I liked Prince a lot but he was like Kenny Phillips. Great upside but couldn't stay on the field. I would like to set them go after Weddle to help shore up the secondary. And I know they have a lot of other moves they need to make on the defensive side. But there are two guys I would love to see in blue next year and they are Sanu from the Bengals and Mitchell Schwartz from the Browns.
I liked Prince a lot but he was like Kenny Phillips. Great upside but couldn't stay on the field. I would like to set them go after Weddle to help shore up the secondary. And I know they have a lot of other moves they need to make on the defensive side. But there are two guys I would love to see in blue next year and they are Sanu from the Bengals and Mitchell Schwartz from the Browns.
Unless he comes cheaply, I want no part of Sanu. Sure he played for Rutgers, but he was very underwhelming in Cincinnati despite getting a lot of playing time and having talent elsewhere giving Sanu a lot of single coverage. He was their Reuben Randle except our version was more productive
since he can't stay healthy. If Jenkins can give us 16 games we are better off than last year. Prince missed a bunch of time and then played hurt, where he wasn't the same guy the rest of the year.
slight disagreement with the article. It ended saying Jenkins will be the #1 CB for the Giants. I don't think he's better than DRC myself. However, he may be the guy in a year or two.
He does have a history of drug issues, including getting kicked off of the University of Florida team. Also, I'm very curious to see that contract. I'm guessing he cashed in. He was rumored to want some big money, especially from Oakland. But young at only 27 years old. Solid cover guy, and a good ballhawk. Has a ton of defensive touchdowns. Now go get Vernon and Harrison, and that's a really really good first day.
JJ has 4.46 speed, excellent cover guy Now, we need a vet FS to work with Collins & solidify the back 4!
LOL you know Prince ran a 4.43?
Question is and more importantly, who runs faster IN PADS? Oft times it seemed as though Prince was running in mud. Could that be due to injury? Certainly, but just sayin'
All things considered, its probably a wash. Hopefully a cheaper one.
He's better if he's on the Field and Prince is watching from the sidelines. If both are healthy, then I agree. But, history tells us, that will probably not be the case.
where Prince wore out his welcome here. I think a combination of injuries which have limited him, and when he has played he has been ok, but nothing to write home about. And Prince is a bit of a free spirit, and I think that might have turned off some of the Giants brass. Ultimately, when you pay a guy on his 2nd contract, you are looking to see who has the greater upside in his prime. The Giants obviously though with the costs involved, Jenkins was better.
Jenkins and Prince are really just different players. In any event, we needed a CB and Jenkins is a good player. He's not a lockdown CB but he's a ball hawk and he'll make a lot of plays. Take the good with the bad. It's a solid addition.
This guy seems like a little bit of a knuclehead, which worries me a bit, but I wanted Prince gone. I just never got the impression that he really liked being here.
Adding McLeod + Iloka would be a good looking Big Nickel which is almost a required base package in today's NFL.
Jenkins' upside is higher as is his ability to pick the ball off. Not as good of a run defender but we can't have it all. Hopefully it allows the pass rush a bit more time to get home.
For those bitching about fixing things, this is what waiting a few hours before going nuts can do.
I really like this move. We need talent at the corners to provide that extra time for JPP and whomever else to get to the QB and either tip the ball, create confusion for the QB or get the sack!
Nice first step in FA!
RE: I guess this also means Hargreaves won't be mocked to us at 10
I really like this move. We need talent at the corners to provide that extra time for JPP and whomever else to get to the QB and either tip the ball, create confusion for the QB or get the sack!
Nice first step in FA!
Yes, its good because it fills a need and opens up more options in the draft. Keep it going. Still need a WR, DT, DE, S, MLB
This is an upgrade but look at that 12 million tag mentioned above for Jenkins. Prince's "big" plays were actually interceptions on poorly thrown balls. If I remember correctly , his debut was against the Eagles in a night game. He was cleanly beaten on his first play , and Vince Young under threw his receiver by 10 yards resulting in a pick. A star is born. PS Not really.
He has no instincts for coverage. He can't anticipate a route. Let the Jetsons or Cowboys go in big for him. As for Jenkins, hei is the anti-Prince. Bit of a prick. Somewhat confrontational style, but he wants the ball thrown his way.
