You have to make a trade that includes the Nets unprotected #1, multiple players & more picks. You take the chance on Simmons. KP & Simmons would definitely get us a guy like Westbrook or Durant. Could you imagine KP, Simmons & KD/Russ? That would be a legit contender.
You have to make a trade that includes the Nets unprotected #1, multiple players & more picks. You take the chance on Simmons. KP & Simmons would definitely get us a guy like Westbrook or Durant. Could you imagine KP, Simmons & KD/Russ? That would be a legit contender.
I think you HAVE to do it if it is the Nets pick plus several other picks. Just the Nets pick? If it isnt a top 2 pick then the value is probably off.
KP, the Nets pick, a probably early/mid lottery pick next year sets you up for a good argument for the big UFAs in 2017-2019.
to get Love. He's kind of injury prone and he sucks defensively. For someone like Cousins, sure. For Love... nope. I'd rather take my chances at getting Simmons because I think he's going to be incredible. Even if it's not Simmons, it's probably going to be a top 5 pick and there are some other pretty damn good players in this draft.
They stole this from me I started a thread 3 days ago with this idea. It's a no brainer for everyone. The trade isn't about mozgov they need to match contracts to make it work I'm assuming Calderon is gone to Cleveland also because they need a backup pg. Knicks would get expiring Lee and mozgov. Knicks need to do this if they can get smart and unprotected brooklyn pick and perhaps be greedy and demand a pick from the cavs.
Cleveland doesn't need a backup PG. They can't even find minutes for Mo Williams with Kyrie/Delly playing.
The Brooklyn pick AND Marcus Smart. Are you kidding me? Smart's grown into basically a starter with his minutes this year. The Celtics just took him sixth overall in 2014 and his development has been phenomenal.
There are scenarios where the celtics dont give up either the Brooklyn pick or Smart. They own the following slots in the 2016 draft: 3, 19, 23, 31, 35, 49, 51 and 57. They also have the option to trade their 1st next yr for Brooklyn's 1st and exclusive rights to Brooklyn's first in 2018.
Ainge likes Love. But trading arguably the team's most promising players to get him? Come onnn
Why was there so much acrimony directed towards the Sixers...
when it seems as though many Knicks fans are now willing to undergo the same "tanking" process? Nevermind that the tanking version of the Sixers took this Knicks team to the wire in MSG, but it confounds me that so many were quick to lambast the Sixers process while now many NYKS fans are more or less willing to punt a season for a top pick.
The reality is that you're either a contender or you better be in contention for a top pick. Trust the Process.
listen to Kay and Lagreca today and think it slightly odd that Kay said "The Daily News and the Knicks have a very antagonistic relationship and do not like each other"?
How is it likely that this newspaper prints anything legit and or positive about a team they openly "dislike"? I know Isola does but i didn;t really think of it as this entire paper that reports news, can report the news how they want and they hate your team so who knows what they;kk say or how. It;s weird to me.
is if Boston coughs up the unprotected Brooklyn pick. Otherwise why leave KP with nothing around him for a couple of important years in his development
I think Calderon is a step up even if slight delay easily most overrated player in NBA
Delly has made massive improvements in the last year. He is shooting 43% from 3 and 42% from the field while playing strong defense and distributing fairly well. He does not suck.
when it seems as though many Knicks fans are now willing to undergo the same "tanking" process? Nevermind that the tanking version of the Sixers took this Knicks team to the wire in MSG, but it confounds me that so many were quick to lambast the Sixers process while now many NYKS fans are more or less willing to punt a season for a top pick.
The reality is that you're either a contender or you better be in contention for a top pick. Trust the Process.
That's just a ridiculous comparison and one that only a Sixers fan can come up with. The Sixers have tanked for 3 years straight and counting. Putting in zero effort to put up a respectable showing. There is a difference between a team giving it a shot, then selling when it's not working, and a team not interested in winning in the least. How many years do you Sixers fans give the team before you expect some sort of commitment to winning? 5 years of tanking? 10? Where's it stop?
But yeah, let's compare them to the Knicks who've had every intention of trying to win. They simply aren't good enough and Melo is breaking down. What are they supposed to do? But if it gets you Sixers fans through the night...
How pathetic is it that Sixers fans are actuall sticking out their chests and using it as proof of a plan coming together because they ALMOST beat a bad Knicks team at MSG in a regular season game? That's what the fan base has become? Wow.
The rest of the Celtics' picks aren't worth that much in a draft that,
at first glance, doesn't seem particularly strong.
You know, I know, and everybody else knows that the Lakers will get the first pick, so trading Anthony for "a shot" at Simmons is not sufficient for me. With our luck, we'll get the first pick and Denver will get to take Simmons home.
Haven't seen enough of Ingram, and don't know Murray or Dunn is that dynammic lead guard that the Knicks need.
Still, I'd explore the heck out of trading Melo. KP's best position is the 4 going forward, find him another star to play with.
