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Raanan: Giants should be $56 million under cap PLUS

Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2016 7:45 am
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Even before the Giants made any moves this offseason, they had $44 million under the salary cap to spend on free agents, extensions and draft picks. Already, just days after the completion of the Super Bowl and the 2015 season, that number has grown significantly.

The Giants cut offensive linemen Will Beatty and Geoff Schwartz and middle linebacker Jon Beason retired before he was released. That freed another $12 million under the salary cap for the Giants this offseason.

Do the math and that gives them $56 million to spend (if they so please), with it being a certainty there will be more.

Giants players currently under contract for 2016: 50

Salaries counted against 2016 salary cap: $97.625 million

Dead money vs. 2016 salary cap: $9.7 million

Current total committed to cap (salaries + dead money): $107.3 million

Giants projected salary cap for 2016: $152 million (estimate) + $11.2 million carryover from 2015 = $163.2 million

Money available under cap: $55.9 million



Read on for how much more (potentially) there could be

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RE: Yeah the Giants did a marvelous job of sticking to their value boards  
Brandon Walsh : 2/12/2016 11:54 am : link
In comment 12812231 gidiefor said:
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department

If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend


They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?
RE: RE: Yeah the Giants did a marvelous job of sticking to their value boards  
Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2016 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12812254 Brandon Walsh said:
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department

If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend



They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?


That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet
'2005 is an outlier'...  
Torrag : 2/12/2016 12:03 pm : link
The Giants use nearly all their cap room every year. JPP's injury is the only reason we have a significant cap rollover. When the Giants have had money to spend...guess what...they spend it. This year will be no different.

Could they reserve a portion with an eye to extending OBJ or other in house players in the near future? Absolutely. That still leaves them with 40-45M+ to distribute.

to me the Giants need to sign quality over quantity this off-season.  
djm : 2/12/2016 12:05 pm : link
We signed a bunch of stiffs in 2013 or one year deals and hardly anyone is even here from that group it anyone at all.

I'd rather sign 2-3 beasts in FA and save the rest for our own guys to re-sign rather than throw good money after bad just because of a need. You can fill holes with guys like Tye and Donnell and Wade for pennies rather than sign some overpaid vet and have him give you virtually the same production if not less.

It's
RE: RE: RE: Yeah the Giants did a marvelous job of sticking to their value boards  
Brandon Walsh : 2/12/2016 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12812267 Big Blue '56 said:
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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department

If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend



They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?



That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet


I agree and has been Reese's MO over time when he really wants someone (Rolle, Canty, Boley) but as others have mentioned due to the amount of cap space out there some teams may drive the market out of whack for certain positions. The Giants will draw a line in the sand eventually
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah the Giants did a marvelous job of sticking to their value boards  
Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12812285 Brandon Walsh said:
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In comment 12812267 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 12812254 Brandon Walsh said:


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In comment 12812231 gidiefor said:


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last year -- look where it got us in the Safety department

If you want some players this year you are going to have to loosen the value Board at least a little -- I'm not saying through all caution to the wind -- but values this year are going to go up because there is a lot of big money out there to spend



They were willing to pay more for McCourty and he decided to take less and go back to the Patriots. How much more could they have done?



That's why we'll spend big if we NEED to imo..The flush of money is not for spending indiscriminately, rather it's for being ABLE TO COMPETE for players they highly covet



I agree and has been Reese's MO over time when he really wants someone (Rolle, Canty, Boley) but as others have mentioned due to the amount of cap space out there some teams may drive the market out of whack for certain positions. The Giants will draw a line in the sand eventually


Totally agree with the line in the sand comment
We have a shot to  
phil in arizona : 2/12/2016 12:19 pm : link
add both quantity and quality.
Is there a value line the Giants won't cross?...  
Torrag : 2/12/2016 12:21 pm : link
...Absolutely. That said they'll be ready and willing to pay a premium for players they target.

There's enough talent in this free agent class to be optimistic we'll land several starters at positions that will immediately upgrade us heading into the Draft.
when all is said and done  
giants#1 : 2/12/2016 12:26 pm : link
I'd bet the Giants add at least 3-4 legit starters (above average players) and another 3-4 JTT/John Jerry level players. And if I was going to break it down further, I see adding legit starters at: CB, 2 DL (at least), WR with the lower level guys (vet stop gaps) at FS, LB, TE, OL.