The only reason I say that about Sanu is because I was watching NFL Network and Sean Ohara did a breakdown on him. He did not get a lot of chances in Cincinnati because of Green and Eifert. He was not the go to buy.
Ohara believes he is a number one or at he very least a two on any other team. In Cincinnati he was a fourth. Ohara believes whoever gets him will be a steal. Says he would love to see him opposite Beckham. Said Sanu can play inside and outside and is a beast wth the ball in his hands. Ohara's words and breakdown not mine. I trust his analysis more then mine or anyone else's.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
It's simple Eric. These people have their panties up their crotch.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
sure Ill be roasted for say this, but I hate this deal, especially at a whopping $12M a year.
Reese is handing out huge FA contracts like lollipops to cover his dismal draft record. Hes afraid of losing his job, and knows that Eli probably has three or four good years left. He overpaid JPP and now Jenkins because we are weak at DE and CB as a result of his roster mismanagement.
Jenkins also has a lot of character risks that we were supposedly moving away from because of negative past experiences with these types of players. Not anymore. He has four children by three different women, and was kicked off the Florida football team:
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On June 1, 2009, Jenkins was arrested near a bar by Gainesville Police for fighting and resisting arrest after punching a man in the head around 2:00 a.m. Police were forced to use a taser on Jenkins after fighting escalated. When asked why the fight started, Jenkins told police it was because he thought someone was going to steal the gold chain around his neck.
On April 23, 2011, Jenkins was cited by a Gainesville police officer and charged with misdemeanor marijuana possession. He was cited for the same violation in January 2011, and paid a $316 fine. He was arrested in May 2009 during a downtown Gainesville fight that resulted in probation and community service. On April 26, 2011, he was dismissed by the Florida Gators football team, due to his second drug related arrest in 3 months.
Stop trying to rebuild the team in one year just to try and save your job Jerry. Let JPP and Ayers go if necessary, sign some veterans DEs, and use high picks on a DE and a DT. If you dont want Prince at $8-$9M a year, fine. Go after Heyward or Smith, and again use a high pick on a CB.
Are you surprised by this? Half of us on here are never happy no matter what they do. I love the signing. He's a good solid player who has shown to be reliable and doesn't have to leave the field for every little dink that bothers him which was the knock on Prince. And let's be honest, all cornerbacks get beat one time or another no matter how good the are. It's the nature of the position.
and we would want him back if he could stay healthy. But especially given the injury history of this team as a whole, it was important to move on. It is unrealistic to expect that Prince is going to be MORE healthy going forward than he showed in his years with the Giants. So Jenkins is a nice pick up might have preferred Sean Smith but I am okay with this. Watch for Patrick Robinson too, who will help at the slot position if we can sign him.
The key words are "on the market". Jenkins may be one of the top corners on the market now, but the market changes year to year and what makes sense now may not make sense in a year. Byron Maxwell is a very clear recent example.
I was fine laying in the weeds and trying to strike wisely.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
The problem is that people don't understand the market. They see numbers and think "oh my god we paid way too much, this player is not worth this money" and don't understand that you have to pay to sign these players. These are the going rates. This is a 27 year old CB getting his 2nd contract and still in his prime years. You want these guys, you pay for them.
I'm all for smart deals and not overpaying but if you're going to sign players and spend big on them in FA, ideally these are the types of guys you do it for. Guys who still have their best ball ahead of them and not already behind them.
Even with your own draft picks of you want them to stick around.
How do you think the Giants got to have $60 million to spend to begin with? They don't have any players on their roster worth paying because they all suck.
We can't have it both ways...Either Reese is asleep at the wheel because a 30 year old DE wants to finish his career home with a Super Bowl runner up, or...Why is he spending so much money on a CB, forget that he maybe the best out there....
We have a bunch of money. A few other teams do to. We need to spend to get this off season, or we could sign no one and only rely in the draft and UDFAs.
Are we frustrated about losing? Yes.
Are we just bitching to bitch? Looks like it.
Maybe we all hate Reese, but he's here, and he needs to try and turn it around, and he can't do that if doesn't sign anyone.
