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PFF ranks 2015/16 QBs...Eli comes in at #24

Cruzin : 2/12/2016 7:48 am
24. Eli Manning, New York Giants, 67.5

Manning had his moments, but overall, he received good interception luck (fourth-most TWPs at 30, only 14 interceptions) and incredible play from Odell Beckham Jr. certainly helped his cause.





Best of the bunch
1. Carson Palmer, Arizona Cardinals, 98.5

The best quarterback in the league from start to finish, Palmer’s season was a fantastic to watch, as he made jaw-dropping throws every week on his way to our top passing grade (97.5). He led the league with 52 big-time throws (BTTs), while throwing the highest percentage of positively-graded throws in the NFL. His week-to-week consistency was unmatched, as he graded positively in all 16 games. Palmer’s career year was one of the best we’ve seen in the PFF era, dating back to 2007, earning him the first team QB slot on our All-Pro roster.

2. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers, 97.9

When healthy, Roethlisberger was right up there with Palmer with regard to downfield, pinpoint accuracy, actually edging him slightly to lead the league in highest percentage of BTTs, at 8.49 percent. He did make a few questionable decisions throughout the season, but he’s still playing the best football of his career while leading perhaps the league’s most dangerous passing attack.

3. Tom Brady, New England Patriots, 92.9

Brady started the season in dominant fashion, but a rash of injuries along the offensive line and within his receiving corps tempered the raw numbers. Even with a lesser supporting cast, he continued to play well, even though the gaudy numbers tapered off. Brady was the league’s best at taking care of the ball (turnover-worthy throws on only 1.11 percent of his attempts), and his 14 touchdowns thrown under pressure were the most of any QB in the PFF era (2007).

4. Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers, 87.0

After looking very much like the same quarterback his first four years in the league, Newton took a massive step forward in 2015. His running ability makes him the league’s most unique quarterback, as he can move the chains as a short-yardage runner, or when things break down in the pocket. Most impressive was the way he zipped the ball around the field accurately, something he’d struggled with early in his career. Newton’s 41 BTTs ranked fifth in the league, and he dropped his TWP percentage to 3.06 percent, good for 12th in the NFL.

5. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, 87.0

A late push moves Wilson into the top tier, as he was outstanding in the second half of the season (outside of a poor game against the Cardinals in Week 10). His PFF pass grade of 86.4 ranked fifth in the league, and he supplemented it with his usual scrambling ability at 91.2. Wilson had the second-lowest percentage of negatively-graded throws, and he led the league with 15 touchdowns on deep passes (20+ yards in air).

6. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints, 87.6

While the Saints struggled as a team, Brees quietly performed up to his previous levels of play, aside from a few games battling through injury. He finished strong with the league’s highest grade in the fourth quarter of the season. Despite missing a game and playing Week 2 with an injured shoulder, Brees ranked second in the league with 1,180 yards on deep passes, while finishing third in BTTs (43). He cut back on the turnover-worthy plays after an uncharacteristic 2014, as the veteran still looks like he’s capable of elite play.


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I'm sure Buffalo are on the phone  
English Alaister : 2/12/2016 8:18 am : link
offering Tyrod Taylor for Andrew Luck and a basket of picks.
RE: I'm sure Buffalo are on the phone  
Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 12811812 English Alaister said:
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offering Tyrod Taylor for Andrew Luck and a basket of picks.


Lol..Always a pleasure EA
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/12/2016 8:28 am : link
Statistically, Eli has had two of his best seasons in the last two years.

He broke a bunch of franchise records in 2015.
This is about as big a piece of garbage  
Giant John : 2/12/2016 8:40 am : link
as I have read. Anyone can write what they like. For those who do not have a clue doing so exposes them for what they are. Idiots.
PFF  
Deej : 2/12/2016 8:45 am : link
also says he has the worst tackles in the NFL. Unfair to mention Odell and not that IMO.
Football Outsiders ranks him low as well  
exiled : 2/12/2016 8:45 am : link
Just an eyeball test lets you know he's been playing great football.
Total BS  
njm : 2/12/2016 8:50 am : link
1. If Andrew Luck is rated at #34 it's obvious they didn't take into account the OL in front of these QBs.

2. "Interception luck" - Translation - A totally arbitrary and bullshit metric to allow us to skew ratings in any way we please.
RE: Football Outsiders ranks him low as well  
Cruzin : 2/12/2016 8:54 am : link
In comment 12811845 exiled said:
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Just an eyeball test lets you know he's been playing great football.


Football Outsiders has him ranked 18th.

It's interesting how underrated Eli is outside of BBI. Of course, throwing the Dallas game away on National TV didn't help. I think an argument can be made that Eli is a top ten QB, he certainly should be in the top 15 using any accepted form of statistics.
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RE: Total BS  
jcn56 : 2/12/2016 8:57 am : link
In comment 12811851 njm said:
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2. "Interception luck" - Translation - A totally arbitrary and bullshit metric to allow us to skew ratings in any way we please.


