Shaq Lawson vs DeForest Buckner

What about someone like Emmanuel Ogbah? He's the type the Giants like at DE as well?

In comment 12813345 Ray_Ray (NYG) said:

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What about someone like Emmanuel Ogbah? He's the type the Giants like at DE as well?

Ray, when it comes to the Giants valuation of draft prospects it would not surprise me if they have a higher grade on Ogbah then they do on both Lawson and Buckner.

Lawson is a better fit and I like him better than Ogbah.

but he certainly has impressive stats.

A special player. Size, speed, and length is off the charts.
I think he can play 4-3 end.
People get caught up with because of size he is a 3-4 end but when you watch him he has the skills to play in a 4-3.

At least when I've seen him he's been slow off the snap.

In comment 12813399 yatqb said:

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At least when I've seen him he's been slow off the snap.

Agree.

Don't know if he is quite stout enough to be inside full time. He reminds me of Chris Canty, who was able to make the transition, so you never know. But I think it is a gamble if you are committed to the 4-3.

OTOH, if the Giants are thinking possibly of moving to a 3-4 if Spags implodes, then Buckner is a great pick because he has the versatility to play both.

And the ability to play in both sets.
With video.
He played in a 4-3 his jr.year
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but I also think he'd be a nice dt in a 4-3. He's strong enough to stop the run and could give us more of an inside pass rush.

that would make t

I dont care who the Giants get in FA, Vernon, Hali, whoever, I still say they need to take a pass rusher with the #10 pick. JPP walks, Ayers signed, bring in another FA and draft a DE. Gotta do it. DTs shouldn't be as hard to find as pass rushing DEs. Gotta spend the prime pick on the prime position.

Personally I want Ayers, Hali, Lawson, and even Nassib in the second round. I have no problem with the Giants approach of devaluing the MLB position, other teams have been able to find MLBs in the 3rd round and later. The Giants may have finally done that with Kennard. Do it again this season and they are looking good.

Corner is also a big time need, and it seems like Prince will command more than what I think he is worth (hopefully the Giants too), and he has not expressed a desire to stay with the Giants, so..
Another CB in FA and another CB in the draft.
Lotta needs to fill, hopefully a good offseason for the G Men.

and it's not even close for me.

guess is he's at the top of the wish list for Reese and company. He'll also probably be gone by #10.

In comment 12813397 larryflower37 said:

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A special player. Size, speed, and length is off the charts. I think he can play 4-3 end. People get caught up with because of size he is a 3-4 end but when you watch him he has the skills to play in a 4-3.

Can you name some guys with his measurable that play 4-3 DE? I see comments like that every year, and I think you probably said the same about Leonard Williams last year.

The measurable are very important because a guy that size needs to be lightning quick off the edge in 4-3, or else you'll be getting something like Kerry wynn.

is a day 1 or 2 pick. He did have amazing stats this year, but that's about it. There was a lot of other talented players on the field at the same time.

We could do a lot worse than Lawson at 10, even if he'd be the 3rd DE taken at that point.

on the strong side he lines up across from tackle which stops the angle block off tackle or tackle going to secong level on lbs.It prevents a lot of innside running and frees up lbers to make plays

In comment 12813496 Vanzetti said:

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Don't know if he is quite stout enough to be inside full time. He reminds me of Chris Canty, who was able to make the transition, so you never know. But I think it is a gamble if you are committed to the 4-3. OTOH, if the Giants are thinking possibly of moving to a 3-4 if Spags implodes, then Buckner is a great pick because he has the versatility to play both.

There are players who you can't peg as someone who only fits into a certain system, and Buckner is one of them. That being said, with all of this time left before the draft, I wonder how people will feel about players such as A'Shawn Robinson, Mackensie Alexander, or Vernon Hargraves as we get closer to the draft, or at least after the combine.

In comment 12813870 barens said:

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In comment 12813496 Vanzetti said: Quote: Don't know if he is quite stout enough to be inside full time. He reminds me of Chris Canty, who was able to make the transition, so you never know. But I think it is a gamble if you are committed to the 4-3. OTOH, if the Giants are thinking possibly of moving to a 3-4 if Spags implodes, then Buckner is a great pick because he has the versatility to play both. There are players who you can't peg as someone who only fits into a certain system, and Buckner is one of them. That being said, with all of this time left before the draft, I wonder how people will feel about players such as A'Shawn Robinson, Mackensie Alexander, or Vernon Hargraves as we get closer to the draft, or at least after the combine.

