an impact player anywhere we can get one, but I don't think the needs are that bad.
RG/RT will be solved in FA. DT and CB need contributors (Hankins and DRC are already impact players there). Solid contributions for a WR not named Beckham, a CB to replace Prince and another one for the slot (1 FA, 1 draft) will go a long way to helping the team.
IMO, we're looking for the best combination of DE/FS/LB out of the first three rounds in the draft and a bunch of our FA money.
last season.....they showed potential, but they played below the level we needed....
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
Myself included, don't expect this big jump a lot of posters here do. This thing isn't getting fixed to the point where playoffs are a legit possibility until 2017 at the earliest. I'll be happy if we go 8-8 this year.
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
Go back over the last 10 years of the Giants draft and see that we only get about 2 quality starters per year. Once in a while (too seldom) one is a pro-bowl quality player, the other may be a decent starter that we look to upgrade (e.g. Amukumara) and maybe we get one or two who contribute a little bit (like a Kuhn or Andre Wilson).
People like to say that you build through the draft but at the rate we've been going in would take 15 years to upgrade the entire team. And players don't last that long. We not only need to do a better job drafting but we've got to do a much better job in Free Agency.
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
We should have been 8-8 this year, barring some last minute collapses. That was without a slew of players who ended up on IR.
We're closing up the infirmary, and getting new players. Guys who were rookies and showed some promise last year will have a year under their belts. FA and the draft will bring in new faces.
This is the parity era NFL - there's absolutely no reason this team, with a franchise QB, can't get back to the playoffs next season.
its also health. If we ever luck out on that end, or at the very least, stop being bottom of the barrell, maybe we already have 2-3 of those positions filled on the roster.
There's no 1 way to fix things and there's easily 20+ teams in the same boat we are.
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
You have to believe a couple of top tier free agents are going to be available and Reese will make a play. I can see 5 to 7 guys that will be targets: Gipson, Jackson, Foster, Boykin, Marvin Jones, Jason Jones, Osemile....not including a few of our own free agents that NYG feels like keeping ( Ayers, Brinley, JPP, Prince, Josh Brown.
The first step was to cut players that are not part of the future. Beason, Schwartz, Beatty - gone. Next is Cruz. Figure out his situation and adjust his paycheck.
I have hope we will get a couple of impact players.
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
That it coincided with losing your starting OLT and your franchise tagged DE on day 1, along with leading the league in injuries?
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
We should have been 8-8 this year, barring some last minute collapses. That was without a slew of players who ended up on IR.
We're closing up the infirmary, and getting new players. Guys who were rookies and showed some promise last year will have a year under their belts. FA and the draft will bring in new faces.
This is the parity era NFL - there's absolutely no reason this team, with a franchise QB, can't get back to the playoffs next season.
And do damage..Look what just an AVERAGE D would have done for us this past season..Can we bring our D at leadt up to average this off season? Absolutely, imv
RE: RE: RE: This team is seriously talent deprived
One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
That it coincided with losing your starting OLT and your franchise tagged DE on day 1, along with leading the league in injuries?
No, not a coincidence.
So you think this roster is stronger than what the record indicated? You aren't going to find many in the NFL world who agree with you.
but what the NFL faithful know better than anything else is that success and failure are both short lived in the parity era.
Four years ago, the Giants won their second Super Bowl in under a decade.
Three years ago, fresh off back to back championship games and a trip to the Super Bowl, the 49ers had a young core and were looking like a perennial powerhouse.
Chip Kelly had joined the Eagles, and his uptempo attack looked like it was going to wreak havoc.
Life in the NFL is cyclical. Rosters go up and down. Injuries have decimated the Giants, robbing them of playmakers and contributors alike. Some personnel misfired added to their woes, but they were still in position to go .500 this year, despite all that.
roster the past 4 years is comprised of undrafted free agents.
The Giants don't need premium picks to fill out the roster, they need more cohesion between the personal department and the coaching staff to identify such players and develop and use them.
last season.....they showed potential, but they played below the level we needed....
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
For fuck's sake, how do you even get out of bed in the morning?
last season.....they showed potential, but they played below the level we needed....
