possible this is not just some substance he doesnt realize is bad? How can someone be a level of dumb that would have you in a state of vegetable?
Seth, somehow I doubt he mistakenly took horse steroids . Equipoise, also known as Boldenone Undecylenate or EQ, is a veterinarian steroid developed by CIBA, to be a form of long-acting injectable dianabol. The intended use was in the horse and cattle industry. In general, EQ comes in an oil suspension that can be injected into animals every 6 weeks. There are no legitimate version of boldenone undecylenate approved by any government anywhere in the world for human use. All of the Equipoise on the market is either from approved veterinarian labs or made in an underground laboratories meant for the black market. Even though it is meant as veterinarian steroid, boldenone is quite powerful when used by humans.
twice you would think you keep your nose clean from then on. He can still earn money by pitching internationally elsewhere but yeah lost his chance to earn money in the best baseball league in the world
himself a career and millions. Even if the truth was he truly SUCKED without them, the Mets would have been on the hook for roughly 1 million once he returned. Let's say he pocketed that million but looked bad.... he STILL likely finds a deal at minimum next year. He cost himself millions. Moron.
He's gonna be throwing pitches in some mexican league hellhole
to actually get these substances and use them, how could you not understand the level of dumb you have to be to give up a life like he could have. With friends advising you and everything,
Has to always lead back to some kind of mental illness in my opinion. No one is so out of it that they do this rationally
if this had happened 1 week earlier. I'd imagine they wouldn't have gone multi-year for him under any circumstance, but now there's a pretty good amount of pressure on Reed & Robles. I was always a little surprised they tendered Reed in the first place and without Mejia I kind of wish they'd have spent that $ on Clippard. I know he's hardly pitched in the last 12 months but I still trusted Mejia the most out of those 4 righties so this really stings.
After listening to Shecky's remarks about how he works incredibly hard and LOVES being a Met this is really shocking. Could have been a nice late season edition. Fuck him. Wow.
After listening to Shecky's remarks about how he works incredibly hard and LOVES being a Met this is really shocking. Could have been a nice late season edition. Fuck him. Wow.
That said, Clippard still sucks. Lol
He does work hard.
a) he works hard at taking substances
b) he works hard because of substances.
Clippard not coming back sucks. Hopefully will not pay for that one
This one almost has to be a mistake right? Like something he didn't know was illegal and MLB has been watching him like a hawk testing him constantly? Aderol or something?? How could anyone purposely put a steroid in their body a third time after what happened last year unless they had some kind of mental disability? This is unbelievable.
Oh well. One extra spot late in the year for a Smoker type or outside addition assuming we even need it.
I said we can depend on Mejia? Lol. Go fuck yourself.
Now Now, do you want to go search the archives?
Go for it douche. Show me where I said the Mets can and are depending on Mejia? Lol. Being cautiously optimistic he might have learned his lesson and be a intriguing late season addition is a far cry from saying the 2016 Mets can depend on Mejia when he was already suspended for 4 months? GTFO with that shit. Makes zero sense. Mejia always had talent. Two bad he apparently has some sort of brain damage apparently.
Meisner was barely a top
ZGiants98 : 1/20/2016 12:04 am : link
20 prospect last year. Yes he was an interesting young arm but you don't think twice about trading a 18-25 prospect in the heat of a pennant race for a guy who was a good closer on his team. I agree Mejia let us down but the Mefs believe in him and I think he's goiing to have learned his lesson this year.
And that's just it though. You can't build the perfect team. The bullpen is especially volatile. For all we know a guy like Bastardo sucks or an O Day gets injured or a Bastardo gets busted for PEDs. Who the hell knows? It's how you react and adjust over a long season that matters.
I mean, sort of. But not really. They would have been without him this season anyway, and did just fine without him last season. Would he have been a nice addition to the pen? Of course, but it's not the end of the world.
Meisner was barely a top
ZGiants98 : 1/20/2016 12:04 am : link
20 prospect last year. Yes he was an interesting young arm but you don't think twice about trading a 18-25 prospect in the heat of a pennant race for a guy who was a good closer on his team. I agree Mejia let us down but the Mefs believe in him and I think he's goiing to have learned his lesson this year.
And that's just it though. You can't build the perfect team. The bullpen is especially volatile. For all we know a guy like Bastardo sucks or an O Day gets injured or a Bastardo gets busted for PEDs. Who the hell knows? It's how you react and adjust over a long season that matters.
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Thanks for backing me up Deej. Exactly what I said. Thinking he may have learned his lesson is a FAR cry from saying the Mets are depending on Mejia in 2016.
Twice wouldn't learn their lesson? Even A-Rod and Braun apparently learned. A third time in less than a year total has to be one of the most shockingly dumb sports stories in its history.
I mean, sort of. But not really. They would have been without him this season anyway, and did just fine without him last season. Would he have been a nice addition to the pen? Of course, but it's not the end of the world.
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Hctor Gmez @hgomez27 16m16 minutes ago View translation
Jenrry Meja: "No es como ellos (MLB) dicen. Estoy seguro que no us nada (esteroides)".
@z101digital @ZDeportes
Translated from Spanish by Bing
Jenrry Mejia: "it's not like they (MLB) say. I am sure that I did not use anything (steroids) "
Think the steroid discussion needs to highlight the addiction that is involved. This is a clear case IMO. He has tested positive twice while banned and knowing he was going to be tested. The masses do not understand that the body grows dependent on things like steroids and that stopping is not so easy and I do not think the athletic leagues do enough to highlight this point.
They talk about the unfairness of the drug as opposed to the dangers of it. Roid rage is a real thing. Google roid rage murders and you could spend weeks going through all the cases.
Now this doesn't mean everyone who takes it is addicted, as some can control it better than others. I just wish the league would take this opportunity to highlight the addiction associated with the use of steroids.
I thought of this story when I heard Meijia was caught again. I had a substance abuse problem in high school that sent me to rehab. After prom weekend, I tested positive. I claimed it was a false positive and my excuse was that I had been told I would be tested when I got home on Monday so why would I use anything knowing I would get caught??
The counselor told me "Bullshit. You used. You either didn't care you would get caught or you couldn't stop yourself from using despite caring you would get caught. Either way, you have a serious problem"
two different roles. I wouldn't compare the two, and I was in on Bastardo way back
On no planet was Clippard
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a quality reliever in 2015. He was trash. And he contributed to us losing the WS.
Carlos Torres was better than Clippard last year. Actually twice as good. Fact.
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I have no idea if you are joking, lying to get a reaction, confused, not sure if you're looking at the correct season.....
None of this is true. So am I the dummy for not realizing you were being a dummy on purpose?
Not only was he faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better in every single way, he also was the most major factor in the pen that changed and allowed the Mets to win the division with a setup man and closer. Clippard rescued us from the astonishing level of stupid by Mejia and gave up 1 run in a whole month of relief.
SO you were joking right? If not, give me ONE thing.
"All the years Met fans takin digs at A-Rod and Giambi and all that....I love the fact that the first guy to get banned is a Met"
So I heard somewhere Met fans are obsessive over the Yankees. Then I saw the Yankee fans during the WOrld Series. THen I heard Giants/Yankee fans either defend or stay quiet when they traded for the baseball Greg Hardy. Now I just heard a dude wait on hold so he could speak to WFAN and say that he is happy that after the "years of Met fans taking digs at guys like Giambi and A-Rod" the Mets have the first banned guy.
