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NFT: New York Knicks - All Hell Breaking Loose...Calamity,Chaos..

SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 3:50 pm
Can anyone here explain why it is that a horrible losing streak has not only caused people to be concerned, but instead has the team being described like they are a completely horrible, embarrassing, poorly run, horribly coached, piece of trash team?


They lost some games. Without their best player. THeir coach got fired because after hitting 22-22, they lost a bunch without the guy that is essential for them to win. And they almost won many of the ganes....or he got fired for boning players' girlfriends.

But why is there this much panic and Phil Jackson attacking etc.... THey are not at all in a spot that is impossible to pull out of when they play well.

What the hell is going on? Anyone able to explain this? And dont say the coach or phil jackson because im not quite that stupid. DId they just play better than expected and raise expectations too much?
what is this rumor  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 3:52 pm : link
about Phil Jackson leaving?

When the hell has that even slightly become a thing?
RE: what is this rumor  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2016 3:53 pm : link
In comment 12812702 SethFromAstoria said:
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about Phil Jackson leaving?

When the hell has that even slightly become a thing?


He has an opt-out in his contract and "rumblings" the Lakers may make a play for him.
Remember that old Bugs Bunny cartoon?  
jcn56 : 2/12/2016 3:55 pm : link
Rabbit Season/Duck Season, etc.?

Well, there's no football. There's no baseball. There's only the Knicks, and umpteen media outlets to cover them.

Hide, until rabbit season is over.
JCN  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 4:03 pm : link
yes...that makes sense...

THing is I want Phil to stay. I think he's done well. I want free agents to come. THe media is trying to make them not. I wanted the coach to stay. Oh well don't care really. But there is an insanely larger amount of good compared to bad with this team. Unless you expected a championship...which would make you dumb asfuck
Jackson doesn't stay or go based on the media  
jcn56 : 2/12/2016 4:05 pm : link
They're irrelevant to him. IMO, the only way he leaves is if Dolan has either made his job difficult/impossible, or if he's just not physically up to the rigors of the job.
Overall the Knicks are in a much better place now  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2016 4:05 pm : link
than they were when Phil got here, so that's most important. We all know the clock's ticking on Phil, which has always been a cause for concern, especially now that he's whiffed on his first head coaching hire and appears to be looking for another triangle stooge at the expense of other, better candidates. I don't want Phil to choose Brian Shaw over Thibodeau and then hightail it back to LA six months later.
I think the overreaction has been ridiculous.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2016 4:16 pm : link
If they had a PG, they'd go from "trainwreck" to playoff team rather quickly.
They played beyond expectations  
RetroJint : 2/12/2016 4:16 pm : link
& even a loss like the one at San Antonio inspired playoff dreaming by their fans. Affalo ran a torrid shooting streak. Teague might be coming . Then what happened was reality set in for them. 35 wins would be acceptable for Jackson & his Knicks. The team seems to be close knit. They accept their roles. Fisher paid a price for inflating those expectations.
Derek Fisher did *not* get fired because fans had higher expectations  
jcn56 : 2/12/2016 4:21 pm : link
based on a short run. Jackson's not going to fire his hand picked coach because people were expecting a bit more based on half a season. Let's not be silly now.
"If the Knicks had a point guard" has been a common refrain  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2016 4:22 pm : link
among fans for 30 years. It's always held the team back. Until proven otherwise I have no faith in them landing a good one anytime soon.
RE: I think the overreaction has been ridiculous.  
dust_bowl : 2/12/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12812760 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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If they had a PG, they'd go from "trainwreck" to playoff team rather quickly.
this is correct. They need a pg desperately.
Such a fucking drama queen  
Deej : 2/12/2016 4:40 pm : link
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SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12812772 bceagle05 said:
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among fans for 30 years. It's always held the team back. Until proven otherwise I have no faith in them landing a good one anytime soon.


This time the opportunity has to be sufficient enough. I mean there aren't 4 stars to choose from out there but there has to be an ability to upgrade this time. I also assume we would try to buy a 1st round pick, no? Try to get one there maybe?
ANyway  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 5:50 pm : link
its good to see other people notice the weird as hell drama around the team. It doesn;t make a lot of sens.e
nothing a few wins won't cure  
Vanzetti : 2/12/2016 5:58 pm : link
but they do have to tinker with the starting lineup. You can't keep falling behind by 15 points in he first 10 minutes.

