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B in ALB : 2/13/2016 6:28 pm
Going down to the wire at Cameron Gymnasium. Duke up by 1 with 27 seconds left.
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lol  
MookGiants : 2/13/2016 6:56 pm : link
only in that fucking shit hole

How else would a close game at Cameron end?  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2016 7:08 pm : link
Kersey can go jump into a polar bear enclosure at a zoo somewhere

Wow  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2016 7:09 pm : link
thought it looked close live speed but that's pretty obvious. Still think it's a tough call in the moment. I didn't notice first time watching
Duke and ND on late season rolls  
Cruzin : 2/13/2016 7:09 pm : link

Big win for Duke after beating Louisville with UNC coming up. Notre Dame offense starting to heat up beating UNC and Clemson.

Gonna be tough to duplicate the Irish run from last year, shoulda had a better draw after winning the ACC. Still just missed the final 4, painful but still satisfying.
The final blown call was no worse than Dook going to the line  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2016 7:15 pm : link
On something like 6 of their last 8 possessions prior to it. Refs let both teams play for 30 minutes and then put the clamps on one team in the last ten.
Didn't  
AcidTest : 2/13/2016 7:19 pm : link
see the game, but it sounds like we got SCREWED.
If he didn't take that last step, Shayok would have smacked that ball  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2016 7:20 pm : link
Right back into Allen's ugly fucking face.

He's the most overrated player in the country. Ingram is the real deal, though. That kid killed us.
Allen missed two free throws at a huge moment  
B in ALB : 2/13/2016 7:23 pm : link
too. After Dukie V just got finished rim jobbing him. But ESPN, Vitale and the duke faithful will pump his shaft.
And btw,  
B in ALB : 2/13/2016 7:25 pm : link
ACC officiating is a fucking joke.

Almost makes me wish for the days of Jim Burr.
Losing sucks...  
Dunedin81 : 2/13/2016 7:30 pm : link
but what makes it inestimably worse is Dukie V creaming his pants when it happens.
Diamond Stone had a flagrant foul vs. WI ...  
Boy Cord : 2/13/2016 7:36 pm : link
... that should have sent his punk ass to the locker room for the day. MD is getting owned. The whole is much less than the sum of the parts. Offense has been weak just about all season. Middle-of-the-road Big 10.
Great game  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/13/2016 8:04 pm : link
Another solid win for the good guys.
Lol angry Greg  
Ash_3 : 2/13/2016 8:05 pm : link
Is great.
Angry Mook  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/13/2016 8:08 pm : link
is better...
RE: Diamond Stone had a flagrant foul vs. WI ...  
Jon in NYC : 2/13/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 12813997 Boy Cord said:
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... that should have sent his punk ass to the locker room for the day. MD is getting owned. The whole is much less than the sum of the parts. Offense has been weak just about all season. Middle-of-the-road Big 10.


Stone is a fucking scumbag. Not only did he not get thrown out for what he did, the refs called DOUBLE TECHS. WHAT?! Dude literally slammed someone's head into the ground on purpose.

Huge win for Wisc. It's amazing that we even have a chance to get into the tourney after a 9-9 start.
How Stone wasn't ejected is a mystery  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2016 10:58 pm : link
That was as dirty an action as you'll see in a game.
I tip my  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/14/2016 12:41 pm : link
Hat to Ingram who had a stretch where he looked like a NBA stud. But man we got screwed.

Despite Allen taking more free throws than our entire team, despite the refs letting them play in the first half and then calling a foul on seemingly every possession that Duke didn't score and getting into the bonus halfway through the second half, that last play was the game.

This video sums it up.
http://youtu.be/hY6JR-qVGew - ( New Window )
Even though Maryland put forth a stinker...  
tony stg : 2/14/2016 1:57 pm : link
... yesterday (and, yes, Stone did deserve to be tossed), I am so glad the Terps are out of the ACC and the crap that goes on as depicted by the video that was linked above.

I still remember the 1980 ACC Tourney final in Greensboro that I was at where Kenny Dennard undercut Buck Williams at the buzzer to preserve a one-point championship victory.



