What to do with Flowers

is that you?

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You mentioned "the core" enough

use the NFT if you're starting a Valentines Day thread.

left tackle and watch him flourish? Future beast. Nasty and tough as fuck. Not a bad deal.

from Flowers. We should for a the 9th pick in the draft. Will it be at LT remains to be seen. A top OL prospect drops to us at #10 would still take him as well. BPA at that spot in my mind.

Let's talk about cam newton doing things never been done before.

With his height and smarts, he could be a decent TE. No doubt he struggled at QB last year. And that was with the greatest coach in the history of any sport. Could be time to finally transition him into a pass-catching role, especially with how well he knows the offense. Also, wasn't a McAdoo a TE coach? Seems like an obvious move if you really understand football.

for hopefully the next 10 years.
Be happy. Don't try to look for warts on a MONSTER who will be wrecking shit with an attitude for years to come.

with them moving Flowers to RT. He'd be a brute blocking on the strong side. But if we don't land another LT he'll do a fine job there as well.

With Flowers, Richburg and Pugh.

In comment 12813691 superspynyg said:

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With Flowers, Richburg and Pugh.

Yes, and the NYG should continue to look to add to it.

offensive tackle. When they do that, they'll decide who plays on which side.

send him to speed camp because he has to get out of stance a whole lot quicker or run the guy blowing by him down

In comment 12813761 Chiller99.5 said:

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send him to speed camp because he has to get out of stance a whole lot quicker or run the guy blowing by him down

Guess you don't actually watch the games

because the write ups from draft day til now all see his weakness is reaching and mis steps.

He's slow out of his stance -- sometimes slower than others. Flowers gets beat by guys with good initial bursts. It doesn't matter how good your kickslide is if you get beat by two steps on the initial snap. Take this play below. Flowers has barely even moved and Eli Harold is already around him. This happened more than once in this game alone.

In comment 12813784 Chiller99.5 said:

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because the write ups from draft day til now all see his weakness is reaching and mis steps. He's slow out of his stance -- sometimes slower than others. Flowers gets beat by guys with good initial bursts. It doesn't matter how good your kickslide is if you get beat by two steps on the initial snap. Take this play below. Flowers has barely even moved and Eli Harold is already around him. This happened more than once in this game alone.

Not a scout, but I also don't talk out of my ass either.

But your analysis of a rookie playing the entire year with a high ankle sprain is off base at best

the foot speed and stance issue hasnt changed since his college days.He is a right tackle playing out of position .His injured hampered him and also ruined his technique on field.Bring some facts to the table instead of a half assed opinion

In comment 12813798 Chiller99.5 said:

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the foot speed and stance issue hasnt changed since his college days.He is a right tackle playing out of position .His injured hampered him and also ruined his technique on field.Bring some facts to the table instead of a half assed opinion

Whatever...just the fact that you use a rag like PFF speaks volumes

Charmin or quilted northern, you seem to think you know a lot,,you have no facts or knowledge.

In comment 12813623 Route 9 said:

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You mentioned "the core" enough

Three times would have been one too many, but two, I can let it slide..

Give them to your significant other tomorrow.


As for the Giants guy. Not your call. He's the Giants OLT for the foreseeable future.

if they going for another OT as free agents are too much,think they need a RT personally leave flowers at LT
for years to come for a rookie thrown into the fire and carrying an ankle problem he was way better than you could have hoped for. another years conditioning and coaching he will be the best they had there in many years

that leaves you the problem of what you do with beatty
ideally you would hope to play him at RT or fill the missing RG spot and make use of him,maybe reduce his pay a little as he's no longer a LT and not worth the contract now as they did with diehl when he moved to guard

if beatty isnt a good fit at RT or RG they could possibly trade him for a RT or RG saving the draft pick to spend on defence where the real work is needed failing that you keep him as a backup and save the cap space by offloading jerry and/or newhouse who are just terrible players, weak and give up stupid penalties at the worst times

As a LT his left foot aim point out of the stagger is about 2.5 or 3 yards back with a wide rusher. His start point out of a two is with most of his weight on his right leg so he can fire out of his stance and kick his left leg back quickly as it's not screwed into the ground. However, if you have a left ankle injury as a LT, having to absorb 315 pounds plus impact will cause your kick step to shorten. This alters your ability to functionally attack and contain a wide rusher.

