thats not the xray of a creditable football player. Partys over. Again, hope he proves me wrong. looks like an xray of someone who needs help eating soup.
You were the one that said to give him vet minimum at most, right? That makes absolutely no sense, lol. He came back with no training camp and an oven mitt and was still our best DE last year. No idea how you can value him that low. He clearly isn't worthless if he came back and was our best DE last year.
a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
thats not the xray of a creditable football player. Partys over. Again, hope he proves me wrong. looks like an xray of someone who needs help eating soup.
Awful post. He didn't prove you wrong when he came back? What about the rest of our players whom he outplayed, are they credible? He was arguably the best player on our defense towards the end of the season and his hand should continue to heal, but yeah, let's ignore all that.
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
Is thinking he's done an awful post? I did say hope I am wrong. So him being the best player on an all-time horrid d is a quality measuring stick? He can grab anyone with that hand. Just saying. Not to argue too much. But come on man
One sack in six games cause he can't finish. Much like the giants current roster. What about that pic makes you think he'll upgrade his current pace of five, maybe five sacks a year? I get you root for home guy as I do. I was just trying to be realistic while still rooting. Hope you are right
...I think he can be quite effective. His injury is far less than many I've seen/experienced, and you'd be amazed at how one can adapt. No, he won't be the world-beater everybody expected when he was drafted, but he could be very, very solid.
If he'll accept an incentive-laden contract, I think he'll prove that.
from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
-seems like he owns his circumstance and has really matured mostly by necessity (ie-over-coming a life altering event and being stronger mentally than ever before)
he had only one really good season, 2011. How many players at any position in pro-football can regain the ability they showed five years ago and haven't shown since? (Yes I know he collected a bunch of sacks in '14 in garbage time after after being stiffed by single-team blocking throughout the first half of the season when it actually mattered.)
Resign him. Playing 1 handed with zero camp on how to play with a cast he generated pressure, was double teamed and made Ayers a better player.
He is the best player to get for the DL. Sign him and keep him over the RT
He was not double teamed at all, please provide proof. Hankins is the best player on the DL IMO because he's the best two way player. There's just no point in giving him the kind of money he'll want if you're putting him over the RT.
Btw why are you putting him on the RT if he's the best DL player? I don't get it
from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
he had only one really good season, 2011. How many players at any position in pro-football can regain the ability they showed five years ago and haven't shown since? (Yes I know he collected a bunch of sacks in '14 in garbage time after after being stiffed by single-team blocking throughout the first half of the season when it actually mattered.)
Where on this thread, or any other thread, does anyone aver that he's going to regain his 2011 production? IF he can play without the pad, he can be a plus effect guy, especially playing in Strahan's old spot.
thats not the xray of a creditable football player. Partys over. Again, hope he proves me wrong. looks like an xray of someone who needs help eating soup.
Excellent points! He'll never play again let alone be the best pass rusher on the team! Dipshit.
from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
Who here said he would have a 10-sack season, or even implied it?
the pocket, but he is a distinct liability protecting the edge until and if he can adapt a grip or has some sort of prosthesis created that allows him to grip/close his hand.
Saying he wasn't a liability is not being honest with yourself as a fan. We saw several significant plays develop because a player bounced off or out of the club.
I've suggested a move to DT where he could still generate pressure and be more in position to wrap up with both arms and has secondary support behind him.
He certainly can play football, but his liability as a DE is too great at this time.
RE: He's a great athlete, and sure he can put the pressure on
the pocket, but he is a distinct liability protecting the edge until and if he can adapt a grip or has some sort of prosthesis created that allows him to grip/close his hand.
Saying he wasn't a liability is not being honest with yourself as a fan. We saw several significant plays develop because a player bounced off or out of the club.
I've suggested a move to DT where he could still generate pressure and be more in position to wrap up with both arms and has secondary support behind him.
He certainly can play football, but his liability as a DE is too great at this time.
But that's the very argument people here are making...everything depends on his being able to plasy without the oven mitt. If he can, he can be effective.
coming in and immediately making an impact (positive) and breathing a little life into a putrid line, you are right that he was a liability.
If you can get somebody better, go for it. We still need two starters anyhow, so you'll need to find two that are better.
I'd keep him as is for a low enough price (which he probably wouldn't accept). IF he can get half a grip out of that paw, I'd give him a good salary (not as much as he thought he was going to get July 3rd).
he had only one really good season, 2011. How many players at any position in pro-football can regain the ability they showed five years ago and haven't shown since? (Yes I know he collected a bunch of sacks in '14 in garbage time after after being stiffed by single-team blocking throughout the first half of the season when it actually mattered.)
This narrative is ridiculous. It presumes that other teams stopped trying to block him once the Giants were out of contention.
from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
Who here said he would have a 10-sack season, or even implied it?
I said his big sack days are likely done but I'm not writing him off. He seems like a completely different person and is working harder than ever since this ordeal. And again, how anyone can say he's done is beyond me.
Or are the tips curled underneath? I'm no radiologist, but I've watched enough episodes of Bones to count phalanges.
My wife who is a x-ray Tech for 20+ years believes the pinkie and the ring finger are curled up for some reason in this x-ray. They are there and in tact. The rest of the hand is severely damaged. Little to no thumb. No index obviously and only a 1/4 to 1/2 of a middle finger with tremendous tissue damage and swelling.
I dont see anyway the Giants could pay him millions of dollars
And think he will have a very good year in '17. Career average or better, which is pro bowl level. Guy already came back and proved he could play with the injury this year. From this point forward he will only get better.
But even given all that, I'm not ready to bet the farm with a long-term investment. I'd like to punt and see him sign another one-year prove it to me deal similar to the one he signed this year, even if it means risking losing him or over paying on a multi-year deal next off-season.