1980 ACC FINALE - ( New Window )
My joy seeing Duke win  
Rob in Corvallis : 2/14/2016 2:17 pm : link
is exceeded only by my joy reading the post-mortems from Mook and Greg and the other bashers. I have a bad feeling about the upcoming game with the Heels - but us Dukies have had it too good for too long. Best wishes to all.
RE: Awful officiating  
montanagiant : 2/14/2016 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12813918 Marty866b said:
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How many steps did Allen take before he got the shot off? I counted four or five. It was an obvious walk. This is why very few teams lose at home.

It was definitely at least 3 steps
He took three steps  
B in ALB : 2/14/2016 3:15 pm : link
and went up and down. The ball was still in his hand when his right foot hit the floor - for the third time. Terrible officiating.

Not to mention that Allen clearly threw his elbow forward into the UVA defender's face to create space. It should have been a walk, up and down or a foul on Allen. Instead it's a game winner. Ridiculous.

It's the double whammy though. Typically terrible ACC officiating. And you're at Cameron Gym. You're not getting that call at the buzzer.
They were  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/14/2016 3:19 pm : link
In the double bonus with 8:30 left. I knew it was going to be tough to win at that point but it's devastating to have the lead and lose on that traveling up-and-down by that tripping flopper.
It wasn't quite as bad as the Rick Hartzell robbery in 1997  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2016 5:02 pm : link
But it was close. How curious that these blown calls ALWAYS go in Duke's favor!
I agree guys  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/14/2016 5:13 pm : link
Going on the 3rd decade of UVA essentially acting as an exhibition game for Duke at Cameron has all been related to the officiating - good point.

21 years, and UVa can't catch Duke on a single bad day - I mean, what are the odds?
And Dook fans wonder why so many  
timintey : 2/14/2016 5:17 pm : link
people can't stand them...
Smart money is on rampant stupidity and jealousy  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/14/2016 5:19 pm : link
What do I win?
Oh, wait  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/14/2016 5:20 pm : link
what is rampant stupidity and jealousy, Alex?
The best part is  
BigBlueShock : 2/14/2016 5:36 pm : link
Dookie fans act like they have no idea why everyone on the planet can't stand that team. Or they try to make themselves feel better by cackling that it's because Dookie wins a lot. Yeah, sure. If that gets them through the night..

Bottom line is its a program that has historically been loaded with insanely unlikable jock sniffers, floppers, privileged snobs and a whiny ass coach that gets every call, every whistle when it matters most. And the fans (all named Rob, apparently) are absolutely intolerable. No different than Cowboys fans. Oh, and they play in a shit ass tiny gymnasium and somehow have sold us on the fact that it is somehow something more, because the students don't shut up. There's only one reason why it is such a tough place for an opponent. The officials fear the wrath of the rat.
Oh, I know  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/14/2016 6:31 pm : link
Why many people dislike Duke - primarily it has to do with hatred of success (see Yankees and Patriots), jealousy, and the fact that excellent schools aren't supposed to be blessed with all time great coaches.

Most of what you wrote says more about the people that hate Duke, rather than Duke itself.
The #1 reason people hate Duke  
Cruzin : 2/14/2016 6:42 pm : link
(From USA Today March 2013)

1. They're the best. If Christian Laettner wasn't any good, no one would have cared that he acted like a jerk. (Greg Newton was an even bigger one than Laettner but no one cares about him because he's a nobody.) But he was the best player in college basketball, so there was a reason to despise him other than his cockiness and swagger.

Similarly, if Duke just had a obnoxious coach, it would be West Virginia. If Duke simply had crazy fans, it would be Maryland. If the team only flopped, it would be Real Madrid.

But Duke piles up the haters because, in addition to all those things, it's the best program in college basketball. Four national championships in the last 21 years. Eleven Final Four appearances since 1986. Eight title game appearances over the same span. No other school can match those credentials.
Let's see  
BigBlueShock : 2/14/2016 6:43 pm : link
UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State, etc...Plenty of schools have had enormous success over the years. Recent years. Yet none of these schools are "hated" anywhere near as much as Dookie.