Is shit falling apart up there in the South Boogie DOwn? You guys ok? Usually I can figure out when we get to hear from the Yankee fans but I couldn't imagine anyone would think of this one. Glad the first banned guy (a 20 something year old multiple time banned idiot) is a Met.
Keep wondering why people enjoy the Yankee fan sometimes. It's phenomenal sometimes.
Oh and congrats Yankee fans on Jenry Mejia being banned. And a Met.
You are an abomination. You're taking something that some mouth breather calling in on the radio says and going on one of your 3 paragraph rants about Yankee fans? How long have you been listening to these callers? They are the lowest form of intelligence on the planet. What the flying fuck? I'd ask if you realized how pathetic you come off, but of course you don't. It's who you are. We should set up a debate with you and this particular imbecile. We'll set it up on WFAN, Francesa can host it. Or maybe we'll recruit Howard Stern. Make it the first day of spring training.
Seth the Abomination
Vs.
Window Licking Yankee fan
While debating the issues, if one of the contestants has a drop of drool hit the table, they are immediately disqualified and the other contestant automatically wins. What do you think?
Thanks for sharing. I hope your doing fine now. Mejia clearly has some issues as he was taking some strong steroids. You would rather risk sucking and collecting money before doing something like that. He's not just banned from mlb but pretty any professional baseball league out there. hiepdully Mejia finds the help he needs.
Bastardo was strictly the 8th inning setup man for the Pirates last year(one of the best teams in baseball). It's about an apples to apples comparison as you can get. He was better than Clippard by every metric in 2015.
You want to talk illustrious careers or back in the day I have no problem with it but Clippard was not good last year. Dan and I and others pointed out that his K/9, BB/9, ect were all going in the wrong direction back in July well before he imploded.
Look, I liked the move even still but it didn't work out. He sucked. Maybe he bounces back but I'm glad we moved on.
Thanks for sharing. I hope your doing fine now. Mejia clearly has some issues as he was taking some strong steroids. You would rather risk sucking and collecting money before doing something like that. He's not just banned from mlb but pretty any professional baseball league out there. hiepdully Mejia finds the help he needs.
Thanks Sshin. I have been sober for 6 years and doing very well. It took another six years but I finally got it.
I am hoping that MLB, despite the suspension, will put him in a program. I also think that MLB needs to stop discussing the unfair advantage steroids give to players and highlight the dangers of it, the addiction associated with using them and the long term effects of the drug. That is the real deterrent.
When kids hear unfair advantage, that is what they are seeking. if they heard addiction and roid rage and long term effects more often, maybe they would think twice before using. This would be a perfect time to really hammer home the problem with using steroids. But they won't because it could further tarnish the image of the league if more scandals break.
You are an abomination. You're taking something that some mouth breather calling in on the radio says and going on one of your 3 paragraph rants about Yankee fans? How long have you been listening to these callers? They are the lowest form of intelligence on the planet. What the flying fuck? I'd ask if you realized how pathetic you come off, but of course you don't. It's who you are. We should set up a debate with you and this particular imbecile. We'll set it up on WFAN, Francesa can host it. Or maybe we'll recruit Howard Stern. Make it the first day of spring training.
Seth the Abomination
Vs.
Window Licking Yankee fan
While debating the issues, if one of the contestants has a drop of drool hit the table, they are immediately disqualified and the other contestant automatically wins. What do you think?
They're not dumb. They know the risk. Obviously the risk was worth it. So, if him and his team were willing to take the lifetime ban risk, you have to wonder what his playing days prospects were. Maybe there was nothing to lose and this was last shot - no pun intended. Plenty of motivations for doping.
im just saying man go look at everything...it's not true...why even argue it?
What's not true? What planet are you on? lol. Do you not know how to read metrics? You seriously think Clippard had a good 2015?? He was barely above replacement level.
Great Q&A with Sany and love the confirmation that Bastardo will be an "inning guy" not a LOOGY. Although most did not expect him to be a specialist when we signed him.
Geezus I love this man and it feels good to be vindicated after defending this guy for years on an island. lol. Link - ( New Window )
Vindicated? Lol, you never miss a chance to throw "I told you so" in everyone's faces. Well, that and I don't exactly think there's anything to feel "vindicated" about. Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted. Because they certainly were.
The mets have built a great team for...next year. That's assuming all the one year deal players work out and then, what, do it all over again next season with more one year deals hoping for everything to work out again? Rinse, repeat. Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about next year. But there is something to be said about building stability in a team instead of having to turn over half the roster every year because the team is allergic to any deal over 3 years.
Not interested in getting into a back and forth all day since we are on different sides of the spectrum on this one. But the "I told you so stuff" in January is pretty childish.
this Mejia scandal. Apparently Baldenone can stay in your system for up to 18 months. WTF? Link - ( New Window )
If this is true then he can't be suspended. How does the brain trust of MLB not know this? If true, seems like an easily winnable case for Mejia. Naturally, I expect MLB to do all the wrong things.
this Mejia scandal. Apparently Baldenone can stay in your system for up to 18 months. WTF? Link - ( New Window )
If this is true then he can't be suspended. How does the brain trust of MLB not know this? If true, seems like an easily winnable case for Mejia. Naturally, I expect MLB to do all the wrong things.
If it is what he was suspended for before, they will have those levels in his system on record. If the level didn't go down (they would likely know the rate it should go down over time) he likely was still using. MLB is not going to get sued on something like PED suspensions.
Clippard pitched in 1 gm last year prior to 8th inning - Bastardo 32
So he is not an apples to apples replacement. The vast majority of Clippard's innings were in the 9th actually (his 19 saves last year were more than Bastardo has in his career). Going forward I would probably take Bastardo over Clippard given their equal salaries, but given the Mejia news I'd have preferred to have both of them. They're the same age and Clippard has been better 4/5 the last 5 years - last year could have just been a down year where he got worn out due to exceptionally high workloads. In terms of $ Addison Reed + Mejia is pretty close to the overall money Clippard got. But we didn't know what we didn't know so life goes on. I think it's likely we're shopping for a setup man again at the deadline, which is fine as long as Familia doesn't have to get overused in the interim.
And LOL at the "vindicated" comment. Sandy has a track record of being one of the best GM's in baseball and his hiring was universally praised. Every trade he made was universally praised. The farm system and pitching talent was ranked at the top of baseball. A book was published touting his triumph turning the franchise around despite the team never having won 80 games during his tenure. Talk about delusional hyperbole.
Geezus I love this man and it feels good to be vindicated after defending this guy for years on an island. lol. Link - ( New Window )
Vindicated? Lol, you never miss a chance to throw "I told you so" in everyone's faces. Well, that and I don't exactly think there's anything to feel "vindicated" about. Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted. Because they certainly were.
The mets have built a great team for...next year. That's assuming all the one year deal players work out and then, what, do it all over again next season with more one year deals hoping for everything to work out again? Rinse, repeat. Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about next year. But there is something to be said about building stability in a team instead of having to turn over half the roster every year because the team is allergic to any deal over 3 years.
Not interested in getting into a back and forth all day since we are on different sides of the spectrum on this one. But the "I told you so stuff" in January is pretty childish.