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
would be fairly shocking at this point if they dont use free agency
Are in a great position unless they tell the fans the old lie we are close to contending. The truth is we are rebuilding and FA is not going to be the great healer of all this teams problems. Go to the season trying to win eight games with a roster of 30+ new guys everyone will not expect miracles. However if you lie and say we can make the dance then everone will cry what happened to making the playoffs.
This is a team with less than ten signed players and the rest if they never played a down again for the Giants no one who shed a tear. There are over 400 players in the draft we get to select six out of close to 300 then we need to find 15-25 more that can develop in NFL players. You think JR is the only one under fire everone of our scouts are in the same pot and the heat is on. I just want to start over now why keep dreaming about a pipe dream this team is two years away from being a contender. If someone is not in your plans two years from now why keep him around?
RE: Look at our first two picks
Jeff : 11:47 am : link : reply
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
are you kidding me?
Flowers and Collins were thrown into the fire.....they were starters in name only.....only Newhouse gave up more pressures than Flowers....and Collins looked lost out there....
If you want to see immediate improvement from the draft, you can't have draft picks play at the level Flowers and Collins did....
And yes, Flowers hurt his ankle in the first game, and was hobbled the rest of the season.....was it the ankle or talent? We will know this year....
We keep hearing how Collins is a SS not a FS.....but those positions flip/flop in Spags' defense....there will be times when he has to play FS.....but missed tackles, forgetting to down a player, dropped interceptions, poor coverage ability, and lack of quick decision making, questions whether two picks should have been used to get him.....he was thrown into the fire and expected to play well....he didn't.....maybe this year, with a season under his belt, we see the guy we used two picks on...
devastation in the ranks of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks from 2007-2013. (All still present from 2014-15.)
Only players left are JPP, Prince, Randle, Hosley, Pugh, Hankins.
Prince is as good as gone since once a player declares he wants to test free agency Reese never chases him, and Hosley is as good as gone because, well, because he's Hosley and no one thinks he is worth being on any team's roster.
JPP will probably stay because Jerry realizes he can't get rid of everyone. Randle they would like to replace but so many other needs. Good spot for an aging vet to hold down for a year or two.
My favorite year is 2009 when the Giants had a number one, two number twos and two number threes. Quite an accomplishment to pick five guys who should be in their prime years right now and have none left on the roster.
Nicks: injuries, attitude, decline in ability? only Eli knows the Nicks story for sure and he's not talking.
Sintim: Clint Who? The last linebacker taken with a 1st or 2nd, and maybe he is the reason they never went that high for LB again.
Beatty: Just OK as LT with injuries and high salary.
Barden and Beckum: Two 3rd round picks. Memory not too clear on why they didn't last, but probably because they sucked.
Have to hand it to Jerry. Most GM's hold on to their lousy high draft picks longer than they should because cutting them makes them look bad. Jerry I guess doesn't care.
Being a fan of a team that in my 45 years (the last 41 of them a diehard lunatic Giant fan)that has made 5 superbowls and won 4 I take the offseason as a time of hope and joy really. The reg season tells all and if you see a dog then it is a dog but to be pessimistic in the off season? What are you assholes Browns Fans? Jet Fans? We are the fucking Giants and we are one of the best franchises in the NFL. We have 65 fucking million dollars to spend under the cap, coaches that players want to play for, great owners a super stadium and excellent fans. How about seeing what our GM can do with 65 fucking million before you write 2016 off you fucking asswipes. Jerkoff bandwagon assholes.
He turns it around right here. The previous poster brought up some cold hard facts. Maybe he has been brutal, Still I believe in him for one more year. This is the year. He has to kill it in Free Agency, he has to know more then the next guy.
I believe in my guys until they show me they can't do it then I want them gone. For me it was the Buffalo game with TC. We are up 14 with the ball 3:30 left in the game at the buffalo 9. The game is over..Run, run, run if no TD then field goal. They have no timeouts and a few mins left and we go up 17. Its so simple a baby could understand it. But he not only throws once...but twice and the second pass gets picked and gives the bills a shot to win which they might have if not for a phantom Holding call on one of their offensive lineman. At that point nothing else mattered to me with Coughlin. We had already had the debacle in dallas, why would you just not take your qb and OC and explain the situation? No audibles..no passes. the game is over..we run and if we dont get a td or a first down by running we kick the fg. After that I knew he did not have it anymore. He was more like Herm Edwards then the TC I used to love.
