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NFT: Knicks, Cavs and Celtics Trade Talks - C Melo/K Love

Saos1n : 2/12/2016 9:53 pm
Included in trade talks...

Melo to Cleveland
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RE: ...  
Deej : 2/13/2016 9:18 am : link
In comment 12813329 Jon in NYC said:
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If the Celtics also send 3 1sts and the Cavs send a 1st, who says no to this? Link - ( New Window )


So we get the Brooklyn pick, 2 others, and Smart? Sign me up.

Also, if we're moving Melo then we dont really need to move Calderon. Keep him to develop Smart and Grant. We wont be getting the great UFAs without Melo.
Dunn  
bigbluehoya : 2/13/2016 9:20 am : link
Is definitely a dynamic lead guard.

I'd love to have him, but I don't know if I'm sending Melo out and getting just that pick in return
I think I'd rather just keep  
Enzo : 2/13/2016 9:21 am : link
Love at MSG unless Boston is willing to fork over several picks and some combo of Crowder, Smart, etc.

Once we finally ditch the triangle, KP and Love could be a deadly stretch 4/5 combo.
That team would  
bigbluehoya : 2/13/2016 9:22 am : link
Be in a lot of foul trouble
How likely is it that Knicks and Celtics really  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2016 9:43 am : link
would do a deal to help each other? Do Celtics view the Knicks as such a non-issue, non-threat in future years that they want to facilitate Phil setting up Knicks as a potential contender in EConf? Isn't it more likely Ainge can find a different route, one not involving NY, to get Love if that's the key to Celts' season and going forward?.
RE: How likely is it that Knicks and Celtics really  
Jon in NYC : 2/13/2016 9:45 am : link
In comment 12813378 ColHowPepper said:
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would do a deal to help each other? Do Celtics view the Knicks as such a non-issue, non-threat in future years that they want to facilitate Phil setting up Knicks as a potential contender in EConf? Isn't it more likely Ainge can find a different route, one not involving NY, to get Love if that's the key to Celts' season and going forward?.


It's unlikely that the Celtics have anything the Cavs want, and there aren't a lot of guys out there period who would be upgrades over Love.
RE: If you are the Knicks  
rich in DC : 2/13/2016 9:47 am : link
In comment 12813212 Big Rick in FL said:
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You have to make a trade that includes the Nets unprotected #1, multiple players & more picks. You take the chance on Simmons. KP & Simmons would definitely get us a guy like Westbrook or Durant. Could you imagine KP, Simmons & KD/Russ? That would be a legit contender.


This is not correct.

Remember that both Durant and Westbrook are in their primes as superstars, but their superstar prime is not likely to be long- maybe just 3-4 years.

They are NOT going to want to deal with the growing pains that come with 2 VERY young players trying to learn to become NBA stars. Even Kobe took a number of years to grow into a star- let alone a superstar.

No, Durant and Westbrook will be looking to land with a team that already has an established star who can share the load and a bunch of championship level complementary pieces.

If the Knicks are Poz and Simmons- and vets like Lopez, the Knicks have an absolute zero chance of getting either one.
I hate to say this  
Carl in CT : 2/13/2016 9:51 am : link
But unless we get an early commitment from someone like Durrant (and Melo agrees) we have no choice. It's all up to Melo.
Jon  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2016 10:12 am : link
if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.
RE: Jon  
Lopes1984 : 2/13/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 12813400 ColHowPepper said:
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if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.


There aren't many teams that have a guy like Carmelo Anthony to offer that is going to entice GM Lebron to trade Love. The issue isn't finding someone willing to take on Boston's players/picks, the issue is finding a team that has a star to send to Cleveland.
RE: Jon  
Jon in NYC : 2/13/2016 10:22 am : link
In comment 12813400 ColHowPepper said:
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if I read you accurately, you seem to be saying Knicks are one of the only pathways that makes sense, but there are other teams who need lottery picks out there, probably teams with more assets to mix and match than the Knicks have.


Of course, but the larger issue if a deal is going to work is that the Cavs are going to want something that they perceive would bring them more wins this year than Love would. The only player who is both available and would do that is Melo.
Dwight  
Jon in NYC : 2/13/2016 10:24 am : link
Howard could fit that criteria as well.
We can't operate on the premise of attracting another mega-star  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/13/2016 10:25 am : link
and put all the eggs in one basket. We couldn't even get Greg Monroe, what make you think we can sniff Durant? We had to overpay to get Lopez to sign here.

Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.
RE: ...  
Pego61 : 2/13/2016 10:29 am : link
In comment 12813329 Jon in NYC said:
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If the Celtics also send 3 1sts and the Cavs send a 1st, who says no to this? Link - ( New Window )


As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.

If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.
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PhiPsi125 : 2/13/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 12813420 Pego61 said:
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If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.


But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
We didnt overpay Lopez  
Deej : 2/13/2016 11:09 am : link
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Pego61 : 2/13/2016 11:16 am : link
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But then there is the big possibility that the pick won't be worth as much. And that's kind of the point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Well, right now, a team looking to acquire the pick is paying for, at best, a 15% chance of the 1st pick. So, I'd argue (probably foolishly) that teams would mostly be paying to have a high pick, not just the chance of the 1st pick. And it will be a high pick, no doubt. So yes, the pick is worth less if we know it isn't 1st. But how much less is the question, given that now it's just a small chance of being first.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/13/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12813420 Pego61 said:
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In comment 12813329 Jon in NYC said:


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If the Celtics also send 3 1sts and the Cavs send a 1st, who says no to this? Link - ( New Window )



As a Celtics fan, I say no, depending on the picks. I think if more than one Brooklyn pick is included, I say no. We're very high on Smart, but I recognize you have to give up something good to get Love. But if we get Love, does it really put us over the top? I don't think so.

If this trade happened over the summer, and I knew that the pick wasn't number 1, then I'd trade the 2016 Brooklyn pick. I'm very hesitant to give up the possibility of Simmons.


Yeah if I'm Boston I'd say no to giving up too much.

Quite frankly if we get the BKN pick and not much else I'm content with it. Melo's contract will be valuable In a year or 2 but if he has another injury or dips below 20 PPG his trade value will take a HUGE hit. Especially with teams focusing on young assets knowing they don't have a shot against GS or even Cleveland. I'd trade Melo for the BKN pick, one of the other 1st rounders and maybe Olynyk. If they're willing to part with Bradley or Crowder (unlikely) instead of a late 1st rounder iI'd prefer that.
Carmelo says he isn't going anywhere  
Eli Wilson : 2/13/2016 1:02 pm : link
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RE: We can't operate on the premise of attracting another mega-star  
arcarsenal : 2/13/2016 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12813416 Jim in Hoboken said:
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and put all the eggs in one basket. We couldn't even get Greg Monroe, what make you think we can sniff Durant? We had to overpay to get Lopez to sign here.

Melo should go, but only for the right price. He has another 3-4 years in his prime, but with KP in the fold we are looking much longer than that.


Porzingis wasn't a factor yet when we tried to sign Monroe. The Knicks are a more attractive destination now than they were before. Guys in this league definitely realize the type of player Porzi can become as he continues to ascend.
what a cryptic first post  
chris r : 2/13/2016 2:20 pm : link
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This Cavs will trade Love and get Melo when  
greatgrandpa : 2/13/2016 3:52 pm : link
I get my hair back and sadly that is just not happening. The Cavs already have two players demanding the ball (Kyrie and LBJ plus JR Smith is a catch and shoot player) and they would add a another player who has to have the ball and give up Love's double doubles to an opponent they will face in the playoffs? They will have about four assists per game. Who comes up with this stuff?
Actually Melo  
Ash_3 : 2/13/2016 4:00 pm : link
is excellent without the ball. The real tragedy of his career has been not playing with PG's who can take advantage of his intelligent movement.
Remember  
Carl in CT : 2/13/2016 4:20 pm : link
We gave Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov and picks. We need a better haul than that coming back.
RE: Remember  
Ash_3 : 2/13/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12813738 Carl in CT said:
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We gave Gallo, Chandler and Mosgov and picks. We need a better haul than that coming back.


I think it's unlikely that you can sell a used car for more than what you bought it for.
Not a Ford Taurus  
Carl in CT : 2/13/2016 4:59 pm : link
But we are talking a Ferrari here and sometimes the older they are the more they are worth especially when a team is in a playoff push.
Ainge  
old man : 2/13/2016 6:10 pm : link
sucks as a GM. He's got BC in a good position with a ton of picks but 60-40 he screws up building a long term top contender out of them.
He hit the jackpot once, getting KG. Little before, little since.
Not sure if posted but per Marc Berman this is bogus story  
steve in ky : 2/13/2016 6:56 pm : link
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Two NBA sources told The Post the Knicks have not talked to either the Celtics nor Cavaliers about a reported three-team scenario that would involve Anthony, who has a no-trade clause.

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How does Isola keep his job?  
Deej : 2/13/2016 7:29 pm : link
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