God you are such a stupid fucking asshole sometimes. First of all, I said it playfully but you never miss a chance to be the resident assclown. Must be particularly difficult for you considering what a pessimistic dickhead you have been over the last few years. We got lucky last year? Are you fucking serious? Beating the Dodgers and making the 97 win Cubs look like fools was luck??? The Mets are the reigning NL champs and are as good as any team in baseball. Period. And one year contracts? Lol. Like long term deals are better than short term deals? Haha. The hilarious part is 95% of our roster is under team control for years. But yeah... Sucks we aren't locked into Coln, De Aza, Cabrera, and Walker for all of eternity. Never fail to miss a chance to complain about something though, do you? Bravo.
RE: Clippard pitched in 1 gm last year prior to 8th inning - Bastardo 32
So he is not an apples to apples replacement. The vast majority of Clippard's innings were in the 9th actually (his 19 saves last year were more than Bastardo has in his career). Going forward I would probably take Bastardo over Clippard given their equal salaries, but given the Mejia news I'd have preferred to have both of them. They're the same age and Clippard has been better 4/5 the last 5 years - last year could have just been a down year where he got worn out due to exceptionally high workloads. In terms of $ Addison Reed + Mejia is pretty close to the overall money Clippard got. But we didn't know what we didn't know so life goes on. I think it's likely we're shopping for a setup man again at the deadline, which is fine as long as Familia doesn't have to get overused in the interim.
And LOL at the "vindicated" comment. Sandy has a track record of being one of the best GM's in baseball and his hiring was universally praised. Every trade he made was universally praised. The farm system and pitching talent was ranked at the top of baseball. A book was published touting his triumph turning the franchise around despite the team never having won 80 games during his tenure. Talk about delusional hyperbole.
People trashed Sandy up and down. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone here is dillusional it's you. Oh and Clippard still sucks. Happy Valentines sweetie.
You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
I apologize. Im out of line. You just really piss me off sometimes. lol. It amazes me how you're even a Mets fan with comments like" the Mets got lucky last year".
This team was built from the ground up and even a blind squirrel could have seen what was building here years ago. The Mets are now getting national recognition as the gold standard on "how to build a team".
Jones, the former Brave and future Hall of Famer, praised the defending National League champion Mets during a Tuesday appearance on SiriusXM's MLB Network Radio channel. It started when he was asked if solidifying the rotation is the best way to recharge a club like Atlanta.
Thats where I would start, said Jones, now a special assistant with his old team. I think the blueprint is kind of what the New York Mets are doing right now. Obviously, its hard to come up with three or four guns like the Mets have, whether its (Matt) Harvey, (Jacob) deGrom, (Zack) Wheeler coming back, (Noah) Syndergaard, the lefty Matz.
Theyve got a whole entire rotation that lives at 94-95 (mph) and has an idea of what theyre doing with their breaking stuff.
Theyre really setting the bar and theyre my early-season pick to probably go all the way.
I guess in your world this all shockingly happened out of nowhere and its "still just luck".
You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
Lol, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that embarrasses myself here on a daily basis. I Share the same frame of mind about this team as most of the other rational fans here. Focus on the word "rational" since we know it's a foreign concept to you. Also, please leave Shecky out of it. Disagreeing with someone isn't "attacking" them. I don't get into it with him because he can actually hold an adult conversation without reverting to a profanity-laced temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him. If you want an example of attacking, see refer to your first post to me.
I disappear for weeks because you and another ruin these threads whenever somebody has a differing opinion. It's like clockwork. Like I said, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that is mocked throughout this site for how I act. That would be you. Grow up. Or get help. Either one will do.
You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
Lol, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that embarrasses myself here on a daily basis. I Share the same frame of mind about this team as most of the other rational fans here. Focus on the word "rational" since we know it's a foreign concept to you. Also, please leave Shecky out of it. Disagreeing with someone isn't "attacking" them. I don't get into it with him because he can actually hold an adult conversation without reverting to a profanity-laced temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him. If you want an example of attacking, see refer to your first post to me.
I disappear for weeks because you and another ruin these threads whenever somebody has a differing opinion. It's like clockwork. Like I said, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that is mocked throughout this site for how I act. That would be you. Grow up. Or get help. Either one will do.
Oh really. Who attacked who first? Seems like clockwork that you are the one jumping all over me every moment you can. Everyone knows I was off an an island here for years preaching that "Sandy's plan would come together and we were finally building something sustainable. There were a few others that may have appreciated what Sandy was doing but the vast majority shit all over him and the Mets in general for years here. You still do with regularity. I took a ton of abuse here for years and you know it. Yeah I jokingly said it feels good to be vindicated mainly because I was so impressed with that interview by Sandy. Sorry that offended you so much.
Sandy mentioned moving Flores off SS due to the acquisition on Cabrera "the downside of the move" meaning to me they might still like him there at times and in the least are still very high on him.
Also of note, Sandy brought up Cabrera and Walker first when asked about candidates who would spell Wright when he is getting his normal rest. So maybe Walker or Cabrera play 3rd and Flores goes back to SS or 2B?
Oh really. Who attacked who first? Seems like clockwork that you are the one jumping all over me every moment you can. Everyone knows I was off an an island here for years preaching that "Sandy's plan would come together and we were finally building something sustainable. There were a few others that may have appreciated what Sandy was doing but the vast majority shit all over him and the Mets in general for years here. You still do with regularity. I took a ton of abuse here for years and you know it. Yeah I jokingly said it feels good to be vindicated mainly because I was so impressed with that interview by Sandy. Sorry that offended you so much.
Well, when you have such an extreme approach as the one you take, you have to expect to get differing opinions. I'm hardly the only one. I won't post much because of stuff just like this but I read every single thread. Again, I'm hardly the only one.
Yeah, you "playfully" like to throw it in people's faces all the time. Even though you say that you don't do it. But you do. A lot.
Maybe I should have clarified, yes I thought they were lucky to even get to the playoffs last year. For many reasons. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't in Sandy's grand plan for the Gomez deal to fall through, the Bruce deal the fall through, only to settle for a last minute Cespedes deal where he had an unsustainable historic month, for the Nats to implode, and only win 90 games in the weakest division in MLB. Yeah, I think luck played a part in getting there. Doesn't mean I don't think it's a good team set up for the future. That's me just being realistic about last season. I'm perfectly capable of seeing multiple sides of a story. That's called a "grownup" perspective.
Funny thing is, when I wrote that first post I thought to myself, "I know what I'm writing isn't that bad but I fully expect to be torn to shreds by Zgiants." Thanks for coming through. God forbid you have an adult conversation without going mental.
Yeah the Gomez deal fell through and the Bruce deal fell through? Oh really?? Thats funny. I seem to remember that SANDY squashed the Gomez deal because he didn't like the medicals. He didn't get lucky. He is THE REASON WE WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. And what Bruce deal? The Reds told Sandy what they wanted for Bruce and Sandy kept shopping in spite of it. In other words, he was looking for a better deal, like AKA Cespdes. How is that luck? That is differentiating between players and going with the one you like more.... like you know YO.
Sandy was hedging his bets and had fall back option. If Cespedes didn't work he likely could have called the Reds last minute and still made a deal for Bruce.