Reese has this year to show me hes not a bum and that his misses on the drafts and free agency could happen to anyone.He has certainly missed way...way too often. Put up or be shipped out time for Reese. I still believe.
RE: Now is the time for me at least to be positive
devastation in the ranks of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks from 2007-2013. (All still present from 2014-15.)
Only players left are JPP, Prince, Randle, Hosley, Pugh, Hankins.
Prince is as good as gone since once a player declares he wants to test free agency Reese never chases him, and Hosley is as good as gone because, well, because he's Hosley and no one thinks he is worth being on any team's roster.
JPP will probably stay because Jerry realizes he can't get rid of everyone. Randle they would like to replace but so many other needs. Good spot for an aging vet to hold down for a year or two.
My favorite year is 2009 when the Giants had a number one, two number twos and two number threes. Quite an accomplishment to pick five guys who should be in their prime years right now and have none left on the roster.
Nicks: injuries, attitude, decline in ability? only Eli knows the Nicks story for sure and he's not talking.
Sintim: Clint Who? The last linebacker taken with a 1st or 2nd, and maybe he is the reason they never went that high for LB again.
Beatty: Just OK as LT with injuries and high salary.
Barden and Beckum: Two 3rd round picks. Memory not too clear on why they didn't last, but probably because they sucked.
Have to hand it to Jerry. Most GM's hold on to their lousy high draft picks longer than they should because cutting them makes them look bad. Jerry I guess doesn't care.
I can refresh your memory on Barden and Beckum: They weren't good at (NFL-level) football.
Will you be happy if they use 55 mil on JAG FA's because they have that much? FA is going to be another big test for JR, who is available, what will it cost to sign him but even more important is and will he be worth dollars spent. I don't care if we sign only one big name FA he just has to be someone who can help this team not just this year but for three to five years down the road. If we only spend 30 mil in FA's but bring in guys who can help in the rebuilding program then that's fine. However I expect the majority of new faces to come from the draft and UDFA's. Sure you can spend four or five mil on a vet but for the same amount you can sign five or more UDFA's. Let's not for get this team presently has a base core of 8-12 players with a reason to have hope for the future. We may have bodies on the roster but for the most part they are not NFL players with much upside.
RE: Look at our first two picks
Jeff : 11:47 am : link : reply
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
are you kidding me?
Flowers and Collins were thrown into the fire.....they were starters in name only.....only Newhouse gave up more pressures than Flowers....and Collins looked lost out there....
If you want to see immediate improvement from the draft, you can't have draft picks play at the level Flowers and Collins did....
And yes, Flowers hurt his ankle in the first game, and was hobbled the rest of the season.....was it the ankle or talent? We will know this year....
We keep hearing how Collins is a SS not a FS.....but those positions flip/flop in Spags' defense....there will be times when he has to play FS.....but missed tackles, forgetting to down a player, dropped interceptions, poor coverage ability, and lack of quick decision making, questions whether two picks should have been used to get him.....he was thrown into the fire and expected to play well....he didn't.....maybe this year, with a season under his belt, we see the guy we used two picks on...
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
I do agree with you that Collins coverage sucks but that was never really his strong suit.
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
Yeah, from the mouth of Gil Brandt...the other OT was picked 34th, and some will say he outplayed Flowers....but hey, any NFL All Rookie team is validated, when undrafted Will Tye makes the team....Gil has to use a bigger dart board, his eyesight is not what it was...
RE: Now is the time for me at least to be positive
Being a fan of a team that in my 45 years (the last 41 of them a diehard lunatic Giant fan)that has made 5 superbowls and won 4 I take the offseason as a time of hope and joy really. The reg season tells all and if you see a dog then it is a dog but to be pessimistic in the off season? What are you assholes Browns Fans? Jet Fans? We are the fucking Giants and we are one of the best franchises in the NFL. We have 65 fucking million dollars to spend under the cap, coaches that players want to play for, great owners a super stadium and excellent fans. How about seeing what our GM can do with 65 fucking million before you write 2016 off you fucking asswipes. Jerkoff bandwagon assholes.
