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Even before the Giants made any moves this offseason, they had $44 million under the salary cap to spend on free agents, extensions and draft picks. Already, just days after the completion of the Super Bowl and the 2015 season, that number has grown significantly. The Giants cut offensive linemen Will Beatty and Geoff Schwartz and middle linebacker Jon Beason retired before he was released. That freed another $12 million under the salary cap for the Giants this offseason. Do the math and that gives them $56 million to spend (if they so please), with it being a certainty there will be more. Giants players currently under contract for 2016: 50 Salaries counted against 2016 salary cap: $97.625 million Dead money vs. 2016 salary cap: $9.7 million Current total committed to cap (salaries + dead money): $107.3 million Giants projected salary cap for 2016: $152 million (estimate) + $11.2 million carryover from 2015 = $163.2 million Money available under cap: $55.9 million |
It has a more reliable and significant impact on your ballclub. Now you don't just spend for the sake of it. If you have legitimate holes in your staring roster though that is the way to go.
Malik Jackson? Gipson? Trevathan? Nice players, but they're not worth paying like stars.
Overpaying is bad business whether you have 60 million in cap space or 6 million.
There are tiers in free agncy and the Giants should be active in the upper tiers this year. We should be targeting quality starting talent that will be paid market rates for their established productivity.
I'm doing really well, thanks..Yes, I tend to agree
Or, to put it another way we could have kept Beatty and Schwartz for 2 million a piece.
Now I assume that's not right and I'm mixed up....so pls. someone explain....
That's not right, and you are mixed up. Here's why:
The total dead money on Beatty, Schwartz and Beason is indeed about $8.4MM, broken down as follows:
Beatty: $5MM;
Schwartz: $1.92MM (might be more, but this is the consensus figure);
Beason: $1.47MM
But here's the key point: All of that money was already spent, and all of it would have hit the cap anyway - about 58% of it in 2016, the balance in 2017. In fact, the worst-case accelerated amortization from the three cuts in 2016 is less than $3.5MM:
Beatty: $2.5MM
Schwartz: $0.96MM
Beason: $0 (because 2016 was the last year of his contract).
It's worth emphasizing the distinction between total dead money and bonus acceleration. If you're looking for a negative cap impact from these cuts, the biggest number you should use is $3.5MM. I understand that the other $4.9MM has been "wasted"; my point is simply that it was already counted against the 2016 cap. By the way, it seems that the $3.5MM can be reduced to under $1MM by designating Beatty as a post-June 1 cut.
Regardless of how the unamortized bonus money is accounted for, the savings from not paying those three salaries are quite real, and they are not in any way eroded by dead money. The money that is now "dead" was going to hit the cap anyway, in addition to the salaries.
Last years player can become this years back-up, and would likely be better than last years, if he makes the team at all.
I have to believe that the top 2 draft picks, at a minimum, are day 1 starters, since there a just too many holes in the team, and more youth and speed are needed to be sprinkled in quickly, especially on D.
Malik Jackson at 7-8M AAV I could see Reese in, but not at 10M-12M AAV.
As for the Trevathon if he is looking for 6M AAV, the Giants will probably opt to re-sign Brinkley at 30% of that and draft a MLB round 3 or later.
The Giants are not going to go the way of Jones Cowboys or Snyders Skins, they will stick to their value boards in FA and the Draft and move accordingly.
The last two Super Bowl teams were right up against the cap because the team would sign the core players to extensions before free agency (Osi, Tuck, Webster, Eli, Snee, Diehl, etc.) taking up the bulk of the cap space allowing them for normally one or two big splashes every couple years to fill big holes (Burress, McKenzie, Pierce, Rolle)
DT Jaye Howard, CB Sean Smith, OLB Tamba Hali - I'd take all 3.
we're stuck in a hole and its either buy a bunch of UFA's or fill the slots with rookies and be the worst team in the league.
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W u on malik jackson and trevathon. Both would b excellent pickups and I suspect at least one will b a giant
Malik Jackson at 7-8M AAV I could see Reese in, but not at 10M-12M AAV.
As for the Trevathon if he is looking for 6M AAV, the Giants will probably opt to re-sign Brinkley at 30% of that and draft a MLB round 3 or later.
The Giants are not going to go the way of Jones Cowboys or Snyders Skins, they will stick to their value boards in FA and the Draft and move accordingly.
Points well taken. However, with Reese purportedly on the hot seat, I think his normal FA value board goes astray or very well might as compared to his normal m.o...
The last two Super Bowl teams were right up against the cap because the team would sign the core players to extensions before free agency (Osi, Tuck, Webster, Eli, Snee, Diehl, etc.) taking up the bulk of the cap space allowing them for normally one or two big splashes every couple years to fill big holes (Burress, McKenzie, Pierce, Rolle)
Factor in no 2nd contracts to Wilson, Phillips, Nicks, Steve Smith, JPP and Terrel Thomas because of injuries and then you are 100% correct.
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W u on malik jackson and trevathon. Both would b excellent pickups and I suspect at least one will b a giant
Malik Jackson at 7-8M AAV I could see Reese in, but not at 10M-12M AAV.
As for the Trevathon if he is looking for 6M AAV, the Giants will probably opt to re-sign Brinkley at 30% of that and draft a MLB round 3 or later.
