accept an incentive laden contract in the same form as the one he took last season, then I'd gladly welcome him back.
Guaranteed, double digit millions - I'd let him walk. I'm not convinced he *can't* do it, but I wouldn't be on him to return to even 75% of his old form. I think his tackling will always be suspect (and like glow's idea for moving him inside). He will likely improve from where he was last season, but not enough for a big deal.
a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
It's all about structure - that would be good, together with some incentives - but that $4M/year would have to be non-guaranteed for the most part, or in part yearly roster bonuses that would at least give the Giants an opportunity to duck out. JPP's agent would likely want some protection as well, so maybe a player opt-out.
People don't like some of these contracts because when a player does well, it gives them the chance to bolt for more money, but that's the only way to get some protection for the team in the event things go south.
$4M + a series of escalating incentives based on sacks or tackles, and numbers of games or snaps played.
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
no one gives a shit about your opinion
I dont give a shit about a lot of opinions here, but I stay civil.
My wife who is a x-ray Tech for 20+ years believes the pinkie and the ring finger are curled up for some reason in this x-ray. They are there and intact. The rest of the hand is severely damaged. Little to no thumb. No index obviously and only a 1/4 to 1/2 of a middle finger with tremendous tissue damage and swelling.
And it's critical, because without the ring finger I don't see how he could use the hand to grab anything, let alone a 230-pound running back. It still seems problematic with the middle finder reduced to a swollen stump. I hope the off-season procedures can address that issue.
With Coughlin, Fewell and Nunn all gone, Pierre-Paul doesn't have any natural supporters on the coaching staff - at any rate, there's nobody left in his reporting line who owes him for the SB 46 run. In principle, the Giants are just another team that needs a DE. In practice, though, I believe they will think long and hard before letting him walk if he gives them a chance to match the market price, whatever it turns out to be.
Montana: Looks like they did everything possible to salvage the thumb.
Moops said:
I thought originally he was to get.... a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
montanagiant said:
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
The thumb is shattered, but at least part of the bone is still there, and appears to have been stabilized with pins extending all the way through the remnant of his index finger to the base of his damaged middle finger. The injury is obviously horrific. I'll leave it to the BBI docs to speculate about how much function he might regain, or what sort of prosthesis mught be possible.
How about we use the money on a guy with a whole hand?
Kind of depends on a lot of factors, like how much, with incentives, would it take to keep him for a year. Also, as I said above, can he play without the oven mitt? If that answer is no, nothing else matters very much.
Again, from personal experience, I think he'll be able to play without the mitt, perhaps with a somewhat padded glove.
"he can play with a padded glove." With the money he is likely to command they can sign another player. It's not just about whether he can play, it's about whether he is the best use of cap space. The answer to that is almost certainly no.
Know how much or little function he is going to have now that they performed the operation. I am sure the front office will base their decision on what to do with JPP based on their opinion. What posters here believe what function he is going to have with his right hand means nothing, I expect he will be much better next year then he was this past season. He will learn to adapt better and I guess there is a possibility that his hand will function better.
RE: Montana: Looks like they did everything possible to salvage the thumb.
Moops said:
I thought originally he was to get.... a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
montanagiant said:
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
The thumb is shattered, but at least part of the bone is still there, and appears to have been stabilized with pins extending all the way through the remnant of his index finger to the base of his damaged middle finger. The injury is obviously horrific. I'll leave it to the BBI docs to speculate about how much function he might regain, or what sort of prosthesis mught be possible.
Would a prosthesis help football wise? I am like you BBB when it comes to medical stuff, it would be great if they could somehow make it functional in his personal life and really great if they could do so for him with regards to football
"he can play with a padded glove." With the money he is likely to command they can sign another player. It's not just about whether he can play, it's about whether he is the best use of cap space. The answer to that is almost certainly no.
You have absolutely no idea at this point what sort of money he may command.
