If he gets $10m/yr, then inflation has gone berserk.
I like Prince, but he's been hurt way too often to command megabucks. And I'm sure his last interviews here were the result of the Giants telling him the same, based on the direction they took with Beatty and Schwartz.
So Prince you played for the worse pass defense for the last two years what else can you tell me? Ummm I also get injured every year. So I figure I am worth about 10mill. LOL! Good luck on getting that figure.
There are only about 6 or 7 Decent/Above Avg CBs that are going
to be available in free Agency this year. Prince is one of them, and there are more that 10 teams looking to improve the CB position. Pretty much all of them have money to spend
Prince is going to get $10 million/year and he's a pretty decent CB
to be available in free Agency this year. Prince is one of them, and there are more that 10 teams looking to improve the CB position. Pretty much all of them have money to spend
Prince is going to get $10 million/year and he's a pretty decent CB
Gidie - I don't want to knock PA's ability - it's his durability that has me thinking he's not going to cash in like you might think.
We keep hearing the refrain 'there's a lot of FA money' - but there's a reason there's a lot of FA money, teams don't all throw it around stupidly. Every year, there's a game of musical chairs, where FAs rush to be in the first wave of high priced FA acquisitions, then the rush dies down as the market settles in, and there are guys caught without chairs who sign for less than they anticipated.
IMO - Prince is going to be in that 2nd/3rd tier. And if he's not careful, he might end up in the 3rd tier, taking a shorter term and less lucrative deal just to prove that he can hold up to the rigors of a 16 game deal.
I hope for his sake I'm wrong - I like the guy, both as a player and as a person, but I don't think his record the past few years bodes well for him financially.
rate him as a #1 CB? The rate for the top 32 CBs ranges from $14M TO $5M. $10M would be about the 8th highest salary on face value.
My opinion is there are teams that will go in the $6-7M range for him, midpoint for a #1.
I like Prince. I'd like to keep him. But in the $5-6M range. Doubt it happens. Link - ( New Window )
We paid more than we would have liked for both Canty and Boley, but the market at the time dictated it..Would have preferred they were healthy enough to fulfill their contracts, but they were very integral in winning our SB in 2011(2012)..
So yes, Prince probably gets his 10 mill, but it's not going to be from us, imo..The Giants have to be looking at his injury history to date and the probability of it continuing moving forward..They'd be wise to pass regardless of his talent, imv..
RE: RE: There are only about 6 or 7 Decent/Above Avg CBs that are going
I don't think his record the past few years bodes well for him financially.
j ... when Prince has a Dline to help him out -- he's a lock down corner
I think it's true that DRC is a better corner -- but DRC had some much tougher seasons and was a little miscast right before before the Giants signed him -- in fact the fan base he played to pretty much cast him the way you are casting Prince -- Prince has had some really good seasons and some really, really good games against some of the best receivers in the business
I don't think his record the past few years bodes well for him financially.
j ... when Prince has a Dline to help him out -- he's a lock down corner
I think it's true that DRC is a better corner -- but DRC had some much tougher seasons and was a little miscast right before before the Giants signed him -- in fact the fan base he played to pretty much cast him the way you are casting Prince -- Prince has had some really good seasons and some really, really good games against some of the best receivers in the business
I would stop short of 'shutdown' corner - but he's very good. When he's out there.
He's played 16 games once in his career. He's been out there for 8 and 11 the last two. I'm not questioning his toughness, a torn pec is a torn pec. I'm questioning his durability - I don't think he can hold up to the rigors of an NFL season and play 16 games. He's only been able to do it once thus far, he's been injured the last two seasons, and he's only getting older.
Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now. Link - ( New Window )
Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now. Link - ( New Window )
Regardless, anywhere in that range will still prompt most of the responses on this thread, imo
What Prince is "looking for" is completely meaningless
signs a deal that pays him almost $8 million annually what do you expect.
Some of you are funny. You want the Giants to improve but you want them to penny pinch to do so. That's not how it works. The system is designed for veterans to get paid on their second contract. If you want in prime players who are good you have to pay. It is what it is.
The Giants will have to pay to pay. That's the whole fucking point of having cap space.
That's what Cromartie got, and Prince is better IMO. However, I'd try to make it a deal that's front loaded and wouldn't have a high cap hit if Prince was cut in the near future, as an insurance against his injury issues.
You guys undervalue Prince. We have money to spend...if we can keep him, we should (same goes with JPP - can't believe I saw someone say to give him the vet minimum).
The Giants are in the position to front load a couple of deals to make the optics and guarantees work for the player. I could give a shit less of "dollars" a year if in reality it's a 3-year 24M deal with window dressing to look like 5/50.
They will pay, just not to a often hurt not as good as he thinks he is corner. Drc is a far better player than prince. Time to move on to a cb like janoris Jenkins.
He is a fairly good all-around CB but strictly in terms of coverage skills he is probably top 25 at best. If he is your second CB --as he would be on Giants--you are in good shape. But he is not even remotely close to being a shurdown CB.
5 year 45 mill. Contracts are going up and he is one of the better corners out there. He will receive in this vicinty. You have to spend it on someone and you can structure the contract if you need to cut him at some point or because of injuries. if he isn't interested let him walk.
Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now. Link - ( New Window )
More people on this thread need to read this instead of cluelessly responding to the initial thread
rarely become free agents in the NFL,therefore you have to pay (over pay) for a CB thats above average when they become available.
The giants are actually in a good situation with their dbs if they keep amukamara, sign a decent guy to play nickel and go after a high value safety that can cover (i know, big ifs). But that would leave them with space in the draft to address the front 7.
undesirable due to his injury history - why is Alshon Jeffery so desirable?