Let's calm the f down, see how the next few days play out, and at least wait until he drafts a bunch of crap players in May before we implode.
That's Jenkins problem. How many guys in this modern era of the NFL don't have multiple kids from multiple women. More then you and I could ever imagine. We cheered like hell for LT in his heyday knowing full well the demons he battled. And even after his playing days were done. This league is full of bad asses. It's unfrotunate but true.
Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
Those bitching about the money are likely the same people that would be bitching about the money if the Giants only offered $10M and Jenkins went elsewhere for $12M.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
It's simple Eric. These people have their panties up their crotch.
Or it could be half here were ok with playing it safe and thought the penny pinching comments were ignorant. And now think this was a serious over payment.
The other half had their panties in a bunch over nothing and are no celebrating this move because the Giants signed a big name.
Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
He is so far from a top talent he isn't funny, but remember Reese spent 17 million Harris and how much on Obrien Schofield? I guess this is different because there was a market for Jenkins, but I think this is just another overpay.
The key words are "on the market". Jenkins may be one of the top corners on the market now, but the market changes year to year and what makes sense now may not make sense in a year. Byron Maxwell is a very clear recent example.
I was fine laying in the weeds and trying to strike wisely.
They had to do it though. I understand the frugal part and I agree yet a lot of teams have cap dollars and the supply of players is a bit limited. The frugal might end up holding dollars with no solid players to spend it on. That's not say this kid is Deion Sanders and he will get burnt but this roster needs players and are a bit desperate.
Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
What do you think Claiborne will get on open market? What about stealing a year or two from Grimes. After all, a guy like Jenkins no matter what the contract says is only a 2-3 year guy because we are not going to pay him 12 per at 30 years old. So if you put Grines and get 75% of production at 50-60% of cost, you might not be in bad spot. Now what the market will ultimately be for these guys is outside my pay grade, but this feels like an overpay for a good, but not great CB.
It doesn't matter if he's literally top talent. Come on
The point was he's a good player and good players cost money.
At some point you're going to have to shell out money to keep good players on your roster. Prince would have cost just as much if not more and so would anyone else in that echelon of talent. Sure we could draft a rookie cheaper now but when his rookie contract is up he's going to command even more.
Eventually you need to pay up and CB is a premium position.
- The cap went up this offseason and many teams have money to spend. In some cases, like ours, it's a lot of cap space.
- Teams are impatient to win and are trying to take the fastest route possible to add players. In our case the GM has his ass on the line and the franchise quarterback is getting older, do that is creating the feeling that we need to accelerate the rebuilding process.
- The agents for the FAs available know this, so they are asking for the moon.
- Desperate teams are overpaying for players that don't represent the cream of the NFL crop. A Honda at a Mercedes price is still a Honda.
Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
Apparently nobody was paying attention to what Prince thought he was worth. Jenkins is better than Prince, and Prince thought he was good for at least $9M a season too.
It's a combo here, people - we don't know what the guaranteed money is yet, and inflation has set in. The market for corners has been pretty crazy the past few years too, which is why it makes sense to draft a corner high when the talent is there, regardless of the roster. You need plenty of them, they're hard to come by, and when you grab them in FA they're always overpriced.
Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
What do you think Claiborne will get on open market? What about stealing a year or two from Grimes. After all, a guy like Jenkins no matter what the contract says is only a 2-3 year guy because we are not going to pay him 12 per at 30 years old. So if you put Grines and get 75% of production at 50-60% of cost, you might not be in bad spot. Now what the market will ultimately be for these guys is outside my pay grade, but this feels like an overpay for a good, but not great CB.
Claiborne had all kinds of trouble staying on the field and he wasn't all that good when he did play. If we had signed him, the reaction here would likely be "great, another injury prone player that is going to be spending more time in street clothes than on the football field"
I would think we're trying to stay away from these types of players at this point.