Happy hour start a little early this week?
I like the fact that Flowers has a mean streak. They need that.
I hope that Reese doesn't try to fill all the holes with pretty good players. I'd rather he sign two or three stars this year and then next season sign another couple of stars and then we'd be ready for the playoffs again.
You're lucky to have 3 or 4 'impact players' on your entire roster
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
Yeah, from the mouth of Gil Brandt...the other OT was picked 34th, and some will say he outplayed Flowers....but hey, any NFL All Rookie team is validated, when undrafted Will Tye makes the team....Gil has to use a bigger dart board, his eyesight is not what it was...
Well it certainly proves they dont suck. If you expect all 1st and 2 rnd draft picks to step in and be OBJ then you are in for a lot of disappointment in your future. Will Tye being on the team as an undrafted free agent... doesnt that make the whole rest of the other teams that drafted TEs look bad? How does that take away from LC and EF?
would you be happy if Reese spent $65 million on JAGs? To go with would you be happy if Reese reaches every round of the draft. Would you be happy if Reese gets players that end up getting injured?
seems to be a serious mistake to me and huge waste of money and shows a terrible lack of good management. Teams are supposed to build through the draft and plug holes in FA, looks like we will be trying to do things in reverse order just because of the extra cap money. I don't have any suggestions on how to do it differently at this point but this whole idea smacks of long term crappy management....
RG/RT will be solved in FA. DT and CB need contributors (Hankins and DRC are already impact players there). Solid contributions for a WR not named Beckham, a CB to replace Prince and another one for the slot (1 FA, 1 draft) will go a long way to helping the team.
IMO, we're looking for the best combination of DE/FS/LB out of the first three rounds in the draft and a bunch of our FA money.
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
People like to say that you build through the draft but at the rate we've been going in would take 15 years to upgrade the entire team. And players don't last that long. We not only need to do a better job drafting but we've got to do a much better job in Free Agency.
We should have been 8-8 this year, barring some last minute collapses. That was without a slew of players who ended up on IR.
We're closing up the infirmary, and getting new players. Guys who were rookies and showed some promise last year will have a year under their belts. FA and the draft will bring in new faces.
This is the parity era NFL - there's absolutely no reason this team, with a franchise QB, can't get back to the playoffs next season.
Sure, if Einhorn managed to kidnap Eli instead of Dan Marino, maybe.
Let the team make some moves before you start panicking?
Let the team make some moves before you start panicking?
Randelah - Free Agency is only gonna get us so far -- ie. see 2014 and this year there aren't gonna be a chitload of premium free agents out there
There's no 1 way to fix things and there's easily 20+ teams in the same boat we are.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
The first step was to cut players that are not part of the future. Beason, Schwartz, Beatty - gone. Next is Cruz. Figure out his situation and adjust his paycheck.
I have hope we will get a couple of impact players.
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One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
That it coincided with losing your starting OLT and your franchise tagged DE on day 1, along with leading the league in injuries?
No, not a coincidence.
Bromley could pair up well with Hankins at DT.
With Prince not likely to be back CB should be the Giants biggest need.
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One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
We should have been 8-8 this year, barring some last minute collapses. That was without a slew of players who ended up on IR.
We're closing up the infirmary, and getting new players. Guys who were rookies and showed some promise last year will have a year under their belts. FA and the draft will bring in new faces.
This is the parity era NFL - there's absolutely no reason this team, with a franchise QB, can't get back to the playoffs next season.
And do damage..Look what just an AVERAGE D would have done for us this past season..Can we bring our D at leadt up to average this off season? Absolutely, imv
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One off season isn't enough to really turn things around. I think you can go from mediocre 8-8 playoff team in a season, but this team needs a lot to just get to mediocre.
PFF and Bucky Brooks both ran articles in August within days of each other that had this roster in the low to mid 20's league wide. We're picking 10th. Coincidence?
That it coincided with losing your starting OLT and your franchise tagged DE on day 1, along with leading the league in injuries?
No, not a coincidence.
So you think this roster is stronger than what the record indicated? You aren't going to find many in the NFL world who agree with you.
Four years ago, the Giants won their second Super Bowl in under a decade.
