Look at Cruz, enter ODell, Cruz is a has been. If you want job security find another line of work, and be thankful that you had a shot in the league and made great money. Most of these guys are still immature young adults at age 30, they have their whole f'ing life in front of them, so let's spare the tears and concern. There are folks living to survive out there so stop it.
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