You might read reports and look at stats - but until you have a fucking clue about the physical and positional manifestations that certain injuries cause - kindly shut the fuck up.

And yes. I know what I'm talking about from experience. At a high level. So don't bother.

After that we head to camp and it will all sort itself out there. I can live with newhouse as the 'swing tackle'...but not as the starter.

In comment 12814044 Torrag said:

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After that we head to camp and it will all sort itself out there. I can live with newhouse as the 'swing tackle'...but not as the starter.

The only thing is though we've seen a left side of Richburg, Pugh and Flowers for a whole season. I'd hate to see that broken up. It's really difficult to continuously split up units like that. I hear you on the competition aspect but they really need a RT first. And a RG second. I like a healthy Flowers at LT. A lot.

The lt needs to either slide protect,power step or kick step,since you learned this on your flag team you can now stfu

In comment 12814061 Chiller99.5 said:

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The lt needs to either slide protect,power step or kick step,since you learned this on your flag team you can now stfu

Haha. Ok bud.

Is he pigeon toeing or no? If so, why would he? On run blocks, reaches, spoons? Please continue.

...we won with David Diehl at LT we can do it with Flowers.

That said I won't attempt to guess what the Giants are thinking. All I want is a cumulative talent upgrade for the unit. There's plenty of time to put the puzzle pieces together. Remember we get extra time with our players with the head coaching change.

The release of Schwartz was a step in the right direction. I think Beatty had ability but they were fed up with his lack of toughness.

I never liked the Beatty contract or need to tab him as the LT for years. He played a bit small Imo for the position. I like a big, nasty LT who plays big and nasty. Beatty wasn't that.

And I really had high hopes for Schwartz. When healthy, he was a beast at the G position. He's limited in space so the G position was perfect for him because he could use his frame, strength, and power to be really effective. Injuries are always the wildcard.

I like Bobby Hart too. Get a vet RT who can stay healthy and that's a young and talented OL that can develop into a force for this team.

You can stop your Google search of line play. It's ok.

when they have finally started to stabilize the OL. Flowers has never played RT. He was a LT in college and he has been a LT in the pros. He needs technique work. He has the size, length and the strength. He is nasty.. Why move him when he and Pugh have started working together..

A good OL is about the continuity of the pieces fitting together as much as it is about the individual talent. The left side of the OL is set.. Lets fix the right side and be done with it..

Also I think a new OL coach is going to help tremendously..

belongs at RT remember he is only 21 years old. After he was drafted there were scouts that criticized Flowers because his technique was so terribly raw. Over time he will correct his technique and continue to get stronger. He has the luxury of working under a great OL coach in Solari who was helped develop Casey Weigmann, Brian Winters, Jon Tait, Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Alex Boone, Anthony Davis, etc. Flowers also played with a high ankle sprain that should have taken him off the field but he played through it and it surely hindered his performance.

speed has to be dealt with in the wider arc of his rush.The outside foot goes backwards.Aquick step with the inside foot power step takes away inside rush;the object is also not to lunge with the hands but make firm driving contact with the punches.Slide protect steps are situational depending on the side of the roll out.

Im sticking with my original post to get Flowers work in a speed camp where they can work with him to get out of his stance quicker keep his balance and use his superior strength.Ive seen this work with Corey Robinson who did decent at South Carolina with better footwork and speed and now with the Lions.

later today.

Expensive day for flowers, but they were in vases with water.

You're worried about that? What about the shitty fucking defense that resembled a sieve at times with unusually larger holes then your regular sieve. Offense overall was not the problem last year. They were dead last in defense. That's bad. Fix the defense. The offense will be fine.