Grimes will get more than 6.5 per from someone. He was due 8. I'm sure he at least gets that much. He's a decent CB but he's going to be 33 at the start of next season.
wow what a great sign....what a great way to get up this morning! way to got Reese...to he's a gambler...he can't tackle...only 1 good year...there's trouble off the field waiting...andddddddd that crimedog is costing us wayyyyyyyyyy to much!!!ect.....you just can't do anything right for some of these pricks!
isn't a Honda although we are paying Mercedes prices for him. We're overpaying for a solid starting CB entering his prime with the potential to be better than what he currently is. Sure, you wish you could nab him for cheaper but it doesn't reek of desperation. This is the market.
I understand all that. I want you to tell my why he is not a top talent. A lot of people seem to think he's right up there with the best. So tell me where his play is lacking. Don't give me all that other window dressing bullshit.
You can easily gauge the level of intellectual honesty in a poster by the reaction when there is incomplete information on a situation. But why wait for the details when it's easier to live in the zero sum game of Reese asleep at the wheel or Reese pancing for his job.
*if* we know what the relative increase in price is for both vehicles.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
this is the same thing that happened to Knicks fans last offseason and
will happen in the NBA this offseason. When a lot of teams have cap room because the cap is going up, the contracts that get handed out go up. Knicks fans had all kinds of bargain deals in mind and then after the contracts started getting handed out, 13 million per for Robin Lopez all of a sudden looked like a good deal.
The guy gives up a lot of TDs and the passer rating against him last year was, I believe, over 100. And he's a sketchy character to boot.
Now you tell me why you like the signing, because I'm getting the impression from these threads that the Giants could sign Anita Marks and some fans here would call it a good idea.
are we to just sit back, sign bargain deals, wait for the draft, hope to nail 4 of the 7 picks as starters, and turn the team around?
This league is built on parody. We can just as easily be 10-6 as 6-10, and that doesn't stop at the Giants, that's any team. Being mediocre gets you to the dance some years, that's just the simple facts of this watered down shitty league.
So while its not to say we shouldn't sign anyone that isn't worth every penny and just build through the draft, it's just not that simple. I get the theory behind it but it just doesn't work that way. Name more than a handful of teams that its worked out for and even they go through rough patches sans the Patriots.
Was it six or seven pick sixes over his career. Has been a durable player. Not any worse the Prince. Probably better. And he played for a bad team. Maybe you pair him up with the likes of a DRC and he plays even better. He's young. In the prime of his career and I would like to think has learned from his mistakes. That's why I like the signing.
*if* we know what the relative increase in price is for both vehicles.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
And next year a Honda might cost what a Honda costs, but we're still paying Mercedes money and hoping to offload it for whatever we can get.
Revis, Peterson, Sherman, Trumaine Johnson, and Norman get around $14M per. After that it's $13.5M for Haden. then it's a drop down to Byron Maxwell at $10.5. IMHO Norman doesn't really belong in this group but it makes sense with the tag.
I always make the comparison to current contracts at the same position. Then adjust for inflation (cap increase) and inflation has been really high the last couple years. If it's any higher than $13M per, I might be concerned. Otherwise, to me, I think it will be an acceptable amount considering inflation. The deal seems to make sense and not nearly as crazy as Osemele or Malik.
Osemele is a great OG with OT potential but not the top 5 OT money he got. If not LT, he will be the highest paid LG, RG, or RT in the league, by far. Malik Jackson, a 3-4 DE, $15M per season. in a 4-3, as a DT would make him the 3rd highest paid 4-3 DT in the league or the highest paid 4-3 DE in the league (currently).
As somebody critical of the Giants free agency record, I don't care about the money, if this is a guy the Giants targeted as an upgrade. Can't have too many CBs in this league.
*if* we know what the relative increase in price is for both vehicles.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
And next year a Honda might cost what a Honda costs, but we're still paying Mercedes money and hoping to offload it for whatever we can get.
Actually, quite the opposite - that "Mercedes" contract will look a lot more like a Honda in a couple of years.
Janoris Jenkins HAS 10 CAREER PICKS. I BELIEVE 50% WENT FOR 6 POINTS.
LINK BELOW. HE RUNS A 4.4 FORTY 33 VERTICAL JUMP. 5'10" NOT VERY TALL.
HE GRADED OUT VERY HIGH WITH PFF. I THINK SEAN SMITH AND TRUMAINE JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE HIM.