Keep telling yourself it's jealousy, if it makes you feel better. It's nowhere near the truth, but why should the truth matter, right? It's that arrogance that the rest of the world laughs at and cringes over.

"It's because we're awesome!". Bwahaaaaaaaa! Except, you're not?
I hope the Heels smoke them  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/15/2016 9:14 am : link
Wednesday night.
RE: Let's see  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 9:20 am : link
In comment 12814840 BigBlueShock said:
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UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State, etc...Plenty of schools have had enormous success over the years. Recent years. Yet none of these schools are "hated" anywhere near as much as Dookie.

Keep telling yourself it's jealousy, if it makes you feel better. It's nowhere near the truth, but why should the truth matter, right? It's that arrogance that the rest of the world laughs at and cringes over.

"It's because we're awesome!". Bwahaaaaaaaa! Except, you're not?


There some great schools on that list, but just based on popular rankings (US News, as an example) none are peers of Duke academically, which makes your point, unsurprisingly, irrelevant.

You also included Kentucky, which is barely a university when it comes to academics and basketball, and UNC, which literally had to create an entire program for its athletes to play with blocks for a couple of hours to get grades.
RE: RE: Let's see  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2016 9:25 am : link
In comment 12815246 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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In comment 12814840 BigBlueShock said:


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UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State, etc...Plenty of schools have had enormous success over the years. Recent years. Yet none of these schools are "hated" anywhere near as much as Dookie.

Keep telling yourself it's jealousy, if it makes you feel better. It's nowhere near the truth, but why should the truth matter, right? It's that arrogance that the rest of the world laughs at and cringes over.

"It's because we're awesome!". Bwahaaaaaaaa! Except, you're not?



There some great schools on that list, but just based on popular rankings (US News, as an example) none are peers of Duke academically, which makes your point, unsurprisingly, irrelevant.

You also included Kentucky, which is barely a university when it comes to academics and basketball, and UNC, which literally had to create an entire program for its athletes to play with blocks for a couple of hours to get grades.


You think people hate Duke because it's a good school? Seriously?
Among other things  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 9:32 am : link
Its like thinking that everyone that drives a Porsche is a prick...some are, but a lot of people that think that would drive one given the chance. Jealousy.

You can see the same thing emerging about UVA - great school, isn't supposed to be a great basketball school. Notre Dame has its detractors based on years of success and nothing else.

Sports fans love an underdog, hate the champs, generally speaking - people who hate Lebron can rationalize it how they want, but there is a core truth there.
So wait  
BigBlueShock : 2/15/2016 10:03 am : link
now, everyone hates Duke because of academics?

You can't possibly be this obtuse. Not even you believe the shit that you say/type. People don't hate UNC as much because they created classes? And no hatred for Kentucky because it's not as good academically? Haha. This is one for the archives. Whenever you ask yourself why your school is universally loathed, think back to this thread. Arrogant fucking pricks that think they are better than everyone else. This is absolutely a perfect example. Despicable.
By that rationale  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2016 10:05 am : link
Stanford football should be the most hated program in the country. It's a better school than Duke, and in recent history has been just as successful if not more so.

But it isn't, because David Shaw is fucking awesome and they aren't smarmy pieces of shit.

The academic factor really plays little influence. It's far more about the behavior of the rat faced fuck in charge and his players.
Some points of correction  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 10:08 am : link
for those with limited ability to read and comprehend.

academics, "among other things".

I don't think universally means what you think it does, or if it does, I would ask you to provide some proof for your hyperbole. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

Kudos though, for correctly using obtuse - word of the day calendar?
RE: Some points of correction  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2016 10:10 am : link
In comment 12815285 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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for those with limited ability to read and comprehend.

academics, "among other things".

I don't think universally means what you think it does, or if it does, I would ask you to provide some proof for your hyperbole. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

Kudos though, for correctly using obtuse - word of the day calendar?