I think that the right thing to do is offer him a "reasonable" contract and the opportunity to get his game back. If he accepts, then great for both sides. Even if the sacks aren't there, as long as he can create consistent pressure, it's still good. That said, they should have a quality backup plan if he can't get it done anymore.
The problem I see is that guys like him and Amukamara, and many others for that matter, are just about the money. There's no loyalty. No "thanks" for keeping me around when I'm hurt and can't do a thing for you. With JPP, you have a guy with 1 1/2 hands who is an unknown quantity at this point and with Prince you have a guy who is hurt 50% of the time and only pretty good when healthy. If anyone is willing to pay them more than the Giants, they'll be gone and maybe just as well.
Guaranteed, double digit millions - I'd let him walk. I'm not convinced he *can't* do it, but I wouldn't be on him to return to even 75% of his old form. I think his tackling will always be suspect (and like glow's idea for moving him inside). He will likely improve from where he was last season, but not enough for a big deal.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
It's all about structure - that would be good, together with some incentives - but that $4M/year would have to be non-guaranteed for the most part, or in part yearly roster bonuses that would at least give the Giants an opportunity to duck out. JPP's agent would likely want some protection as well, so maybe a player opt-out.
People don't like some of these contracts because when a player does well, it gives them the chance to bolt for more money, but that's the only way to get some protection for the team in the event things go south.
$4M + a series of escalating incentives based on sacks or tackles, and numbers of games or snaps played.
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Glover? And why should I care?
Just been beating home the fact/my opinion that JPP is worthless. Just wondering if anyone has noticed. Don't really care either way, just sending out a feeler.
no one gives a shit about your opinion
I dont give a shit about a lot of opinions here, but I stay civil.
And it's critical, because without the ring finger I don't see how he could use the hand to grab anything, let alone a 230-pound running back. It still seems problematic with the middle finder reduced to a swollen stump. I hope the off-season procedures can address that issue.
With Coughlin, Fewell and Nunn all gone, Pierre-Paul doesn't have any natural supporters on the coaching staff - at any rate, there's nobody left in his reporting line who owes him for the SB 46 run. In principle, the Giants are just another team that needs a DE. In practice, though, I believe they will think long and hard before letting him walk if he gives them a chance to match the market price, whatever it turns out to be.
I thought originally he was to get.... a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
montanagiant said:
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
The thumb is shattered, but at least part of the bone is still there, and appears to have been stabilized with pins extending all the way through the remnant of his index finger to the base of his damaged middle finger. The injury is obviously horrific. I'll leave it to the BBI docs to speculate about how much function he might regain, or what sort of prosthesis mught be possible.
Kind of depends on a lot of factors, like how much, with incentives, would it take to keep him for a year. Also, as I said above, can he play without the oven mitt? If that answer is no, nothing else matters very much.
Again, from personal experience, I think he'll be able to play without the mitt, perhaps with a somewhat padded glove.
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Moops said:
I thought originally he was to get.... a ray procedure where the index (2nd) metacarpal would be removed and the thumb the other fingers would be pulled together.
Wonder why they didn't do that.
montanagiant said:
Because he does not have a thumb as evident in that X-Ray
The thumb is shattered, but at least part of the bone is still there, and appears to have been stabilized with pins extending all the way through the remnant of his index finger to the base of his damaged middle finger. The injury is obviously horrific. I'll leave it to the BBI docs to speculate about how much function he might regain, or what sort of prosthesis mught be possible.
You have absolutely no idea at this point what sort of money he may command.
The problem I see is that guys like him and Amukamara, and many others for that matter, are just about the money. There's no loyalty. No "thanks" for keeping me around when I'm hurt and can't do a thing for you. With JPP, you have a guy with 1 1/2 hands who is an unknown quantity at this point and with Prince you have a guy who is hurt 50% of the time and only pretty good when healthy. If anyone is willing to pay them more than the Giants, they'll be gone and maybe just as well.