HERES IS HIS DRAFT PROFILE:
STRENGTHS Jenkins is an explosive player who can stay with receivers and cover in man and zone alike. His ability to read plays and react to them allow him to be around the ball, where he uses his athletic ability, quickness, and closing speed to finish plays. Jenkins has impressive hips, and his fluidity stands out and makes him a natural at the position. A flexible athlete, he is quick-twitched and can ignite a powerful plant foot at any time or position to react on a ball or move by a receiver. He has shown the ability to completely blanket a receiver and effortlessly move in transition to stay with and on top of almost any wideout at the collegiate level. Despite size, Jenkins can jam and re-route the receiver well at the line and play with physicality in run support. He is a classic man-cover corner who uses his superior athletic ability and instincts to stay a step ahead.
WEAKNESSES Aside from off-field concerns, Jenkins projects as an undersized corner. He could have trouble adapting to the size and physicality of some top NFL wide receivers, as his ability to tackle and provide support against the run has been a question mark up to this point and will remain so at the next level. Link - ( New Window )
Jenkins is a talented ascending player, who has had exactly 0 issues since he was drafted. What do you guys want a team full of alter boys? And to suggest we overpaid for Harris is utter nonsense.
Jenkins is a talented ascending player, who has had exactly 0 issues since he was drafted. What do you guys want a team full of alter boys? And to suggest we overpaid for Harris is utter nonsense.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
What should we do? Sit on the money and suck for three more years or try to get the best talent on the market? All these players are not worth what they get but if we don't sign them someone else will.
Weve come to expect big plays when quarterbacks target Janoris Jenkins, but those could be either good plays made by Jenkins, or big plays that he has allowed. Over his four-year career, Jenkins has allowed five or more touchdowns in every season (22 total), and missed 56 tackles in 60 games. However, Jenkins has also had 13 or more combined interceptions and pass defenses in three of his four seasons. He has improved over time, and is coming off his highest-graded season in coverage, where he ranked 30th among cornerbacks. Jenkins will make some impactful plays on defense, but he has shown over the last few years that he is susceptible to giving them up, as well.
Weve come to expect big plays when quarterbacks target Janoris Jenkins, but those could be either good plays made by Jenkins, or big plays that he has allowed. Over his four-year career, Jenkins has allowed five or more touchdowns in every season (22 total), and missed 56 tackles in 60 games. However, Jenkins has also had 13 or more combined interceptions and pass defenses in three of his four seasons. He has improved over time, and is coming off his highest-graded season in coverage, where he ranked 30th among cornerbacks. Jenkins will make some impactful plays on defense, but he has shown over the last few years that he is susceptible to giving them up, as well.
Weve come to expect big plays when quarterbacks target Janoris Jenkins, but those could be either good plays made by Jenkins, or big plays that he has allowed. Over his four-year career, Jenkins has allowed five or more touchdowns in every season (22 total), and missed 56 tackles in 60 games. However, Jenkins has also had 13 or more combined interceptions and pass defenses in three of his four seasons. He has improved over time, and is coming off his highest-graded season in coverage, where he ranked 30th among cornerbacks. Jenkins will make some impactful plays on defense, but he has shown over the last few years that he is susceptible to giving them up, as well.
Ascending talent.
Yeah, I mean.. he's still 27 and he's improved as he's gone forward. Those are both really good things. He's not a guy who has already played his best ball.
Yes, he has flaws. Every available CB right now does.
All I care about is the Giants becoming a better team. Prince's injury history and inconsistent play at the end of the year made him a prime candidate to go somewhere else. We were never a top defense with him anyways. Now obviously Jenkins come with some risks. But here some thing about him.
He has missed 4 games in 4 years. Thats an improvement over Prince.
He has 3 more INTs in one less year than Prince.
He is a playmaker once he picks the ball off.
All his QB rating stats are meaningless to me because he will be with a different team, system, and other players. Maybe instead of covering the other team's best WR, he will cover more of their 2nd best. Who knows. We cannto speculate.
All I know is yesterday we had DRC, Wade, McBride as our corners. Now we have at least Jenkins. Sure he was expensive, but we have $$$$ to spend.