This whole post pretty much oozes that cunty attitude for which Duke players/coaches/fans are known for. At least you are confident enough to double down on it.
Is this at all correct?  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 10:13 am : link
"recent history has been just as successful if not more so"

Stanford is a fantastic school and football program, but isn't the standard for success National Championships, final ranking? Neither one would place Stanford football ahead of Duke basketball in recent, medium, or long-term (since K took over, if you want to go back that far).

I also think duration has something to do with it - Shaw has been HC of Stanford for what, 5 years.
I do enjoy the irony of Coach K  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/15/2016 10:13 am : link
becoming everything he despised and railed against regarding Dean Smith.
RE: RE: Some points of correction  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 10:15 am : link
In comment 12815287 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 12815285 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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for those with limited ability to read and comprehend.

academics, "among other things".

I don't think universally means what you think it does, or if it does, I would ask you to provide some proof for your hyperbole. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

Kudos though, for correctly using obtuse - word of the day calendar?



This whole post pretty much oozes that cunty attitude for which Duke players/coaches/fans are known for. At least you are confident enough to double down on it.


Or, I am just having some fun with it, the way I started this thread going at Greg, which we have doing for years. BBS thought it would be more fun to be a douche and interject, so I responded to him the way he addressed me.
I'm not going  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/15/2016 10:20 am : link
to get into the history of Duke hate, or the history of complaints about officiating in Duke games. The majority of hate levied at Duke is because they are a tremendously prestigious school with a great history of winning, and because they have a lot of white players and coach (an incredible basketball coach) who is treated as someone who coaches "the right way" and is above reproach when many fans of other programs would disagree. Were it not for those things, the rest wouldn't be an issue. I'm aware of it. I used to love Duke as a little kid and I'm marrying into Duke fandom.

There is no response to Duke's run of dominance as a basketball program or Duke's prestige as an academic institution. I tip my cap and respect both of those earned reputations.

My complaints lie within this particular game.
Greg  
MookGiants : 2/15/2016 11:21 am : link
if you're around today shoot me an email.

mookgiants@gmail.com
I do get a kick out of Duke kids  
MetsAreBack : 2/15/2016 11:36 am : link
Patting themselves on the back for getting in. Meanwhile I always looked at it as an Ivy safety school - on par with UVA. Comparing yourselves to a Porsche? Seriously? More like a BMW. Nothing to be ashamed of but still.

Second, the basketball players for the most part that attended Duke would never get in on their own merits - and K now full out recruits the one-and-dones. So what you have is a really good 'program' that shares a campus with a solid unspectacular 2nd tier group of rich white kids and otherwise has nothing in common with them.

I'm not sure any of this is grounds for jealousy - people tend to hate Duke because they win so much and people are sick of that. Also K for decades acting like he's the most benevolent, gentle man in the world but if you actually watch the games he is insufferable with referees - and really is no better than Calipari when it comes to developing young men.
A lot of this is the kabuki Rob and I have performed for years  
Greg from LI : 2/15/2016 11:43 am : link
While he undoubtedly is an arrogant Dookie, I'm pretty sure he didn't consider this game a "glorified exhibition" when he was checking his shorts for cleanliness after Brogs hit the actual game winning shot.
MAB  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 11:58 am : link
I think you view Duke much the way that I view Citi - sort of Wall Street for light weight thinkers.
RE: A lot of this is the kabuki Rob and I have performed for years  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12815400 Greg from LI said:
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While he undoubtedly is an arrogant Dookie, I'm pretty sure he didn't consider this game a "glorified exhibition" when he was checking his shorts for cleanliness after Brogs hit the actual game winning shot.


True, unfortunately given the changing nature of the site, we have to deal with the mouth breathers that don't see it for what it is.
ehh, plenty of people  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/15/2016 1:19 pm : link
choose Duke and UVA over several Ivy League schools.
Paul  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/15/2016 1:29 pm : link
particularly if you don't want to go to school in a toilet, like UPenn or Columbia (and I went Columbia).
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