Same thing happened with the Walker deal. When Zobrist signed it was clear Sandy already had a VERY GOOD fall back option in Walker ready to go.
The guy is one of the best GMs in baseball. We owe him everything.
I pray to God this guy can defeat cancer and keep going strong.
There you go again with your "Zg-logic" and exaggerations
Where did I ever say it was "all luck" as you mention? Oh yeah, I didn't.
And who cares why the deals didn't happen...the fact is they didn't happen, hence, fell through. Pretty simple, not sure where you are going with this. You can believe whatever excuse Sandy wants the fans to believe. Doesn't change the fact that Ces was his last option.
But whatever. There's no such thing as a two-way conversation with you, so carry on with whatever you want to believe.
Where did I ever say it was "all luck" as you mention? Oh yeah, I didn't.
And who cares why the deals didn't happen...the fact is they didn't happen, hence, fell through. Pretty simple, not sure where you are going with this. You can believe whatever excuse Sandy wants the fans to believe. Doesn't change the fact that Ces was his last option.
But whatever. There's no such thing as a two-way conversation with you, so carry on with whatever you want to believe.
LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
I already said I was out of line earlier. I apologize.
Lets move on. To me this is the best Mets team on paper in its history. Yes... history. This isn't the time to be arguing and pissed off at each other. We are approaching a golden era of Mets baseball and we should all be excited and looking forward to it.
No need to re-hash the past. Ill try to do better not to bring up prior views, ect going forward.
The Reds backed out of a Jay Bruce-for-Zack Wheeler swap, a source tells Heyman, with a second source telling him that Cincinnati simply got cold feet when it came to dealing Bruce. He also spoke to a number of executives who expressed disbelief that neither team was more active at the deadline.
-ring the Jay Bruce talks may have lost momentum. #Reds having second thoughts about #Mets trade package.
Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) July 31, 2015
Ken Rosenthal ✔ @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Mets worked into night on trade for #Reds Bruce. Expectation among many in industry is that deal will happen.
Noble- According to the Mets, the Reds were prepared to take right-hander Zack Wheeler for Bruce, then called off the deal, then asked for more.
Wheeler, 25, underwent Tommy John surgery in March and cant pitch until next June or July 2016. He is 18-16 in two seasons with the Mets. At least he would have worked cheap: Wheeler is making $546,250 and he's not eligible for arbitration until 2017 or free agency until 2020.
I do believe the Reds squashed the initial Wheeler swap but it seems to me once the Reds started asking for more, Sandy decided to keep shopping.
I seem to remember conversations afterword implying Sandy knew what the parameters of a Bruce deal would look like if he felt he needed to go down the road.
I really don't want to argue about this all day though. Sandy got Cespdes and thats all that matters. He got him again this year. Unless one of us were sitting in the room with him there is zero chance anybody knows exactly what the conversations looked like.
just saying it's been reported by multiple "top" writers that the Mets wanted the Bruce/Wheeler deal to happen and the Reds killed it aka there was some "luck" to that one. If the Reds don't kill it we don't add Cespedes and we don't sign him now. The Reds owner reportedly was personally involved in the trade talks on that one.
I think the Mets were looking at multiple options the entire time they
The Mets are making an effort to acquire outfielder Jay Bruce from the rebuilding Reds, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter link), though he adds that theyre also still exploring other options. The report comes on the heels of word from ESPNs Buster Olney that the Reds would be open to a Bruce-for-Zack Wheeler swap. Andy Martino of the New York Daily News tweets that the current feeling he gets is that New York could pick up Bruce in exchange for Wheeler and another piece. Rosenthal adds to his tweet above that Wheeler would likely be in a deal for Bruce.
Wheeler for Bruce deal apparently was all but done and then the owner said he wanted more for a "fan favorite" and they asked for Dilson Herrera or Michael Fulmer added to the deal. You will notice that the Reds ended up with far less on Frazier and Chapman than many expected because they had such high/unrealistic asks at the deadline. Same with Bruce. Terrible job by a generally excellent GM.
when they asked for "more" Sandy still had the balls to turn him down under extreme pressure to make a deal in light of the Gomez let down. I still credit Sandy for standing his ground and not caving and waiting for a better deal which ultimately ended up being Cespedes.
LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
Yeah, I said that they got lucky last season. You read into it exactly they way you WANTED to read it in your own demented way. And then go into a fit of Tourette's.
I couldn't give two shits if you believe my "clarification." That's your problem, not mine.
Lol, at my pissing and moaning in Aug/Sept. You really have a warped sense of reality. While you were sliding down that rainbow proclaiming that we already won the division on August 1st, I (among) others realized how moronic such a proclamation is on Aug 1 and simple took the approach of "it's not over until it's over." But God forbid your mental feebleness could take such an unrealistic point of view. And just incase that flew over your head...that was sarcasm.
Are you going to tell me that the Mets weren't playing over their heads in August? Please please please tell me you aren't at that level of stupid.
Oh, so now you agree that there is some level of luck with what the Mets did last season. Of course you will down play your "luck" view by using the ole "every team has some element of luck" bullshit. But you can take my one liner and read into it just the way you want to.
Man, you have had some head scratchers during your time here but you really love to play the role of the dribbling idiot. You are the one that has been repeatedly called out with your bullshit remarks and backtracking (and I mean actual posts from the past where you contradict yourself) but the fact that you just keep digging that hole is an amazing feat. You are a lost soul and I hope you find God.
LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
Yeah, I said that they got lucky last season. You read into it exactly they way you WANTED to read it in your own demented way. And then go into a fit of Tourette's.
I couldn't give two shits if you believe my "clarification." That's your problem, not mine.
Lol, at my pissing and moaning in Aug/Sept. You really have a warped sense of reality. While you were sliding down that rainbow proclaiming that we already won the division on August 1st, I (among) others realized how moronic such a proclamation is on Aug 1 and simple took the approach of "it's not over until it's over." But God forbid your mental feebleness could take such an unrealistic point of view. And just incase that flew over your head...that was sarcasm.
Are you going to tell me that the Mets weren't playing over their heads in August? Please please please tell me you aren't at that level of stupid.
Oh, so now you agree that there is some level of luck with what the Mets did last season. Of course you will down play your "luck" view by using the ole "every team has some element of luck" bullshit. But you can take my one liner and read into it just the way you want to.
Man, you have had some head scratchers during your time here but you really love to play the role of the dribbling idiot. You are the one that has been repeatedly called out with your bullshit remarks and backtracking (and I mean actual posts from the past where you contradict yourself) but the fact that you just keep digging that hole is an amazing feat. You are a lost soul and I hope you find God.
to believe from November 21st (when Law saw him in person) until now he's suddenly "jacked" vs. sloppy the way Law saw him. Who knows? Lets just hope he comes into camp in shape.
He's apparently been with Barwis the last couple months with Rosario and others...
That picture (which again doesn't show much) was posted 2 weeks ago. So he somehow went from "sloppy" to the point Law harped on it (11/21 was the allstar game) until late January? Possible I guess but I find it hard to believe he's now "jacked". Hopefully he takes this seriously, he's done the Barwis camp previously and still ballooned up.
RE: From where he was at the end of last year (aka a fat slob)
I think he looks a lot better. Still needs to trim down a little more IMO but I think his upper body looks a lot more muscular.