As of today, the Giants are a better team than they were 3 days ago with the signings of JPP and Jenkins. And that is the goal with the offseason. Get the defense better, have a good draft, and hope to stay injury free. Do those 3 things, and then let the season play out.
would have a much higher price tag and Cruz will obviously take a pay cut.
With $4.5 million of JPP's number in bonus dollars (which can be spread out) and a Cruz pay cut, the Giants still have not really put a dent in their cap dollars to be spent even with this Jenkins signing.
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
First time on BBI? It's twat city around here.
I wonder how long it will be before people come to realize
there's some bust factor to this pickup but nobody can deny his talent. A lot like the DRC pickup, though I'm sure it will be more pricey. Hopefully he fits the scheme well and thrives here. He makes us a better team, how much better is the question.
People are a bunch of can't please them no matter what, twats
around here. Best CB on the market and one of the better cover corners in the NFL and people are complaining. You don't have to worry about structure of cap, so why the bitching? Unreal.
Prince was actually a lot better than people around here gave him credit before.
I think most were on board with his talent, even if at times he was just average. I was a big defender in keeping him, but at his asking price couples with all his missed games due to injury, the Giants moving on was probably for the best.
Tend to be late bloomers and they have a short window where their physical and athletic talent peaks and meets their maturation in terms of technique and reading plays and making decisions.
DRC was widely critiqued by both Bronco and Eagles fans for various reasons in how he played for them. He's been absolutely splendid for us.
Players play better sometimes in different systems and how they are used. Jenkins is a talent. It's up to Spags to use him properly and get the max out of him.
RE: I wonder how long it will be before people come to realize
"When Janoris Jenkins signs with the #Giants, it'll be worth more than $12M per year. Huge investment."
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His teammate got more than 14M as a franchise tender
with the Rams (Trumaine Johnson), the price of doing
business. Rather have Jenkins than the oft-injured Prince!
Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
It's whatever they can say that's critical of Reese.
This guy's an aggressive, take no prisoners football player and we need more of that. We'll pay huge but this is a step in the right direction personnel-wise. Give me 1 Janoris Jenkins over 10 Trevin Wade's, J.T. Thomas' and Casillas' any day! Impact player.
Vernon and Jenkins are both very talented but come with their share of risks. I am not going to complain about the Jenkins deal as he brings an arrogance that this defense needs.
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When Giants finalize deal for former Rams CB Janoris Jenkins, it's expected to be for five-years, $62.5 million, per source.
of signing Jenkins and yet they also complain about the performance of the defense, you can't have it both ways, the price of talent in the NFL is off the chart and complaining isn't going to change it....
of signing Jenkins and yet they also complain about the performance of the defense, you can't have it both ways, the price of talent in the NFL is off the chart and complaining isn't going to change it....
That's an oversimplification though
Yes the defense is bad and needs better players. The discussion here is the quality of player. I don't think anyone here has problem with playing market rate for quality.
DRC is a top corner. You can feel comfortable paying him what the market demands.
Not necessarily so for Jenkins.
RE: RE: people seem to be complaining about the price
of signing Jenkins and yet they also complain about the performance of the defense, you can't have it both ways, the price of talent in the NFL is off the chart and complaining isn't going to change it....
That's an oversimplification though
Yes the defense is bad and needs better players. The discussion here is the quality of player. I don't think anyone here has problem with playing market rate for quality.
DRC is a top corner. You can feel comfortable paying him what the market demands.
Not necessarily so for Jenkins.
Eh, most weren't comfortable with DRC either before he signed here. It was seen as a risk and a gamble because he was a hot and cold player. He's probably played some of his best ball since coming here.
He was coming off a hot year in Denver and his signing was looked at like a "wow, the Giants never do this" type of splash.
Agreed. DRC did not cause much angst.
I think I would have preferred either Sean Smith or bringing Prince back.. hope the Giants know what they are doing with this move. There's significant $$ tied up in our CBs and hopefully they can perform. Now if we can draft or sign a FS we should have an improved secondary.
He was coming off a hot year in Denver and his signing was looked at like a "wow, the Giants never do this" type of splash.