What did you think the definition of 'advanced' was when it comes to metrics/analytics? Arbitrary and bullshit are the first two that come to mind.
PFF  
Sy'56 : 2/12/2016 9:00 am : link
is often off in their rankings and those in the scouting business know it.

But be careful some of you....I see a lot of PFF references when it backs your opinion. Don't cherry pick when to, and when not to, use them. I would just ignore everything they put out other than the objective snap counts.
LOL...  
BillKo : 2/12/2016 9:07 am : link
Sam Bradford at #12..........
They knock Eli  
KWALL2 : 2/12/2016 9:14 am : link
For Beckham but want about a bump for playing with the other pass catchers in 2016?

Strange knock especially with no mention of it with anybody else such as Ben and Ryan.
Ben was good when healthy but  
KWALL2 : 2/12/2016 9:15 am : link
He "leads the best passing system" while Eli rides Beckham for his production?
I just printed out the article  
JCin332 : 2/12/2016 9:16 am : link
to use it to wipe my ass in a few minutes after my post coffee dump...
So 75% of the NFL  
Chef : 2/12/2016 9:45 am : link
Quarterbacks are better than Eli Manning? simply brutal...
Clueless PFF  
Torrag : 2/12/2016 9:46 am : link
why these threads concerning their bogus ranking 'system' continue are beyond me.
the Big Ben rank is a joke  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2016 9:53 am : link
He had a good year but it was truly overhyped.

The difference in perception and performance between Ben and Eli this year was massive.
This is a money maker  
AP in Halfmoon : 2/12/2016 9:59 am : link
massive click bait
These are advanced metrics  
RetroJint : 2/12/2016 10:04 am : link
that the professionals in the business are embracing even if we mock, ridicule and revile. I mentioned last month where Eli stood by passing rating. He's better off there. However he is still in the teens. The comment above about not cherry picking is spot on. Their rankings get used to prove points when the numbers are favorable to your position. When not, they are pissed on.

just when you thought online journalism couldn't get any worse  
Eli2Plax1017 : 2/12/2016 10:22 am : link
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Good point Retro  
Cruzin : 2/12/2016 10:23 am : link

It's obvious Eli is overrated on BBI and underrated elsewhere. However, I think ranking Eli as low as 24 for this year's performance is incorrect using any system. I think anything lower than #15 overall would be unrealistic.
So there are  
TMS : 2/12/2016 10:30 am : link
23 QBs out there that teams would rather have than ELI. Nonsense and not worth discussing. IMO.
Thanks for that thread:  
old man : 2/12/2016 10:34 am : link
Some comic relief for my morning.
Wow just wow..  
prdave73 : 2/12/2016 10:34 am : link
Yet Eli made the Pro Bowl and started as well??! That has to be the worst ranking I have seen in a long time. Just a horrible job by PFF..
PFF only matters on BBI  
hitdog42 : 2/12/2016 10:36 am : link
for Flowers....
RE: Wow just wow..  
Cruzin : 2/12/2016 10:42 am : link
In comment 12812028 prdave73 said:
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Yet Eli made the Pro Bowl and started as well??! That has to be the worst ranking I have seen in a long time. Just a horrible job by PFF..


Eli didn't actually make the Pro Bowl, he was a fill in after several refusals. He started but played the least and possibly the worst of any of the QBs there.

Bad example
RE: These are advanced metrics  
GMenLTS : 2/12/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 12811961 RetroJint said:
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that the professionals in the business are embracing even if we mock, ridicule and revile. I mentioned last month where Eli stood by passing rating. He's better off there. However he is still in the teens. The comment above about not cherry picking is spot on. Their rankings get used to prove points when the numbers are favorable to your position. When not, they are pissed on.


The advanced metrics are not what the professionals are using, they are all that the professionals left for the public to consume.

The professionals are paying for exclusive use of things like snapcounts and formations.
if anything  
SHO'NUFF : 2/12/2016 11:17 am : link
Eli has had the worst luck with interceptions I've ever seen in a career...
Advanced Metrics?  
KWALL2 : 2/12/2016 11:37 am : link
That's such nonsense.

They rank them and don't clearly explain the grade. It's BS.

It's not just about Eli. Although knocking him for Beckham while Ryan is praised for doing so much with only one "good" receiving option (Do they know about RB Freeman?).

What advanced Metrics ranks Brees so high this year? He was consistently awful for the first 10 games (outside of the Giant game).

Ryan sucked.

Rodgers? He was great when you consider the absolute garbage he played with.

The only thing I see here that makes sense is that #1 ranking. Carson Palmer is elite!
IT's all about the wins and losses  
BigBlueCane : 2/12/2016 11:41 am : link
for an elite QB, we lose way too often.

That's not Eli's fault but he isn't blameless either.

This is why I'm PO'd at no front office firings or real changes.
That's why PFF is absolute, total junk  
Stan in LA : 2/12/2016 11:45 am : link
Don't you folks get it yet?
Osi  
KWALL2 : 2/12/2016 11:49 am : link
When healthy Ben was excellent this year. He had them going up and down the field and scoring a lot of points.