Move him. Your not winning with this roster. Get more cap flexibility and the opportunity to get younger and to move the ball better on O. Get the picks especially Brooklyn's and move on.
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So we get the Brooklyn pick, 2 others, and Smart? Sign me up.
Also, if we're moving Melo then we dont really need to move Calderon. Keep him to develop Smart and Grant. We wont be getting the great UFAs without Melo.
would do a deal to help each other? Do Celtics view the Knicks as such a non-issue, non-threat in future years that they want to facilitate Phil setting up Knicks as a potential contender in EConf? Isn't it more likely Ainge can find a different route, one not involving NY, to get Love if that's the key to Celts' season and going forward?.
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would do a deal to help each other? Do Celtics view the Knicks as such a non-issue, non-threat in future years that they want to facilitate Phil setting up Knicks as a potential contender in EConf? Isn't it more likely Ainge can find a different route, one not involving NY, to get Love if that's the key to Celts' season and going forward?.
It's unlikely that the Celtics have anything the Cavs want, and there aren't a lot of guys out there period who would be upgrades over Love.
You have to make a trade that includes the Nets unprotected #1, multiple players & more picks. You take the chance on Simmons. KP & Simmons would definitely get us a guy like Westbrook or Durant. Could you imagine KP, Simmons & KD/Russ? That would be a legit contender.
This is not correct.
Remember that both Durant and Westbrook are in their primes as superstars, but their superstar prime is not likely to be long- maybe just 3-4 years.
They are NOT going to want to deal with the growing pains that come with 2 VERY young players trying to learn to become NBA stars. Even Kobe took a number of years to grow into a star- let alone a superstar.
No, Durant and Westbrook will be looking to land with a team that already has an established star who can share the load and a bunch of championship level complementary pieces.
If the Knicks are Poz and Simmons- and vets like Lopez, the Knicks have an absolute zero chance of getting either one.
if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.
if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.
There aren't many teams that have a guy like Carmelo Anthony to offer that is going to entice GM Lebron to trade Love. The issue isn't finding someone willing to take on Boston's players/picks, the issue is finding a team that has a star to send to Cleveland.
if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.
Of course, but the larger issue if a deal is going to work is that the Cavs are going to want something that they perceive would bring them more wins this year than Love would. The only player who is both available and would do that is Melo.
and put all the eggs in one basket. We couldn't even get Greg Monroe, what make you think we can sniff Durant? We had to overpay to get Lopez to sign here.
Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.
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As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Well, right now, a team looking to acquire the pick is paying for, at best, a 15% chance of the 1st pick. So, I'd argue (probably foolishly) that teams would mostly be paying to have a high pick, not just the chance of the 1st pick. And it will be a high pick, no doubt. So yes, the pick is worth less if we know it isn't 1st. But how much less is the question, given that now it's just a small chance of being first.
If the Celtics also send 3 1sts and the Cavs send a 1st, who says no to this? Link - ( New Window )
As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
Yeah if I'm Boston I'd say no to giving up too much.
Quite frankly if we get the BKN pick and not much else I'm content with it. Melo's contract will be valuable In a year or 2 but if he has another injury or dips below 20 PPG his trade value will take a HUGE hit. Especially with teams focusing on young assets knowing they don't have a shot against GS or even Cleveland. I'd trade Melo for the BKN pick, one of the other 1st rounders and maybe Olynyk. If they're willing to part with Bradley or Crowder (unlikely) instead of a late 1st rounder iI'd prefer that.
and put all the eggs in one basket. We couldn't even get Greg Monroe, what make you think we can sniff Durant? We had to overpay to get Lopez to sign here.
Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.
Porzingis wasn't a factor yet when we tried to sign Monroe. The Knicks are a more attractive destination now than they were before. Guys in this league definitely realize the type of player Porzi can become as he continues to ascend.
I get my hair back and sadly that is just not happening. The Cavs already have two players demanding the ball (Kyrie and LBJ plus JR Smith is a catch and shoot player) and they would add a another player who has to have the ball and give up Love's double doubles to an opponent they will face in the playoffs? They will have about four assists per game. Who comes up with this stuff?
sucks as a GM. He's got BC in a good position with a ton of picks but 60-40 he screws up building a long term top contender out of them.
He hit the jackpot once, getting KG. Little before, little since.
Not sure if posted but per Marc Berman this is bogus story
Two NBA sources told The Post the Knicks have not talked to either the Celtics nor Cavaliers about a reported three-team scenario that would involve Anthony, who has a no-trade clause.
I think you HAVE to do it if it is the Nets pick plus several other picks. Just the Nets pick? If it isnt a top 2 pick then the value is probably off.
KP, the Nets pick, a probably early/mid lottery pick next year sets you up for a good argument for the big UFAs in 2017-2019.
Cleveland doesn't need a backup PG. They can't even find minutes for Mo Williams with Kyrie/Delly playing.
There are scenarios where the celtics dont give up either the Brooklyn pick or Smart. They own the following slots in the 2016 draft: 3, 19, 23, 31, 35, 49, 51 and 57. They also have the option to trade their 1st next yr for Brooklyn's 1st and exclusive rights to Brooklyn's first in 2018.