Again, Law saw him in November, he saiod he was the best hitter he saw in the AFL (AND that he was sloppy and out of shape) so he didn't end the season and suddenly get in shape.
"Law added that he believes Smith is a safe bet to be a .300 hitter with 20-homer upside with sparkling defense at first base. However, Law says his upside may only be reached if Smith "keeps his uniform buttons from bursting," as Law points out Smith could be skipping basic conditioning, resulting in sloppy defense in the Arizona Fall League. Smith was the 11th overall pick by the Mets in 2013. He is still just 20 years old."
The guy has had issues not ballooning up in season. Im just saying in these recent barwis shots he looks stronger. I guess its a matter of opinion but to me he does.
Sidenote. Is it bad I can't name everyone in that pic. I got TDA, Flores, Duda, Smith, Rosario, TDA's brother? Like who is the ginger in the bottom right? lol
I think he looks a lot better. Still needs to trim down a little more IMO but I think his upper body looks a lot more muscular.
Again, Law saw him in November, he saiod he was the best hitter he saw in the AFL (AND that he was sloppy and out of shape) so he didn't end the season and suddenly get in shape.
"Law added that he believes Smith is a safe bet to be a .300 hitter with 20-homer upside with sparkling defense at first base. However, Law says his upside may only be reached if Smith "keeps his uniform buttons from bursting," as Law points out Smith could be skipping basic conditioning, resulting in sloppy defense in the Arizona Fall League. Smith was the 11th overall pick by the Mets in 2013. He is still just 20 years old."
Well obviously he wasn't training with Barwis in the AFL in early Novemeber. Supposedly he went down to see Barwis AFTER the AFL season when Law saw him... and yes... I believe in almost 3 months he could have gotten himself in much better shape since then if he was doing what those pictures imply day in and day out. Thats all. You don't think he looks more muscular in those pics? Fine by me. I did.
He credits Barwis for getting him down to 215 and says he feels much more agile and quicker. I think he played at 230+ last year.
Really so happy to have Barwis, Long, and Warthen to be a part of this franchise. For the first time in forever we are seeing real tangible results with players to the credit of all three of them.
First few times I seen him play, he may have been the most unathletic guy I have ever seen run bases and "slide". For such a devoted young kid to get into this kind of shape, I am VERY curious to see him this year!
Problem with Dom Smith is five people could see him in the same day in five different situations. And have completely different impressions of him. The reality is the "fat slob" was labeled on him and others mimic. He is a big kid now. Personally never understood his work ethic being questioned. Not looking to rehash old arguments here though.
this Mejia scandal. Apparently Baldenone can stay in your system for up to 18 months. WTF? Link - ( New Window )
I am not sure how it works for steroids, but for recreational drugs they test levels at laboratories. So someone on probation for testing positive for Weed will have weed in their system for around thirty days. They will always teat positive, but they can tell by the levels of the drug in your system how recently you used. If the levels go up, you used something. If they go down, you did not. I imagine its similar for steroids.
this Mejia scandal. Apparently Baldenone can stay in your system for up to 18 months. WTF? Link - ( New Window )
I am not sure how it works for steroids, but for recreational drugs they test levels at laboratories. So someone on probation for testing positive for Weed will have weed in their system for around thirty days. They will always teat positive, but they can tell by the levels of the drug in your system how recently you used. If the levels go up, you used something. If they go down, you did not. I imagine its similar for steroids.
Eh there's a contingent on MMO saying the opposite. One guy said Baldenone can come up clean in one urine test and then months later show up with high amounts without taking anything else. Who knows.
Jenrry Mejia tests positive for Boldenone, "his third performance-enhancing substance violation," MLB announces.
Adios stupido. Rapidamente.
Seth, somehow I doubt he mistakenly took horse steroids . Equipoise, also known as Boldenone Undecylenate or EQ, is a veterinarian steroid developed by CIBA, to be a form of long-acting injectable dianabol. The intended use was in the horse and cattle industry. In general, EQ comes in an oil suspension that can be injected into animals every 6 weeks. There are no legitimate version of boldenone undecylenate approved by any government anywhere in the world for human use. All of the Equipoise on the market is either from approved veterinarian labs or made in an underground laboratories meant for the black market. Even though it is meant as veterinarian steroid, boldenone is quite powerful when used by humans.
NICE!
Dan I know man...twas just a point.
Wait wait..did anyoe actually SEE the backne though? Maybe it's all conjecture?
Has to always lead back to some kind of mental illness in my opinion. No one is so out of it that they do this rationally
Ugggggggghhhhhhhhh
That said, Clippard still sucks. Lol
That said, Clippard still sucks. Lol
He does work hard.
a) he works hard at taking substances
b) he works hard because of substances.
Clippard not coming back sucks. Hopefully will not pay for that one
Oh well. One extra spot late in the year for a Smoker type or outside addition assuming we even need it.
I said we can depend on Mejia? Lol. Go fuck yourself.
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I said we can depend on Mejia? Lol. Go fuck yourself.
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I said we can depend on Mejia? Lol. Go fuck yourself.
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Go for it douche. Show me where I said the Mets can and are depending on Mejia? Lol. Being cautiously optimistic he might have learned his lesson and be a intriguing late season addition is a far cry from saying the 2016 Mets can depend on Mejia when he was already suspended for 4 months? GTFO with that shit. Makes zero sense. Mejia always had talent. Two bad he apparently has some sort of brain damage apparently.
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20 prospect last year. Yes he was an interesting young arm but you don't think twice about trading a 18-25 prospect in the heat of a pennant race for a guy who was a good closer on his team. I agree Mejia let us down but the Mefs believe in him and I think he's goiing to have learned his lesson this year.
And that's just it though. You can't build the perfect team. The bullpen is especially volatile. For all we know a guy like Bastardo sucks or an O Day gets injured or a Bastardo gets busted for PEDs. Who the hell knows? It's how you react and adjust over a long season that matters.
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I mean, sort of. But not really. They would have been without him this season anyway, and did just fine without him last season. Would he have been a nice addition to the pen? Of course, but it's not the end of the world.
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20 prospect last year. Yes he was an interesting young arm but you don't think twice about trading a 18-25 prospect in the heat of a pennant race for a guy who was a good closer on his team. I agree Mejia let us down but the Mefs believe in him and I think he's goiing to have learned his lesson this year.
And that's just it though. You can't build the perfect team. The bullpen is especially volatile. For all we know a guy like Bastardo sucks or an O Day gets injured or a Bastardo gets busted for PEDs. Who the hell knows? It's how you react and adjust over a long season that matters.
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Thanks for backing me up Deej. Exactly what I said. Thinking he may have learned his lesson is a FAR cry from saying the Mets are depending on Mejia in 2016.
MLB suspensions are honored by affiliated leagues in other countries, such as in Japan, South Korea and Mexico....
So he's essentially banned from the world. lol
He wasn't on the 40.
Carlos Torres was better than Clippard last year. Actually twice as good. Fact.
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I mean, sort of. But not really. They would have been without him this season anyway, and did just fine without him last season. Would he have been a nice addition to the pen? Of course, but it's not the end of the world.
it was just a horse steroid joke.
Luckily he isn't their closer
Hctor Gmez @hgomez27 16m16 minutes ago View translation
Jenrry Meja: "No es como ellos (MLB) dicen. Estoy seguro que no us nada (esteroides)".