You don't draft a kid who played LT in college to play LT, have him play LT as a rookie and then move him off. He's staying there as he should. The Giants drafted him to play there and that's where he will play. It is a very difficult position for a rookie to come in and grasp at the NFL level immediately. Especially when they're battling a high ankle sprain most of the year that saps them of the lateral movement that is essential to the position.

He flashed at times and showed some promise. The kid can play. He's powerful and takes it personally when an edge rusher gets to Eli. He's going to be fine. Get him healthy and let him continue to develop.

The left side of the line is set. Ideally we can address both RG and RT and use Bobby Hart as a depth guy. I like him a lot and think he'd be ideal as a backup going into this season seeing as injuries are basically inevitable.

of the now and future.

Off-season will take care of the playing wounded part.

Workouts should be directed towards improving foot mechanics and quickness getting off the snap whether setting up in pass pro or firing out.

With an offense emphasizing getting the ball out quickly, he really should be fine.

IMO

that he still needs development at LT if the intent is to keep him there. That development should be weighed against the available tackles (both LT and RT) that Reese sees he can land in both Free Agency and the Draft, and where Flowers can best help the team.

Continually look to upgrade every aspect of this team, unit by unit, position by position, player by player.

In comment 12814082 B in ALB said:

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You can stop your Google search of line play. It's ok.

Haha, owned

and there is still a possibility of Flowers playing RT, if a LT draft pick or free agent is available.....

Year after year we add a piece and yet we are still not there...OL's don't grow overnight...it takes years.....what a waste of Eli....

In comment 12813784 Chiller99.5 said:

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because the write ups from draft day til now all see his weakness is reaching and mis steps. He's slow out of his stance -- sometimes slower than others. Flowers gets beat by guys with good initial bursts. It doesn't matter how good your kickslide is if you get beat by two steps on the initial snap. Take this play below. Flowers has barely even moved and Eli Harold is already around him. This happened more than once in this game alone.

This is spot on and the reason I was sure we keep Beatty and he would continue to play LT.

Yes he's a rookie,yes he was hurt. Yes he played the toughest position other than QB for a first year player and yes he played against some of the better pass rushers in the league in almost every play.

All we can do is hope he will improve. His game seems to be better suited for RT and he may still be moved to that spot but for anyone to sit here and act like he showed in his first season that he would be an outstanding LT for a decade or more was not paying attention to his play.

One thing about my almost 10 years of lurking on BBI before I decided to register was I learned to try as much as possible to watch OLine play. Flowers showed true grit,heart and determination but how any one can be convinced that he's our LT of the future is beyond me.

In comment 12814571 TyFromQueens said:

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In comment 12813784 Chiller99.5 said: Quote: because the write ups from draft day til now all see his weakness is reaching and mis steps. He's slow out of his stance -- sometimes slower than others. Flowers gets beat by guys with good initial bursts. It doesn't matter how good your kickslide is if you get beat by two steps on the initial snap. Take this play below. Flowers has barely even moved and Eli Harold is already around him. This happened more than once in this game alone. This is spot on and the reason I was sure we keep Beatty and he would continue to play LT. Yes he's a rookie,yes he was hurt. Yes he played the toughest position other than QB for a first year player and yes he played against some of the better pass rushers in the league in almost every play. All we can do is hope he will improve. His game seems to be better suited for RT and he may still be moved to that spot but for anyone to sit here and act like he showed in his first season that he would be an outstanding LT for a decade or more was not paying attention to his play. One thing about my almost 10 years of lurking on BBI before I decided to register was I learned to try as much as possible to watch OLine play. Flowers showed true grit,heart and determination but how any one can be convinced that he's our LT of the future is beyond me.

Was your whole post written by you at the same time, or did someone else write half of it? Because you contradict yourself several times.

How anyone could see last season, a rookie LT playing with an offense that was struggling due to lack of WR options, against some top-flight pass rushers, with a bad high ankle sprain - plays as well as Flowers did, and you walk away with doubts about him being LT going forward? Would seem to imply you didn't understand as much as you think you do.