Porzingas looks really out of place at the beginning of games. I'd bring him off the bench at the 10 minute mark. Add some scoring punch to the second unit.

Then play the second half like normal. If it doesn't work, then do something else. But Lopez and KP get in each other's way offensively. I think you need more ball handlers to start the game, especially when playing quicker teams.
RE: what is this rumor  
Canton : 2/12/2016 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12812702 SethFromAstoria said:
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about Phil Jackson leaving?

When the hell has that even slightly become a thing?


He's not leaving. He doesn't have an opt-out until next season.

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He doesn’t have an opt-out, he’s totally committed to the Knicks and he won’t be working for the Lakers this summer,’’ the person said. “And he’s totally committed to his new coach Kurt and he’ll work very well with him.’’


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Phil Jackson is contractually obligated to conduct the Knicks’ coaching search this summer, and any scenario under which he can bolt for the Lakers after the season was branded ridiculous by a person close to the Zen Master.

There has been speculation since last June that Jackson’s contract opt-out is for this summer. But the Knicks team president has no opt-out this summer, as has been reported. He doesn’t have one until after next season, though the Knicks believe he may finish the five-year contract.



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Until after next season*  
Canton : 2/12/2016 6:05 pm : link
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The drama may be tiresome  
bigbluehoya : 2/12/2016 6:11 pm : link
But I don't think it's weird.

I also want Phil to stay, but it does bug the hell out of me that Thibs doesn't even seem to be a borderline consideration in Phil's mind. I consider the guy to be an excellent coach and he's as plugged in to the star players as any coach can be given his current role with Team USA. Coaches like that don't become available too often.

In any case, I don't think it's inconsistent to be really disappointed in the current short term stretch while still feeling confident that the long terms slope of the team is looking upward.

A few sprinkles of New York media makes it all sound a little dramatic.

As a side note, I have been surprised by how negative Boomer and Carton have been on Phil for over a year now. This was never a 1 year project and I don't see what turned them sour so quickly, not that it matters what they think.
He does NOT have an opt out  
Headhunter : 2/12/2016 6:11 pm : link
That is typical Frank Isola shit stirring. He does have an opt out the following year
I think he does have some leverage though  
bigbluehoya : 2/12/2016 6:15 pm : link
If he tells them, "I'm exercising that option when it comes up, so you may want to cut me loose now".

In that case I think it's be in the best interest of the organization to let him go and go after Thibs + a new GM.
Having said that  
bigbluehoya : 2/12/2016 6:16 pm : link
I am not in the camp (yet) of people who think he really has his sights set on leaving.

My above post was simply an "if that were the case..."
Thibs has a rep of running down his players.  
Ira : 2/12/2016 6:34 pm : link
I wouldn't mind him as an asst coach, but I wouldn't put him in charge of a team as a head coach.
Thibs would be awful for KP  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2016 8:19 pm : link
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Porzingis time  
Anakim : 2/12/2016 9:09 pm : link
USA vs. the World
Zingis got a nice ovation  
Anakim : 2/12/2016 9:12 pm : link
A tiny bit of boos
Well this game is a waste of time  
Anakim : 2/12/2016 9:20 pm : link
They're not even trying
If I'm a Knicks fan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2016 11:06 pm : link
I grab that KP jersey
RE: The drama may be tiresome  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 11:31 pm : link
In comment 12812921 bigbluehoya said:
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But I don't think it's weird.

I also want Phil to stay, but it does bug the hell out of me that Thibs doesn't even seem to be a borderline consideration in Phil's mind. I consider the guy to be an excellent coach and he's as plugged in to the star players as any coach can be given his current role with Team USA. Coaches like that don't become available too often.

In any case, I don't think it's inconsistent to be really disappointed in the current short term stretch while still feeling confident that the long terms slope of the team is looking upward.

A few sprinkles of New York media makes it all sound a little dramatic.

As a side note, I have been surprised by how negative Boomer and Carton have been on Phil for over a year now. This was never a 1 year project and I don't see what turned them sour so quickly, not that it matters what they think.