RE: Is there a value line the Giants won't cross?...  
JPinstripes : 2/12/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12812321 Torrag said:
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...Absolutely. That said they'll be ready and willing to pay a premium for players they target.

There's enough talent in this free agent class to be optimistic we'll land several starters at positions that will immediately upgrade us heading into the Draft.


The free agent DB pool looks like the strongest and deepest group and it's a match for the Giants as they have 3 big holes to fill at CB2, FS and Slot CB.
“Sometime they’ll give a war and nobody will come.”  
Doomster : 2/12/2016 12:41 pm : link
Sometime the Giants will have a huge cap, and the shelves will be bare.....
I don't think Giants approach in FA will change  
Vanzetti : 2/12/2016 12:47 pm : link
They generally look for:

1. Guys who are good value because they will play multiple spots: Harris, Thomas, Casillas

2. Average players with some possible upside and who can fill holes but don't cost a lot, such as Schwartz, Newhouse, Jerry, Ayers and Walton

3. Guys who are talented but are undervalued for some reason (playing different position-Canty, character issues--Plax, or lack of opportunity--Boley, Harris at WR)


The difference this year is that the Giants have more cap space so they don't have to settle for guys. They can sign a Mitchell Schwartz rather than a Geoff because they have those extra millions, whereas previous years they had to take on injury-risk guys because that is all they could afford.

So, I think we will see the same approach from the Giants, only they will sign guys they really want rather than what they can afford. So, personnel will not be dictated as much by money--and that could make a huge difference.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/12/2016 12:59 pm : link
I hope there's a concerted effort to go after guys coming off their second contracts. McKenzie and Pierce worked out well because they grew into their contracts - I recall McKenzie in particular being criticized as an overpayment.

Guys breaking down and declining when they're on their third contracts isn't bad luck - it's poor risk management.
Brett I think you meant to say...  
Torrag : 2/12/2016 1:18 pm : link
...sign guys coming off their first contracts.

That would include Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Cordy Glenn, Marvin Jones, Kelechi Osemele, Travis Benjamin, Robert Golden, and Rishard Mathews among others.
Yes, Torrag.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/12/2016 1:19 pm : link
Sorry. Thanks for catching that.
I don't think it's accurate to say they "settled" for Geoff Schwartz.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/12/2016 1:25 pm : link
He was considered to be one of the best available free agents the year he was on the market.
RE: I don't think it's accurate to say they  
Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12812448 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was considered to be one of the best available free agents the year he was on the market.


That is correct. Short memories
I think people will be disappointed  
fkap : 2/12/2016 2:48 pm : link
if they think we're going to be going all out in the top tier FA. Will probably add a couple.

Where we can make an impact is signing 2nd tier players. solid players who all together can make a difference. We can afford a lot of those guys. the only question is whether there's enough of them to be had. this tier covers a lot of ground, IMO. At the top can be found OK-decent starters, at the bottom are depth guys who won't screw up too badly if pressed into starting (but who you really don't want starting).

We won't need to settle for bargain basement players. There'll still be plenty of them, but we're not going to find (or afford) enough 1st and second tier players to fill out the team, so they're still going to be a fact of life.

We've been gradually getting out of the need for the hordes of bargain basement guys as our cap has gotten better.
I think, it usually happens most of the time, when it comes time to  
micky : 2/12/2016 3:26 pm : link
spend, the pool of top-tier FA's will be off the market because of the FT and resigning with own team. The pool of talent may be in the lower rung like third wave type players..role players not much starter quality.
hopefully whatever we spend  
mdc1 : 2/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
improves the talent level from a basic football perspective and guys that can make impact in games, instead of just guys that fit some metric or scheme.

Maybe some impact players that can fill voids until this organization figures out how to draft and develop players properly. What has been going for years is in this regard is nothing but incompetence in the drafting and coaching development. Hopefully these new coaches now what the f they are doing and can instill some football consistency to avoid these game embarrassments.
RE: Brett I think you meant to say...  
Rjanyg : 2/12/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12812432 Torrag said:
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...sign guys coming off their first contracts.

That would include Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Cordy Glenn, Marvin Jones, Kelechi Osemele, Travis Benjamin, Robert Golden, and Rishard Mathews among others.


Jackson, Gipson, Jones please plus Mitchell Schwartz.
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