Ainge likes Love. But trading arguably the team's most promising players to get him? Come onnn
The reality is that you're either a contender or you better be in contention for a top pick. Trust the Process.
How is it likely that this newspaper prints anything legit and or positive about a team they openly "dislike"? I know Isola does but i didn;t really think of it as this entire paper that reports news, can report the news how they want and they hate your team so who knows what they;kk say or how. It;s weird to me.
I hacked Frank Isola's account a few hours ago and made up a 3-teamer that got Kevin Love to the Celts - my bad everybody.
I hacked Frank Isola's account a few hours ago and made up a 3-teamer that got Kevin Love to the Celts - my bad everybody.
What a dick
Delly has made massive improvements in the last year. He is shooting 43% from 3 and 42% from the field while playing strong defense and distributing fairly well. He does not suck.
love lives, love dies
Love bites, love bleeds
love begs, love pleads
Watch out, love bites
Then the Knicks should have won it last year.
The reality is that you're either a contender or you better be in contention for a top pick. Trust the Process.
That's just a ridiculous comparison and one that only a Sixers fan can come up with. The Sixers have tanked for 3 years straight and counting. Putting in zero effort to put up a respectable showing. There is a difference between a team giving it a shot, then selling when it's not working, and a team not interested in winning in the least. How many years do you Sixers fans give the team before you expect some sort of commitment to winning? 5 years of tanking? 10? Where's it stop?
But yeah, let's compare them to the Knicks who've had every intention of trying to win. They simply aren't good enough and Melo is breaking down. What are they supposed to do? But if it gets you Sixers fans through the night...
You know, I know, and everybody else knows that the Lakers will get the first pick, so trading Anthony for "a shot" at Simmons is not sufficient for me. With our luck, we'll get the first pick and Denver will get to take Simmons home.
Haven't seen enough of Ingram, and don't know Murray or Dunn is that dynammic lead guard that the Knicks need.
Still, I'd explore the heck out of trading Melo. KP's best position is the 4 going forward, find him another star to play with.
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So we get the Brooklyn pick, 2 others, and Smart? Sign me up.
Also, if we're moving Melo then we dont really need to move Calderon. Keep him to develop Smart and Grant. We wont be getting the great UFAs without Melo.
I'd love to have him, but I don't know if I'm sending Melo out and getting just that pick in return
Once we finally ditch the triangle, KP and Love could be a deadly stretch 4/5 combo.
It's unlikely that the Celtics have anything the Cavs want, and there aren't a lot of guys out there period who would be upgrades over Love.
This is not correct.
Remember that both Durant and Westbrook are in their primes as superstars, but their superstar prime is not likely to be long- maybe just 3-4 years.
They are NOT going to want to deal with the growing pains that come with 2 VERY young players trying to learn to become NBA stars. Even Kobe took a number of years to grow into a star- let alone a superstar.
No, Durant and Westbrook will be looking to land with a team that already has an established star who can share the load and a bunch of championship level complementary pieces.
If the Knicks are Poz and Simmons- and vets like Lopez, the Knicks have an absolute zero chance of getting either one.
There aren't many teams that have a guy like Carmelo Anthony to offer that is going to entice GM Lebron to trade Love. The issue isn't finding someone willing to take on Boston's players/picks, the issue is finding a team that has a star to send to Cleveland.
Of course, but the larger issue if a deal is going to work is that the Cavs are going to want something that they perceive would bring them more wins this year than Love would. The only player who is both available and would do that is Melo.
Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.
As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Well, right now, a team looking to acquire the pick is paying for, at best, a 15% chance of the 1st pick. So, I'd argue (probably foolishly) that teams would mostly be paying to have a high pick, not just the chance of the 1st pick. And it will be a high pick, no doubt. So yes, the pick is worth less if we know it isn't 1st. But how much less is the question, given that now it's just a small chance of being first.
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If the Celtics also send 3 1sts and the Cavs send a 1st, who says no to this? Link - ( New Window )
As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.
If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
Yeah if I'm Boston I'd say no to giving up too much.
Quite frankly if we get the BKN pick and not much else I'm content with it. Melo's contract will be valuable In a year or 2 but if he has another injury or dips below 20 PPG his trade value will take a HUGE hit. Especially with teams focusing on young assets knowing they don't have a shot against GS or even Cleveland. I'd trade Melo for the BKN pick, one of the other 1st rounders and maybe Olynyk. If they're willing to part with Bradley or Crowder (unlikely) instead of a late 1st rounder iI'd prefer that.
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Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.
Porzingis wasn't a factor yet when we tried to sign Monroe. The Knicks are a more attractive destination now than they were before. Guys in this league definitely realize the type of player Porzi can become as he continues to ascend.
I think it's unlikely that you can sell a used car for more than what you bought it for.
He hit the jackpot once, getting KG. Little before, little since.
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