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Jenrry Mejia: "it's not like they (MLB) say. I am sure that I did not use anything (steroids) "
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If the Mets need a closer Atlanta would surely love to get some more prospects added to their system.
Luckily he isn't their closer
I know that I meant reliever my bad.
They talk about the unfairness of the drug as opposed to the dangers of it. Roid rage is a real thing. Google roid rage murders and you could spend weeks going through all the cases.
Now this doesn't mean everyone who takes it is addicted, as some can control it better than others. I just wish the league would take this opportunity to highlight the addiction associated with the use of steroids.
I thought of this story when I heard Meijia was caught again. I had a substance abuse problem in high school that sent me to rehab. After prom weekend, I tested positive. I claimed it was a false positive and my excuse was that I had been told I would be tested when I got home on Monday so why would I use anything knowing I would get caught??
The counselor told me "Bullshit. You used. You either didn't care you would get caught or you couldn't stop yourself from using despite caring you would get caught. Either way, you have a serious problem"
two different roles. I wouldn't compare the two, and I was in on Bastardo way back
On no planet was Clippard
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a quality reliever in 2015. He was trash. And he contributed to us losing the WS.
Carlos Torres was better than Clippard last year. Actually twice as good. Fact.
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I have no idea if you are joking, lying to get a reaction, confused, not sure if you're looking at the correct season.....
None of this is true. So am I the dummy for not realizing you were being a dummy on purpose?
Not only was he faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better in every single way, he also was the most major factor in the pen that changed and allowed the Mets to win the division with a setup man and closer. Clippard rescued us from the astonishing level of stupid by Mejia and gave up 1 run in a whole month of relief.
SO you were joking right? If not, give me ONE thing.
"All the years Met fans takin digs at A-Rod and Giambi and all that....I love the fact that the first guy to get banned is a Met"
So I heard somewhere Met fans are obsessive over the Yankees. Then I saw the Yankee fans during the WOrld Series. THen I heard Giants/Yankee fans either defend or stay quiet when they traded for the baseball Greg Hardy. Now I just heard a dude wait on hold so he could speak to WFAN and say that he is happy that after the "years of Met fans taking digs at guys like Giambi and A-Rod" the Mets have the first banned guy.
Is shit falling apart up there in the South Boogie DOwn? You guys ok? Usually I can figure out when we get to hear from the Yankee fans but I couldn't imagine anyone would think of this one. Glad the first banned guy (a 20 something year old multiple time banned idiot) is a Met.
Keep wondering why people enjoy the Yankee fan sometimes. It's phenomenal sometimes.
Oh and congrats Yankee fans on Jenry Mejia being banned. And a Met.
Seth the Abomination
Vs.
Window Licking Yankee fan
While debating the issues, if one of the contestants has a drop of drool hit the table, they are immediately disqualified and the other contestant automatically wins. What do you think?
You want to talk illustrious careers or back in the day I have no problem with it but Clippard was not good last year. Dan and I and others pointed out that his K/9, BB/9, ect were all going in the wrong direction back in July well before he imploded.
Look, I liked the move even still but it didn't work out. He sucked. Maybe he bounces back but I'm glad we moved on.
Tyler Clippard 0.2 fWAR
Thanks Sshin. I have been sober for 6 years and doing very well. It took another six years but I finally got it.
I am hoping that MLB, despite the suspension, will put him in a program. I also think that MLB needs to stop discussing the unfair advantage steroids give to players and highlight the dangers of it, the addiction associated with using them and the long term effects of the drug. That is the real deterrent.
When kids hear unfair advantage, that is what they are seeking. if they heard addiction and roid rage and long term effects more often, maybe they would think twice before using. This would be a perfect time to really hammer home the problem with using steroids. But they won't because it could further tarnish the image of the league if more scandals break.
Seth the Abomination
Vs.
Window Licking Yankee fan
While debating the issues, if one of the contestants has a drop of drool hit the table, they are immediately disqualified and the other contestant automatically wins. What do you think?
cool yo.
Tyler Clippard 0.2 fWAR
im just saying man go look at everything...it's not true...why even argue it?
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im just saying man go look at everything...it's not true...why even argue it?
What's not true? What planet are you on? lol. Do you not know how to read metrics? You seriously think Clippard had a good 2015?? He was barely above replacement level.
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Great Q&A with Sany and love the confirmation that Bastardo will be an "inning guy" not a LOOGY. Although most did not expect him to be a specialist when we signed him.
Vindicated? Lol, you never miss a chance to throw "I told you so" in everyone's faces. Well, that and I don't exactly think there's anything to feel "vindicated" about. Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted. Because they certainly were.
The mets have built a great team for...next year. That's assuming all the one year deal players work out and then, what, do it all over again next season with more one year deals hoping for everything to work out again? Rinse, repeat. Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about next year. But there is something to be said about building stability in a team instead of having to turn over half the roster every year because the team is allergic to any deal over 3 years.
Not interested in getting into a back and forth all day since we are on different sides of the spectrum on this one. But the "I told you so stuff" in January is pretty childish.
If this is true then he can't be suspended. How does the brain trust of MLB not know this? If true, seems like an easily winnable case for Mejia. Naturally, I expect MLB to do all the wrong things.
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If this is true then he can't be suspended. How does the brain trust of MLB not know this? If true, seems like an easily winnable case for Mejia. Naturally, I expect MLB to do all the wrong things.
If it is what he was suspended for before, they will have those levels in his system on record. If the level didn't go down (they would likely know the rate it should go down over time) he likely was still using. MLB is not going to get sued on something like PED suspensions.
And LOL at the "vindicated" comment. Sandy has a track record of being one of the best GM's in baseball and his hiring was universally praised. Every trade he made was universally praised. The farm system and pitching talent was ranked at the top of baseball. A book was published touting his triumph turning the franchise around despite the team never having won 80 games during his tenure. Talk about delusional hyperbole.
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Vindicated? Lol, you never miss a chance to throw "I told you so" in everyone's faces. Well, that and I don't exactly think there's anything to feel "vindicated" about. Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted. Because they certainly were.
The mets have built a great team for...next year. That's assuming all the one year deal players work out and then, what, do it all over again next season with more one year deals hoping for everything to work out again? Rinse, repeat. Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about next year. But there is something to be said about building stability in a team instead of having to turn over half the roster every year because the team is allergic to any deal over 3 years.
Not interested in getting into a back and forth all day since we are on different sides of the spectrum on this one. But the "I told you so stuff" in January is pretty childish.
God you are such a stupid fucking asshole sometimes. First of all, I said it playfully but you never miss a chance to be the resident assclown. Must be particularly difficult for you considering what a pessimistic dickhead you have been over the last few years. We got lucky last year? Are you fucking serious? Beating the Dodgers and making the 97 win Cubs look like fools was luck??? The Mets are the reigning NL champs and are as good as any team in baseball. Period. And one year contracts? Lol. Like long term deals are better than short term deals? Haha. The hilarious part is 95% of our roster is under team control for years. But yeah... Sucks we aren't locked into Coln, De Aza, Cabrera, and Walker for all of eternity. Never fail to miss a chance to complain about something though, do you? Bravo.