The Giants are not going to go the way of Jones Cowboys or Snyders Skins, they will stick to their value boards in FA and the Draft and move accordingly.
Points well taken. However, with Reese purportedly on the hot seat, I think his normal FA value board goes astray or very well might as compared to his normal m.o...
I don't think Mara will allow this. Regardless of Reese's standing with the team, Mara is not going to allow us to become the Saints and ruin our seemingly solid cap situation going forward for the next couple years.
Once again, I think we will be aggressive, but there are checks and balances (as Reese as even said himself with everyone being involved) and no way Mara, Abrams, etc. let him go tossing money around that isn't warranted. We may overpay, but very slightly compared to the last couple years.
I won't be surprised because I expect them to be very aggressive, I just don't think they are going to way overpay based on the market value they put on a player, that wouldn't be prudent.
They will earmark their top targets, go after them hard, and probably slightly overpay if there is a bidding war, but I don't expect them to set the market higher and raise the bar for said position like other teams have done in the past (Redskins)
we're stuck in a hole and its either buy a bunch of UFA's or fill the slots with rookies and be the worst team in the league.
You don't turn a team around by signing high priced free agents.
The draft pipeline stopped flowing from 2008-2012. That's the pain we're feeling now. The pipeline has started up again and will be the reason this team sinks or swims.
Overpaying Danny Trevathan isn't going to solve anything.
If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend
Overpaying is what free agency is about. What makes free agency a red herring is that players get paid for what they've done, not what they're going to do.
Guys like Trevathan and Jackson were lieutenants on Denver to Miller and Ware. Whomever pays them is going to pay them like a general, but that doesn't mean they'll be generals...especially with no Miller and Ware next to them.
The examples of this are countless and far exceed the number of big free agent signings that work out.
It wasn't that long ago we were excited about signing Schwartz and Beason.
If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend
They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department
If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend
They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?
That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet
Could they reserve a portion with an eye to extending OBJ or other in house players in the near future? Absolutely. That still leaves them with 40-45M+ to distribute.
I'd rather sign 2-3 beasts in FA and save the rest for our own guys to re-sign rather than throw good money after bad just because of a need. You can fill holes with guys like Tye and Donnell and Wade for pennies rather than sign some overpaid vet and have him give you virtually the same production if not less.
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department
If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend
They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?
That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet
I agree and has been Reese's MO over time when he really wants someone (Rolle, Canty, Boley) but as others have mentioned due to the amount of cap space out there some teams may drive the market out of whack for certain positions. The Giants will draw a line in the sand eventually
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department
If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend
They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?
That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet
I agree and has been Reese's MO over time when he really wants someone (Rolle, Canty, Boley) but as others have mentioned due to the amount of cap space out there some teams may drive the market out of whack for certain positions. The Giants will draw a line in the sand eventually
Totally agree with the line in the sand comment
There's enough talent in this free agent class to be optimistic we'll land several starters at positions that will immediately upgrade us heading into the Draft.
There's enough talent in this free agent class to be optimistic we'll land several starters at positions that will immediately upgrade us heading into the Draft.
The free agent DB pool looks like the strongest and deepest group and it's a match for the Giants as they have 3 big holes to fill at CB2, FS and Slot CB.
1. Guys who are good value because they will play multiple spots: Harris, Thomas, Casillas
2. Average players with some possible upside and who can fill holes but don't cost a lot, such as Schwartz, Newhouse, Jerry, Ayers and Walton
3. Guys who are talented but are undervalued for some reason (playing different position-Canty, character issues--Plax, or lack of opportunity--Boley, Harris at WR)
The difference this year is that the Giants have more cap space so they don't have to settle for guys. They can sign a Mitchell Schwartz rather than a Geoff because they have those extra millions, whereas previous years they had to take on injury-risk guys because that is all they could afford.
So, I think we will see the same approach from the Giants, only they will sign guys they really want rather than what they can afford. So, personnel will not be dictated as much by money--and that could make a huge difference.
Guys breaking down and declining when they're on their third contracts isn't bad luck - it's poor risk management.
That would include Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Cordy Glenn, Marvin Jones, Kelechi Osemele, Travis Benjamin, Robert Golden, and Rishard Mathews among others.
That is correct. Short memories
Where we can make an impact is signing 2nd tier players. solid players who all together can make a difference. We can afford a lot of those guys. the only question is whether there's enough of them to be had. this tier covers a lot of ground, IMO. At the top can be found OK-decent starters, at the bottom are depth guys who won't screw up too badly if pressed into starting (but who you really don't want starting).
We won't need to settle for bargain basement players. There'll still be plenty of them, but we're not going to find (or afford) enough 1st and second tier players to fill out the team, so they're still going to be a fact of life.
We've been gradually getting out of the need for the hordes of bargain basement guys as our cap has gotten better.
Maybe some impact players that can fill voids until this organization figures out how to draft and develop players properly. What has been going for years is in this regard is nothing but incompetence in the drafting and coaching development. Hopefully these new coaches now what the f they are doing and can instill some football consistency to avoid these game embarrassments.
That would include Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Cordy Glenn, Marvin Jones, Kelechi Osemele, Travis Benjamin, Robert Golden, and Rishard Mathews among others.
Jackson, Gipson, Jones please plus Mitchell Schwartz.