It helps to have Brown and Bryant but he was getting the ball down field more than ever before and producing a lot of points. He seems to be on the upswing and getting better.

Eli could do the same. Get him a number 2 close to Bryant and Giants will score 30+/game like PIT did in 2015 when Ben was healthy.
I can appreciate  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/12/2016 12:19 pm : link
what PFF (and Football Outsiders) are trying to accomplish and I like that they are trying to look at the actions and not necessarily the results. However, PFF has no idea how to rate quarterbacks because it has no context for schemes, has absolutely no idea how to accommodate for surrounding talent, and cannot in any accurate way compare QBs having to get rid of the ball early due to pressure vs. QBs who have a clean pocket.

If Eli throws a great pass to Beckham but he drops it, then sure, PFF will credit Eli for a good throw. However, if Rueben Randle runs the wrong route or quits on the route and Eli throws it to where he should be, and Randle is either not there, or it's intercepted, it will result in an atrocious grade for Eli.


It just goes to show you,  
Doomster : 2/12/2016 12:25 pm : link
when someone quotes PFF to back up their argument, you have this uncontrollable laughter build up inside of you...

Eli had one WR, no TE, no running game he could depend on, threw 6 tds with no int's, and his defense still couldn't win the game......

Give all those qb's in front of him, the Giant defense, and see what their record would be....
If you look at it carefully  
NINEster : 2/12/2016 12:34 pm : link
with very few exceptions, the QB rankings are more or less proportional with how well their teams did.

Eli was punished for the team's lack of a winning record, whether it's on him or not.

Carson Palmer on the Raiders I'm sure was a 20-30 something ranked QB.

Look at the big picture, PFF rankings are based on their cumulative score. It's not an eye test calculation.

And even if they claim it's objective, when your team has a s*** run game, OL, defense....it will affect you.

Eli on the Seahawks would concern me a lot. Wilson, not as much.
take away eli's one awful game and his one game without beckham  
OBJ_AllDay : 2/12/2016 1:38 pm : link
and he has 9 int on the season - another season with no running game, a very average o line and no help outside of beckham. Throws 35 td's and is ranked 24th. "its comical at this point" - tiki barber voice
They could spend  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 1:57 pm : link
a week showing me why they think this makes sense and I would laugh and not care.

How come the people  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 1:59 pm : link
who run these things don't look at their own methods and say "wait how can we print that and have people take us seriously?"
And this matters because  
Default : 2/12/2016 2:02 pm : link
?
again  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/12/2016 3:21 pm : link
I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I think they are on the right track towards evaluation, but I think it is dangerously incomplete with regard to quarterbacks.
Are there any more reasons  
LeonofKiev : 2/12/2016 3:29 pm : link
needed for people to realize PFF means nothing?
Absolutely ridiculous.....
Man, if only we could pull off an Eli for Tyrod fucking Taylor deal!  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2016 3:37 pm : link
Championship right there with that one move
While the ranking is obviously stupid...  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
...I didn't think Eli was all that great this year. I remain awed by his durability, and I believe he will continue to improve his execution of McAdoo's offense. I also understand the adverse circumstances in which he was operating. I just wasn't nearly as impressed by 2015 Eli as 2011 Eli, who overcame a lot of the same kinds of adversity.
There's always something fishy  
mrvax : 2/12/2016 3:44 pm : link
with PFF's stats. Not sure what they are doing but a lot of stuff just doesn't jive with reality.

Maybe a BBI poster skilled in statistics can find out what PFF is doing wrong.
RE: IT's all about the wins and losses  
mrvax : 2/12/2016 3:46 pm : link
In comment 12812207 BigBlueCane said:
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This is why I'm PO'd at no front office firings or real changes.


Shit-canning your head coach is a pretty bold move for the Giants.
RE: While the ranking is obviously stupid...  
BillKo : 2/12/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12812678 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...I didn't think Eli was all that great this year. I remain awed by his durability, and I believe he will continue to improve his execution of McAdoo's offense. I also understand the adverse circumstances in which he was operating. I just wasn't nearly as impressed by 2015 Eli as 2011 Eli, who overcame a lot of the same kinds of adversity.


Well, for starters Eli had three legit weapons: Cruz, Nicks, and Manningham. That's a big jump start.



It'd be nice if we gave Eli  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/12/2016 4:45 pm : link
a defense so we can take advantage of some of these good years left from Eli.
mrvax  
BigBlueCane : 2/12/2016 6:47 pm : link
not when the GM and his best buddy the Director of College scouting still have jobs.
Interception luck means nothing to the diehards  
xman : 2/12/2016 8:22 pm : link
but interception bad luck is accepted with open arms when things don't go Eli's way.
I  
Toth029 : 2/13/2016 2:53 pm : link
Have nothing against the guy, but Ben Roethlisberger has become one of the most overrated guys in the league. His offenses finally begin jumping upward when there is All Pros at RB and WR. By a statistical standard and his division opponents, he did not have a great season at all. Even when Bell gets injured, Williams slides in and it feels like the production never falls off. He played marvelous. Defense helds its own, even. They beat the tough Cardinals team with a backup QB, no less.
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