And LOL at the "vindicated" comment. Sandy has a track record of being one of the best GM's in baseball and his hiring was universally praised. Every trade he made was universally praised. The farm system and pitching talent was ranked at the top of baseball. A book was published touting his triumph turning the franchise around despite the team never having won 80 games during his tenure. Talk about delusional hyperbole.
People trashed Sandy up and down. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone here is dillusional it's you. Oh and Clippard still sucks. Happy Valentines sweetie.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
This team was built from the ground up and even a blind squirrel could have seen what was building here years ago. The Mets are now getting national recognition as the gold standard on "how to build a team".
Jones, the former Brave and future Hall of Famer, praised the defending National League champion Mets during a Tuesday appearance on SiriusXM's MLB Network Radio channel. It started when he was asked if solidifying the rotation is the best way to recharge a club like Atlanta.
Thats where I would start, said Jones, now a special assistant with his old team. I think the blueprint is kind of what the New York Mets are doing right now. Obviously, its hard to come up with three or four guns like the Mets have, whether its (Matt) Harvey, (Jacob) deGrom, (Zack) Wheeler coming back, (Noah) Syndergaard, the lefty Matz.
Theyve got a whole entire rotation that lives at 94-95 (mph) and has an idea of what theyre doing with their breaking stuff.
Theyre really setting the bar and theyre my early-season pick to probably go all the way.
I guess in your world this all shockingly happened out of nowhere and its "still just luck".
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You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
Lol, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that embarrasses myself here on a daily basis. I Share the same frame of mind about this team as most of the other rational fans here. Focus on the word "rational" since we know it's a foreign concept to you. Also, please leave Shecky out of it. Disagreeing with someone isn't "attacking" them. I don't get into it with him because he can actually hold an adult conversation without reverting to a profanity-laced temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him. If you want an example of attacking, see refer to your first post to me.
I disappear for weeks because you and another ruin these threads whenever somebody has a differing opinion. It's like clockwork. Like I said, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that is mocked throughout this site for how I act. That would be you. Grow up. Or get help. Either one will do.
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You really have the temperament of a petulant child. Your temper tantrums are always good for a laugh though. This whole roid-rage thing really works for you. You have serious issues.
Yeah I have serious issues... You seriously only show up when there is something to complain about. Some obscure article posted about the Mets finances and Phi is leading the charge of the "world is ending" brigade. Mets sign Cespdes (something you whined like a little girl about for months) and you crawl into a hole to disappear for weeks. Only to show up when there is something to attack Shecky, myself, or Seth about. You're a pathetic soul and I honestly feel sorry for you. You must be a real joy at a party as well.
Lol, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that embarrasses myself here on a daily basis. I Share the same frame of mind about this team as most of the other rational fans here. Focus on the word "rational" since we know it's a foreign concept to you. Also, please leave Shecky out of it. Disagreeing with someone isn't "attacking" them. I don't get into it with him because he can actually hold an adult conversation without reverting to a profanity-laced temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him. If you want an example of attacking, see refer to your first post to me.
I disappear for weeks because you and another ruin these threads whenever somebody has a differing opinion. It's like clockwork. Like I said, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not the one that is mocked throughout this site for how I act. That would be you. Grow up. Or get help. Either one will do.
Oh really. Who attacked who first? Seems like clockwork that you are the one jumping all over me every moment you can. Everyone knows I was off an an island here for years preaching that "Sandy's plan would come together and we were finally building something sustainable. There were a few others that may have appreciated what Sandy was doing but the vast majority shit all over him and the Mets in general for years here. You still do with regularity. I took a ton of abuse here for years and you know it. Yeah I jokingly said it feels good to be vindicated mainly because I was so impressed with that interview by Sandy. Sorry that offended you so much.
Some interesting points...
Sandy mentioned moving Flores off SS due to the acquisition on Cabrera "the downside of the move" meaning to me they might still like him there at times and in the least are still very high on him.
Also of note, Sandy brought up Cabrera and Walker first when asked about candidates who would spell Wright when he is getting his normal rest. So maybe Walker or Cabrera play 3rd and Flores goes back to SS or 2B?
Well, when you have such an extreme approach as the one you take, you have to expect to get differing opinions. I'm hardly the only one. I won't post much because of stuff just like this but I read every single thread. Again, I'm hardly the only one.
Yeah, you "playfully" like to throw it in people's faces all the time. Even though you say that you don't do it. But you do. A lot.
Maybe I should have clarified, yes I thought they were lucky to even get to the playoffs last year. For many reasons. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't in Sandy's grand plan for the Gomez deal to fall through, the Bruce deal the fall through, only to settle for a last minute Cespedes deal where he had an unsustainable historic month, for the Nats to implode, and only win 90 games in the weakest division in MLB. Yeah, I think luck played a part in getting there. Doesn't mean I don't think it's a good team set up for the future. That's me just being realistic about last season. I'm perfectly capable of seeing multiple sides of a story. That's called a "grownup" perspective.
Funny thing is, when I wrote that first post I thought to myself, "I know what I'm writing isn't that bad but I fully expect to be torn to shreds by Zgiants." Thanks for coming through. God forbid you have an adult conversation without going mental.
Yeah... all luck.. lol.
Same thing happened with the Walker deal. When Zobrist signed it was clear Sandy already had a VERY GOOD fall back option in Walker ready to go.
The guy is one of the best GMs in baseball. We owe him everything.
I pray to God this guy can defeat cancer and keep going strong.
And who cares why the deals didn't happen...the fact is they didn't happen, hence, fell through. Pretty simple, not sure where you are going with this. You can believe whatever excuse Sandy wants the fans to believe. Doesn't change the fact that Ces was his last option.
But whatever. There's no such thing as a two-way conversation with you, so carry on with whatever you want to believe.
And who cares why the deals didn't happen...the fact is they didn't happen, hence, fell through. Pretty simple, not sure where you are going with this. You can believe whatever excuse Sandy wants the fans to believe. Doesn't change the fact that Ces was his last option.
But whatever. There's no such thing as a two-way conversation with you, so carry on with whatever you want to believe.
LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
Lets move on. To me this is the best Mets team on paper in its history. Yes... history. This isn't the time to be arguing and pissed off at each other. We are approaching a golden era of Mets baseball and we should all be excited and looking forward to it.
No need to re-hash the past. Ill try to do better not to bring up prior views, ect going forward.
-ring the Jay Bruce talks may have lost momentum. #Reds having second thoughts about #Mets trade package.
Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) July 31, 2015
Ken Rosenthal ✔ @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Mets worked into night on trade for #Reds Bruce. Expectation among many in industry is that deal will happen.
Noble- According to the Mets, the Reds were prepared to take right-hander Zack Wheeler for Bruce, then called off the deal, then asked for more.
Wheeler, 25, underwent Tommy John surgery in March and cant pitch until next June or July 2016. He is 18-16 in two seasons with the Mets. At least he would have worked cheap: Wheeler is making $546,250 and he's not eligible for arbitration until 2017 or free agency until 2020.
I seem to remember conversations afterword implying Sandy knew what the parameters of a Bruce deal would look like if he felt he needed to go down the road.
I really don't want to argue about this all day though. Sandy got Cespdes and thats all that matters. He got him again this year. Unless one of us were sitting in the room with him there is zero chance anybody knows exactly what the conversations looked like.