Negative would be a little bit of an understatement. I listen to them often recently because i'm up and Mike and Mike bore me so I often prefer having rage and disgust to boredom. Helps hold interest. First, they spend April to July literally beginning every show with a 10 minute discussion about why the Mets are an embarrassment to NYC and they would get way personal and way intense in their criticism. They would play clips of Terry Collins interiews from the night before and Carton would just mock the guy like he's some piece of shit with no clue and a joke manager. Of course sadly this appealed to a lot of Met fans but thet were absolutely brutal towards that franchise. Boomer said Murphy shouldn't go see his wife and the whole pregnancy/paternityt leave thing...

Then something weird happened....The Mets were good. And they said the opposite things. Shamelessly defending the team and the very people they openly insulted daily. THen Murphy had his postseason so it because daily harsh and angry diatribes about how the Mets cannot let this special player leave. They are cheap etc...Boomer said the Mets must sign Murphy or its a spit in every fan's face. And Cespedes is lazy etc so they can';t sign him. Meanwhile Carton did the sane thing minus the Cespedes worries. They just conveniently ignore their bullshit opinions and antagonism. That's their gig.


Same thing with the Knicks. The way they have been talking about Phil Jackson and the Knicks is insane. THey are fucking awful. Boomer and his passionate rants against Phil are just pathetic. The whole franchise in shambles thing is amazing. Listen to this shit:



Yay Knicks


Start At 8 Minutes



hang on now....

Dopes

Full on beating
Didn't meant to take you to  
bigbluehoya : 2/12/2016 11:41 pm : link
Your B&C unhappy place.

I'm a listener out of habit. I think Mike & Mike do an excellent job, but I need my morning sports to be NY-centric

When Kim Jones and Chris Simms were in for B&C over the holidays, I thought it was great. So much more actual content.


RE: Didn't meant to take you to  
SethFromAstoria : 2/12/2016 11:48 pm : link
In comment 12813239 bigbluehoya said:
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Your B&C unhappy place.

I'm a listener out of habit. I think Mike & Mike do an excellent job, but I need my morning sports to be NY-centric

When Kim Jones and Chris Simms were in for B&C over the holidays, I thought it was great. So much more actual content.



It wont be believed but I genuinely listen because when they dont do this crap, they are not bad. Boomer roots for the Rangers and Mets, so he has some knowledge about those teams, he knows about football so when its not jealousy towards Eli , he is good and not a Giants despising asshole like his partner. And in general they have a clue when they want to.

But then they do their dumb routine to get people talking and I don't get pissed as much at what they say, so much as that I know it will lead to the topic being discussed for hours and even the day sometimes.

I just need to turn off the radio but its just been a hobby so long now.
Agree with the OP  
djm : 2/14/2016 10:55 am : link
The meltdown commentary the last few weeks is way over the top. Wfan is all but unlistenable lately.

The Knicks will probably finish with 35 wins or so maybe more hopefully. The Fisher experiment was a failure and yes it's disappointing but this isn't some franchise altering setback like some insist on parroting.
RE: Agree with the OP  
SethFromAstoria : 2/14/2016 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12814411 djm said:
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The meltdown commentary the last few weeks is way over the top. Wfan is all but unlistenable lately.

The Knicks will probably finish with 35 wins or so maybe more hopefully. The Fisher experiment was a failure and yes it's disappointing but this isn't some franchise altering setback like some insist on parroting.


The point about sports being in that weird time between football and baseball, and during the middle hazy period of hockey and basketball, so therefore there is just talk about nonsense and made up crap because there is nothing else to discuss is on point.

That made a lot of sense to me when i read that. I hadn't thought about the time of year and how the media struggles to find stories. But as Ive said before it bothers me a lot how much the local teams could possibly be affected by made up rumors and stories that are nonsense. People can get pissed or whatever....I don't like the idea that the Knicks get so much undue negative press when they actually should be getting positive press because of how much better they look. Its amazing how people can't just wait for the process to play out for even a month without going nuts. They get to 22-22 and everyone is rightly happy with that. Suddenly they are a disappointment and Melo sucks and is getting traded? FUck that. He's been great and the team is much better.

All the media. Always the problem. In my opinion they are the main reason why teams in NYC are so up and down sometimes.
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