All that said, what I'd like really doesn't matter. Some nfl team is likely to make him a multi-year deal with 10s of millions of gauranteed money.
Maybe we could persuade him not to sell low. That he'll get paid even more if he proves himself with a one year deal and a pro bowl level season?
I don't see any team that has nothing invested in him
taking that crazy risk. The Giants should over a certain amount with incentives. If he gets up to 8 sacks he gets this much and so on. 10 sacks we should be willing to pay him 10 mill or whatever that number is. A win for everyone.
was that he could be a decent DE. He was limited by his club in terms of shedding blocks and tackling. There is no proof he can play without it at this point. I would be fine signing him, but only to a very incentive laden deal. I wouldn't give him big money or anything close to it.
If the latest surgery allows him to wear a glove, not a club, and can pinch and grab with that hand to tackle, etc... then we're talking about him being back as close to pre-accident as possible
Y'all heard that yet?
Y'all heard that yet?
Wonder why they didn't do that.
Awful post. He didn't prove you wrong when he came back? What about the rest of our players whom he outplayed, are they credible? He was arguably the best player on our defense towards the end of the season and his hand should continue to heal, but yeah, let's ignore all that.
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
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Glover? And why should I care?
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
If he'll accept an incentive-laden contract, I think he'll prove that.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
He is the best player to get for the DL. Sign him and keep him over the RT
He is the best player to get for the DL. Sign him and keep him over the RT
He was not double teamed at all, please provide proof. Hankins is the best player on the DL IMO because he's the best two way player. There's just no point in giving him the kind of money he'll want if you're putting him over the RT.
Btw why are you putting him on the RT if he's the best DL player? I don't get it
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
Where on this thread, or any other thread, does anyone aver that he's going to regain his 2011 production? IF he can play without the pad, he can be a plus effect guy, especially playing in Strahan's old spot.
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from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
Who here said he would have a 10-sack season, or even implied it?
Same player? Never. Still able to play football and be disruptive? Definitely.
I also think he's learned some life lessons through this, and will be a much better man for it in his post football career.
Now, to the question of what he's worth? Really hard to say. But I'd like to see him back on a fair deal
Saying he wasn't a liability is not being honest with yourself as a fan. We saw several significant plays develop because a player bounced off or out of the club.
I've suggested a move to DT where he could still generate pressure and be more in position to wrap up with both arms and has secondary support behind him.
He certainly can play football, but his liability as a DE is too great at this time.
Saying he wasn't a liability is not being honest with yourself as a fan. We saw several significant plays develop because a player bounced off or out of the club.
I've suggested a move to DT where he could still generate pressure and be more in position to wrap up with both arms and has secondary support behind him.
He certainly can play football, but his liability as a DE is too great at this time.
But that's the very argument people here are making...everything depends on his being able to plasy without the oven mitt. If he can, he can be effective.
If you can get somebody better, go for it. We still need two starters anyhow, so you'll need to find two that are better.
I'd keep him as is for a low enough price (which he probably wouldn't accept). IF he can get half a grip out of that paw, I'd give him a good salary (not as much as he thought he was going to get July 3rd).
This narrative is ridiculous. It presumes that other teams stopped trying to block him once the Giants were out of contention.
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from blowing his hands up. People didn't think he'd come back ever and he did. Then people said there would be now way he'd play that much but he did. Then it was him not being effective but he was...all with a club for a hand.
Now he's actually having surgeries to make his hand useful and should but infinitely more healed by next season. To Coke away from all that and think he can't play is ludicrous. Maybe his 10+ sack years are done but there's more to DE than just that. And I'm not ready to write him off on that front yet either.
I can't....I tried to not get involved too much in this because my stance on JPP is well known around here but I can't let this go on.
This poster (who by all accounts is a normal functioning human being) just said it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that JPP would have a ten sack year...
With one hand....
Without being able to tackle....
With a questionable work ethic....
And an immature personality....
Honestly, the only 10 sacks JPP is getting are the ones from White Castle on Route 9.
Like many here, I had high hopes for JPP when he was drafted.
He turned out to be a DOG. I hate it too- between him, Wilson, Nicks, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips (just to name a few) we have GOOD high picks playing WELL- only to suffer bizarre career ending injuries. It would be one thing if they just sucked like William Joseph but these guys were on their way to amazing things.
It sucks and I hate it, but we're paying in karma for those 2 magical runs. I just hope the football gods think we have suffered enough and stop the nonsense.
Who here said he would have a 10-sack season, or even implied it?
UCONN4523
My wife who is a x-ray Tech for 20+ years believes the pinkie and the ring finger are curled up for some reason in this x-ray. They are there and in tact. The rest of the hand is severely damaged. Little to no thumb. No index obviously and only a 1/4 to 1/2 of a middle finger with tremendous tissue damage and swelling.
But even given all that, I'm not ready to bet the farm with a long-term investment. I'd like to punt and see him sign another one-year prove it to me deal similar to the one he signed this year, even if it means risking losing him or over paying on a multi-year deal next off-season.
All that said, what I'd like really doesn't matter. Some nfl team is likely to make him a multi-year deal with 10s of millions of gauranteed money.
Maybe we could persuade him not to sell low. That he'll get paid even more if he proves himself with a one year deal and a pro bowl level season?
If the latest surgery allows him to wear a glove, not a club, and can pinch and grab with that hand to tackle, etc... then we're talking about him being back as close to pre-accident as possible
Let's hope his recovery allows that
If we go into this season with JPP being our best DL or even our best pass rusher, then we are in serious trouble again.