The Mets are making an effort to acquire outfielder Jay Bruce from the rebuilding Reds, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter link), though he adds that theyre also still exploring other options. The report comes on the heels of word from ESPNs Buster Olney that the Reds would be open to a Bruce-for-Zack Wheeler swap. Andy Martino of the New York Daily News tweets that the current feeling he gets is that New York could pick up Bruce in exchange for Wheeler and another piece. Rosenthal adds to his tweet above that Wheeler would likely be in a deal for Bruce.
Again, I believe that to be Sandy's credit.
LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
Yeah, I said that they got lucky last season. You read into it exactly they way you WANTED to read it in your own demented way. And then go into a fit of Tourette's.
I couldn't give two shits if you believe my "clarification." That's your problem, not mine.
Lol, at my pissing and moaning in Aug/Sept. You really have a warped sense of reality. While you were sliding down that rainbow proclaiming that we already won the division on August 1st, I (among) others realized how moronic such a proclamation is on Aug 1 and simple took the approach of "it's not over until it's over." But God forbid your mental feebleness could take such an unrealistic point of view. And just incase that flew over your head...that was sarcasm.
Are you going to tell me that the Mets weren't playing over their heads in August? Please please please tell me you aren't at that level of stupid.
Oh, so now you agree that there is some level of luck with what the Mets did last season. Of course you will down play your "luck" view by using the ole "every team has some element of luck" bullshit. But you can take my one liner and read into it just the way you want to.
Man, you have had some head scratchers during your time here but you really love to play the role of the dribbling idiot. You are the one that has been repeatedly called out with your bullshit remarks and backtracking (and I mean actual posts from the past where you contradict yourself) but the fact that you just keep digging that hole is an amazing feat. You are a lost soul and I hope you find God.
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LOL. You wrote..."Getting lucky last season doesn't change that fact and doesn't mean that all the past criticisms wasn't warranted." AND YOU JUST CLARIFIED the luck you were referring to had to do with the deadline deals?? Wow.
Again. How the hell was Ces his last option? He was talking to multiple teams, knew would it would take to get Bruce if he wanted him and CHOSE Cespedes. That's a last resort? You honestly think he preferred Bruce? Man you're one weird dude sometimes.
Im not buying your your "clarification" anyway. You pissed and moaned down the stretch all August/September warning of us of the big bad Nats and felt the need to tell us daily they were a sleeping giant and we were playing "way over our heads". Im pretty sure you do think we went to the WS due to "luck".
As to your comment about Sandy of course there is some element of luck in all baseball seasons for all teams but you are acting like the Mets weren't the best team in the NL last year and they absolutely were. They made a mockery of teams once we got healthy and had our reinforcements in place.
Yeah, I said that they got lucky last season. You read into it exactly they way you WANTED to read it in your own demented way. And then go into a fit of Tourette's.
I couldn't give two shits if you believe my "clarification." That's your problem, not mine.
Lol, at my pissing and moaning in Aug/Sept. You really have a warped sense of reality. While you were sliding down that rainbow proclaiming that we already won the division on August 1st, I (among) others realized how moronic such a proclamation is on Aug 1 and simple took the approach of "it's not over until it's over." But God forbid your mental feebleness could take such an unrealistic point of view. And just incase that flew over your head...that was sarcasm.
Are you going to tell me that the Mets weren't playing over their heads in August? Please please please tell me you aren't at that level of stupid.
Oh, so now you agree that there is some level of luck with what the Mets did last season. Of course you will down play your "luck" view by using the ole "every team has some element of luck" bullshit. But you can take my one liner and read into it just the way you want to.
Man, you have had some head scratchers during your time here but you really love to play the role of the dribbling idiot. You are the one that has been repeatedly called out with your bullshit remarks and backtracking (and I mean actual posts from the past where you contradict yourself) but the fact that you just keep digging that hole is an amazing feat. You are a lost soul and I hope you find God.
Amen brother. lol.
That picture (which again doesn't show much) was posted 2 weeks ago. So he somehow went from "sloppy" to the point Law harped on it (11/21 was the allstar game) until late January? Possible I guess but I find it hard to believe he's now "jacked". Hopefully he takes this seriously, he's done the Barwis camp previously and still ballooned up.
Again, Law saw him in November, he saiod he was the best hitter he saw in the AFL (AND that he was sloppy and out of shape) so he didn't end the season and suddenly get in shape.
"Law added that he believes Smith is a safe bet to be a .300 hitter with 20-homer upside with sparkling defense at first base. However, Law says his upside may only be reached if Smith "keeps his uniform buttons from bursting," as Law points out Smith could be skipping basic conditioning, resulting in sloppy defense in the Arizona Fall League. Smith was the 11th overall pick by the Mets in 2013. He is still just 20 years old."
Sidenote. Is it bad I can't name everyone in that pic. I got TDA, Flores, Duda, Smith, Rosario, TDA's brother? Like who is the ginger in the bottom right? lol
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I think he looks a lot better. Still needs to trim down a little more IMO but I think his upper body looks a lot more muscular.
Again, Law saw him in November, he saiod he was the best hitter he saw in the AFL (AND that he was sloppy and out of shape) so he didn't end the season and suddenly get in shape.
"Law added that he believes Smith is a safe bet to be a .300 hitter with 20-homer upside with sparkling defense at first base. However, Law says his upside may only be reached if Smith "keeps his uniform buttons from bursting," as Law points out Smith could be skipping basic conditioning, resulting in sloppy defense in the Arizona Fall League. Smith was the 11th overall pick by the Mets in 2013. He is still just 20 years old."
Well obviously he wasn't training with Barwis in the AFL in early Novemeber. Supposedly he went down to see Barwis AFTER the AFL season when Law saw him... and yes... I believe in almost 3 months he could have gotten himself in much better shape since then if he was doing what those pictures imply day in and day out. Thats all. You don't think he looks more muscular in those pics? Fine by me. I did.
You're right. I should have know that. Who are the two on either side of him?
Really so happy to have Barwis, Long, and Warthen to be a part of this franchise. For the first time in forever we are seeing real tangible results with players to the credit of all three of them.
Problem with Dom Smith is five people could see him in the same day in five different situations. And have completely different impressions of him. The reality is the "fat slob" was labeled on him and others mimic. He is a big kid now. Personally never understood his work ethic being questioned. Not looking to rehash old arguments here though.
I am not sure how it works for steroids, but for recreational drugs they test levels at laboratories. So someone on probation for testing positive for Weed will have weed in their system for around thirty days. They will always teat positive, but they can tell by the levels of the drug in your system how recently you used. If the levels go up, you used something. If they go down, you did not. I imagine its similar for steroids.
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this Mejia scandal. Apparently Baldenone can stay in your system for up to 18 months. WTF? Link - ( New Window )
I am not sure how it works for steroids, but for recreational drugs they test levels at laboratories. So someone on probation for testing positive for Weed will have weed in their system for around thirty days. They will always teat positive, but they can tell by the levels of the drug in your system how recently you used. If the levels go up, you used something. If they go down, you did not. I imagine its similar for steroids.
Eh there's a contingent on MMO saying the opposite. One guy said Baldenone can come up clean in one urine test and then months later show up with high amounts without taking anything else. Who knows.