Three years ago, fresh off back to back championship games and a trip to the Super Bowl, the 49ers had a young core and were looking like a perennial powerhouse.
Chip Kelly had joined the Eagles, and his uptempo attack looked like it was going to wreak havoc.
Life in the NFL is cyclical. Rosters go up and down. Injuries have decimated the Giants, robbing them of playmakers and contributors alike. Some personnel misfired added to their woes, but they were still in position to go .500 this year, despite all that.
They'll be back.
The Giants don't need premium picks to fill out the roster, they need more cohesion between the personal department and the coaching staff to identify such players and develop and use them.
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
For fuck's sake, how do you even get out of bed in the morning?
Yet, BBI thinks we are just going to draft lights out, and solve a lot of the holes.....
Outside of OBj, name all the first year, impact draft picks of the last 5 drafts?
And what is out free agency record?
To complicate things, just who will be available in free agency.....I think with the extra cap space, the best free agents will be retained by their teams....
We get a top 10 pick, and all this cap space.....and there may be nothing out there....Oh, the humanity....
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
Of course you guys knew this before you started looking:
defensive playmakers via free agency either come with a very heavy cash price or warts of some kind, such as injuries.
so those must be found via the draft; and we are in luck, the pudits claim this as a strong year for DL.
play into the strength and get them early before they come off the boards, I mean the top 2 or 3 in our definitions of it.
This is a team with less than ten signed players and the rest if they never played a down again for the Giants no one who shed a tear. There are over 400 players in the draft we get to select six out of close to 300 then we need to find 15-25 more that can develop in NFL players. You think JR is the only one under fire everone of our scouts are in the same pot and the heat is on. I just want to start over now why keep dreaming about a pipe dream this team is two years away from being a contender. If someone is not in your plans two years from now why keep him around?
Jeff : 11:47 am : link : reply
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
are you kidding me?
Flowers and Collins were thrown into the fire.....they were starters in name only.....only Newhouse gave up more pressures than Flowers....and Collins looked lost out there....
If you want to see immediate improvement from the draft, you can't have draft picks play at the level Flowers and Collins did....
And yes, Flowers hurt his ankle in the first game, and was hobbled the rest of the season.....was it the ankle or talent? We will know this year....
We keep hearing how Collins is a SS not a FS.....but those positions flip/flop in Spags' defense....there will be times when he has to play FS.....but missed tackles, forgetting to down a player, dropped interceptions, poor coverage ability, and lack of quick decision making, questions whether two picks should have been used to get him.....he was thrown into the fire and expected to play well....he didn't.....maybe this year, with a season under his belt, we see the guy we used two picks on...
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10:49 am : link : reply
For fuck's sake, how do you even get out of bed in the morning?
One leg at a time?
Only players left are JPP, Prince, Randle, Hosley, Pugh, Hankins.
Prince is as good as gone since once a player declares he wants to test free agency Reese never chases him, and Hosley is as good as gone because, well, because he's Hosley and no one thinks he is worth being on any team's roster.
JPP will probably stay because Jerry realizes he can't get rid of everyone. Randle they would like to replace but so many other needs. Good spot for an aging vet to hold down for a year or two.
My favorite year is 2009 when the Giants had a number one, two number twos and two number threes. Quite an accomplishment to pick five guys who should be in their prime years right now and have none left on the roster.
Nicks: injuries, attitude, decline in ability? only Eli knows the Nicks story for sure and he's not talking.
Sintim: Clint Who? The last linebacker taken with a 1st or 2nd, and maybe he is the reason they never went that high for LB again.
Beatty: Just OK as LT with injuries and high salary.
Barden and Beckum: Two 3rd round picks. Memory not too clear on why they didn't last, but probably because they sucked.
Have to hand it to Jerry. Most GM's hold on to their lousy high draft picks longer than they should because cutting them makes them look bad. Jerry I guess doesn't care.