Buckner does not have the hips and butt of a DT. He is listed at 290 but also has something of a gut. In top shape, he would be 275--a slightly taller version of Justin Tuck. I'm not saying I'm against drafting him. Just saying it is a gamble in a year where Reese can not afford to miss with the 10th pick.

Is a far better player. If you want the next Justin Tuck I think Shaq is very close to it. He's a beast. Very good pass rusher & a great run stopper. He had 59 tackles, 24.5 TFL & 12.5 sacks. His numbers would have been better if he wasn't injured at the end of the season.

Clemson wasn't sure if he was gonna be able to play in the title game. He did going up against a stud Bama Oline & their LT who people are saying can be a top 5 pick. Had 2 TFL & 2 sacks. I love the fact that he played through the injury & was still pretty damn good against a team who puts out stud Olineman every year.

...Lawson and Ogbah's final grade will be influenced by their explosion testing. Of course tape trumps all and we have no idea how the Giants will view their film analysis.

Personally I like Ogbah but I don't see him as the prototypical blindside pass rusher. He's a power player that's physical at the PoA and disruptive in all phases.

There are a lot of guys that could be in the mix @ #10. We know the Giants don't care what other people think when it comes to talent evaluation. They'll stay true to their board.

at 10 they need to go DE in round 1,i hope they can work out a cap friendly deal to keep jpp around he will never be that 2012 wrecking machine again but he is still a good DE despite the hand

they need to draft the best DE they can and look in FA for the DT to pair with hankins and let jenkins go (too old and broken down now). they also need to hope bromley and odi can mature and become the DL they envisaged when they drafted them, to improve the depth and rotation along the DL that had an alarming habit of surrendering game clinching scores in the final minutes far too often

I like both and think both will be good players but I think Buckner offers more upside regardless of the scheme the Giants play.

He's a starter right now in my rotation. Just keep him off backpage.com and we'll be alright. Jenkins is gone and another DT will be added to the mix.

I don't think there would be anything like him

Everything but the kitchen sink-will pull Shaq Lawson on Monday.
SLEEPER ALERT-scouts think there is another Sheldon Richardson at Indiana - Darius Latham
Dave-Te Thomas

BUCKNER
http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.com/posts/12435697/the-nfl-draft-report-s-top-ten-series---the-most-extensive-scouting-report-you-will-find-on-oregon-d-deforest-buckner.html

In comment 12814095 nflscouting said:

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Everything but the kitchen sink-will pull Shaq Lawson on Monday. SLEEPER ALERT-scouts think there is another Sheldon Richardson at Indiana - Darius Latham Dave-Te Thomas BUCKNER http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.com/posts/12435697/the-nfl-draft-report-s-top-ten-series---the-most-extensive-scouting-report-you-will-find-on-oregon-d-deforest-buckner.html

This was remarkable, you did not oversell it at all. I realize Buckner has the profile of a stud 5-technique but I would love to see him as a 4-3 end taking occasional reps at the 3-technique. I'd be very happy if his name is called. I like Lawson too, but I want to see how explosive he looks in shorts. I'm curious as to whether he will look as explosive against NFL OTs or if he'll fall into that category of smallish, forgettable rush ends.

Shaq isn't small. He's 6'3 270. That's great size for a college guy. Most DEs that have been picked high recently are much smaller then him. I've also read he has 34.5 inch arms. For comparison JPP's arms were measured 34 3/4 at the combine. So he's 2 inches shorter, but his weight & arm length are identical.

In comment 12814562 Big Rick in FL said:

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Shaq isn't small. He's 6'3 270. That's great size for a college guy. Most DEs that have been picked high recently are much smaller then him. I've also read he has 34.5 inch arms. For comparison JPP's arms were measured 34 3/4 at the combine. So he's 2 inches shorter, but his weight & arm length are identical.

I thought he was a little lighter than that and that they had measured him at the Senior Bowl as having shorter arms. Upon further reflection, he did not partake in the Senior Bowl as he wasn't a senior. So the conclusions to which I jumped will have to wait for Indy.