The people who think we should overlook PA (like me) should have the same opinion of Jeffrey. AJ's better at his position, IMO, but he's also a bigger injury risk and will cost more money.
I hope a deal gets done, in the 7-8mil per yr range.
Giants cannot afford to have yet another top draft pick walk out.
This is what got this team in this mess.
RE: What I really want to know is --- if Prince is so
undesirable due to his injury history - why is Alshon Jeffery so desirable?
So obviously you want to keep him..I'd rather go after a less than equally talented CB(if necessary) that will see the field when needed..Iirc, even in his one season of "health" he was playing hurt(beyond the hurts all players go through)...We need to cut ties, sign a good and healthy(no injury history) CB and draft one high, imv
I like Prince, but he's been hurt way too often to command megabucks. And I'm sure his last interviews here were the result of the Giants telling him the same, based on the direction they took with Beatty and Schwartz.
Prince is going to get $10 million/year and he's a pretty decent CB
Prince is going to get $10 million/year and he's a pretty decent CB
Gidie - I don't want to knock PA's ability - it's his durability that has me thinking he's not going to cash in like you might think.
We keep hearing the refrain 'there's a lot of FA money' - but there's a reason there's a lot of FA money, teams don't all throw it around stupidly. Every year, there's a game of musical chairs, where FAs rush to be in the first wave of high priced FA acquisitions, then the rush dies down as the market settles in, and there are guys caught without chairs who sign for less than they anticipated.
IMO - Prince is going to be in that 2nd/3rd tier. And if he's not careful, he might end up in the 3rd tier, taking a shorter term and less lucrative deal just to prove that he can hold up to the rigors of a 16 game deal.
I hope for his sake I'm wrong - I like the guy, both as a player and as a person, but I don't think his record the past few years bodes well for him financially.
7 int's in 5 seasons? yeah, right....
My opinion is there are teams that will go in the $6-7M range for him, midpoint for a #1.
I like Prince. I'd like to keep him. But in the $5-6M range. Doubt it happens.
Link - ( New Window )
So yes, Prince probably gets his 10 mill, but it's not going to be from us, imo..The Giants have to be looking at his injury history to date and the probability of it continuing moving forward..They'd be wise to pass regardless of his talent, imv..
j ... when Prince has a Dline to help him out -- he's a lock down corner
I think it's true that DRC is a better corner -- but DRC had some much tougher seasons and was a little miscast right before before the Giants signed him -- in fact the fan base he played to pretty much cast him the way you are casting Prince -- Prince has had some really good seasons and some really, really good games against some of the best receivers in the business
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I don't think his record the past few years bodes well for him financially.
j ... when Prince has a Dline to help him out -- he's a lock down corner
I think it's true that DRC is a better corner -- but DRC had some much tougher seasons and was a little miscast right before before the Giants signed him -- in fact the fan base he played to pretty much cast him the way you are casting Prince -- Prince has had some really good seasons and some really, really good games against some of the best receivers in the business
I would stop short of 'shutdown' corner - but he's very good. When he's out there.
He's played 16 games once in his career. He's been out there for 8 and 11 the last two. I'm not questioning his toughness, a torn pec is a torn pec. I'm questioning his durability - I don't think he can hold up to the rigors of an NFL season and play 16 games. He's only been able to do it once thus far, he's been injured the last two seasons, and he's only getting older.
Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/chances_cornerback_prince_amukamara_is_re-signed_g.html
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now.
Link - ( New Window )
I think Allen was much better at dramatic summersaults over a pile than Prince. Both better athletes than football players IMO.
I guess he'll have to keep looking.
Bye.
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Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/chances_cornerback_prince_amukamara_is_re-signed_g.html
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now. Link - ( New Window )
Regardless, anywhere in that range will still prompt most of the responses on this thread, imo
Some of you are funny. You want the Giants to improve but you want them to penny pinch to do so. That's not how it works. The system is designed for veterans to get paid on their second contract. If you want in prime players who are good you have to pay. It is what it is.
The Giants will have to pay to pay. That's the whole fucking point of having cap space.
You guys undervalue Prince. We have money to spend...if we can keep him, we should (same goes with JPP - can't believe I saw someone say to give him the vet minimum).
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Don't give this any credence. 100 percent not true. Pretty sure this guy stole and twisted my stuff. Just a coincidence he tweeted this after my post this AM?
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/chances_cornerback_prince_amukamara_is_re-signed_g.html
And it does not say he's asking for $10M per year. It says that is what one league source predicted. Remember, cap is going up almost 11 percent each year. So a guy who made $8M/year in 2014 would get almost $10M now. Link - ( New Window )
More people on this thread need to read this instead of cluelessly responding to the initial thread
The giants are actually in a good situation with their dbs if they keep amukamara, sign a decent guy to play nickel and go after a high value safety that can cover (i know, big ifs). But that would leave them with space in the draft to address the front 7.
Maxwell ruined the CB market last year......
The people who think we should overlook PA (like me) should have the same opinion of Jeffrey. AJ's better at his position, IMO, but he's also a bigger injury risk and will cost more money.
Giants cannot afford to have yet another top draft pick walk out.
This is what got this team in this mess.
So obviously you want to keep him..I'd rather go after a less than equally talented CB(if necessary) that will see the field when needed..Iirc, even in his one season of "health" he was playing hurt(beyond the hurts all players go through)...We need to cut ties, sign a good and healthy(no injury history) CB and draft one high, imv
Not in this case..Even some of the idiots who parrot that over and over recognize that he's an injury waiting to happen
...past two season 19 games played out of 32.
That's 59%.
59% of $10 Million = $5.9 Million per Year.
He may be worth that... maybe.
But I wouldn't budge a dime past $6 Million.
If he wants more, let the 59% man find it elsewhere..