I believe in my guys until they show me they can't do it then I want them gone. For me it was the Buffalo game with TC. We are up 14 with the ball 3:30 left in the game at the buffalo 9. The game is over..Run, run, run if no TD then field goal. They have no timeouts and a few mins left and we go up 17. Its so simple a baby could understand it. But he not only throws once...but twice and the second pass gets picked and gives the bills a shot to win which they might have if not for a phantom Holding call on one of their offensive lineman. At that point nothing else mattered to me with Coughlin. We had already had the debacle in dallas, why would you just not take your qb and OC and explain the situation? No audibles..no passes. the game is over..we run and if we dont get a td or a first down by running we kick the fg. After that I knew he did not have it anymore. He was more like Herm Edwards then the TC I used to love.
Reese has this year to show me hes not a bum and that his misses on the drafts and free agency could happen to anyone.He has certainly missed way...way too often. Put up or be shipped out time for Reese. I still believe.
Huh? Just who the Fuk do you think you're talking to?
Only players left are JPP, Prince, Randle, Hosley, Pugh, Hankins.
Prince is as good as gone since once a player declares he wants to test free agency Reese never chases him, and Hosley is as good as gone because, well, because he's Hosley and no one thinks he is worth being on any team's roster.
JPP will probably stay because Jerry realizes he can't get rid of everyone. Randle they would like to replace but so many other needs. Good spot for an aging vet to hold down for a year or two.
My favorite year is 2009 when the Giants had a number one, two number twos and two number threes. Quite an accomplishment to pick five guys who should be in their prime years right now and have none left on the roster.
Nicks: injuries, attitude, decline in ability? only Eli knows the Nicks story for sure and he's not talking.
Sintim: Clint Who? The last linebacker taken with a 1st or 2nd, and maybe he is the reason they never went that high for LB again.
Beatty: Just OK as LT with injuries and high salary.
Barden and Beckum: Two 3rd round picks. Memory not too clear on why they didn't last, but probably because they sucked.
Have to hand it to Jerry. Most GM's hold on to their lousy high draft picks longer than they should because cutting them makes them look bad. Jerry I guess doesn't care.
I can refresh your memory on Barden and Beckum: They weren't good at (NFL-level) football.
Let the team make some moves before you start panicking?
Yup^
Jeff : 11:47 am : link : reply
Do you really think our first two picks last year played below the level we needed them?
are you kidding me?
Flowers and Collins were thrown into the fire.....they were starters in name only.....only Newhouse gave up more pressures than Flowers....and Collins looked lost out there....
If you want to see immediate improvement from the draft, you can't have draft picks play at the level Flowers and Collins did....
And yes, Flowers hurt his ankle in the first game, and was hobbled the rest of the season.....was it the ankle or talent? We will know this year....
We keep hearing how Collins is a SS not a FS.....but those positions flip/flop in Spags' defense....there will be times when he has to play FS.....but missed tackles, forgetting to down a player, dropped interceptions, poor coverage ability, and lack of quick decision making, questions whether two picks should have been used to get him.....he was thrown into the fire and expected to play well....he didn't.....maybe this year, with a season under his belt, we see the guy we used two picks on...
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
I do agree with you that Collins coverage sucks but that was never really his strong suit.
Jeff : 7:36 pm : link : reply
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
Yeah, from the mouth of Gil Brandt...the other OT was picked 34th, and some will say he outplayed Flowers....but hey, any NFL All Rookie team is validated, when undrafted Will Tye makes the team....Gil has to use a bigger dart board, his eyesight is not what it was...
Happy hour start a little early this week?
I like the fact that Flowers has a mean streak. They need that.
I hope that Reese doesn't try to fill all the holes with pretty good players. I'd rather he sign two or three stars this year and then next season sign another couple of stars and then we'd be ready for the playoffs again.
Jeff : 7:36 pm : link : reply
Yes those two slouches were only voted to the NFL all Rookie team :)
Yeah, from the mouth of Gil Brandt...the other OT was picked 34th, and some will say he outplayed Flowers....but hey, any NFL All Rookie team is validated, when undrafted Will Tye makes the team....Gil has to use a bigger dart board, his eyesight is not what it was...
Well it certainly proves they dont suck. If you expect all 1st and 2 rnd draft picks to step in and be OBJ then you are in for a lot of disappointment in your future. Will Tye being on the team as an undrafted free agent... doesnt that make the whole rest of the other teams that drafted TEs look bad? How does that take away from LC and EF?