There were quite a few people who took shots at his inability to tackle and his time in Philly.
Then again, we could send a time machine back to 1985, bring back LT in his prime, sign him to a contract and there'd be at least one fucknut who posted 'Overpaid for an overrated coke fiend'.
As of today, the Giants are a better team than they were 3 days ago with the signings of JPP and Jenkins. And that is the goal with the offseason. Get the defense better, have a good draft, and hope to stay injury free.
Yes, if JPP's hand improves and he can tackle with it......No, you replaced a guy with the same guy....
Yes, you have a corner who can stay on the field.....No, how much better is he than Prince, when both are playing at their best? And he is not a big corner....can he handle big receivers?
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With $4.5 million of JPP's number in bonus dollars (which can be spread out) and a Cruz pay cut, the Giants still have not really put a dent in their cap dollars to be spent even with this Jenkins signing.
What is it about this off-season that's made everyone focus on total money and not guaranteed dollars and ability to exit contract, which has always been the only factors that matter in NFL contracts?
I would have rather gone after Sean Smith, but I think Janoris is an
What is it about this off-season that's made everyone focus on total money and not guaranteed dollars and ability to exit contract, which has always been the only factors that matter in NFL contracts?
The simple-minded fall into this rabbit hole every single time
I don't at all. Smith is going to get similar money to Jenkins. We can't tie up that much money in the CB position. Remember, DRC is also making decent bank.
you're creating a huge hole by getting rid of DRC. He's lived up to his contract. that's the kind of guy you keep, unless you have backups behind him to take over. we don't have backups.
He does gamble, but is, at worst as good than Prince or better. Play a full season and signing him makes more sense than bringing back Prince. This gives, I would think, one of the better (top 5) CB tandems in the league. We still have work to do on D, but we got off to a nice start.
Damn Luxury Tax!!
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Free agency going according to the Giants plan so far- keep it going
Exciting ...
Exciting ...
Actually we have to add one more DE to get back to where we were last year.
Exciting ...
Unless he comes cheaply, I want no part of Sanu. Sure he played for Rutgers, but he was very underwhelming in Cincinnati despite getting a lot of playing time and having talent elsewhere giving Sanu a lot of single coverage. He was their Reuben Randle except our version was more productive
:)
Really? I have no idea what you are talking about.
LOL you know Prince ran a 4.43?
You are right. My bad. I thought it was. I just love that clip.
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But that's not him getting beat by OBJ in that particular clip
You are right. My bad. I thought it was. I just love that clip.
OBJ just makes everything look so easy.
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JJ has 4.46 speed, excellent cover guy Now, we need a vet FS to work with Collins & solidify the back 4!
LOL you know Prince ran a 4.43?
Question is and more importantly, who runs faster IN PADS? Oft times it seemed as though Prince was running in mud. Could that be due to injury? Certainly, but just sayin'
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JJ has 4.46 speed, excellent cover guy Now, we need a vet FS to work with Collins & solidify the back 4!
LOL you know Prince ran a 4.43?
Maybe on his pro day but not recently. After all his injuries, doubt Prince is close to that anymore.
He's better if he's on the Field and Prince is watching from the sidelines. If both are healthy, then I agree. But, history tells us, that will probably not be the case.
CB Janoris Jenkins to the Giants (as @AdamSchefter and @Rand_Getlin said) was a stealth move by the team and the agent.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Like this move by the Giants. Potential to be a star, if they can keep him focused and locked in.
Yes I know. That was part of the things considered, haha. His propensity for getting hurt. At least Jenkins will (fingers crossed) be on the field.
Nice signing. Curious about #s.
CB Janoris Jenkins to the Giants (as @AdamSchefter and @Rand_Getlin said) was a stealth move by the team and the agent.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Like this move by the Giants. Potential to be a star, if they can keep him focused and locked in.
MG has spoken. The mic can be dropped..:)
CB Janoris Jenkins to the Giants (as @AdamSchefter and @Rand_Getlin said) was a stealth move by the team and the agent.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Like this move by the Giants. Potential to be a star, if they can keep him focused and locked in.
Focused and locked in...ie, try to limit the party reputation and "strip club ready" stuff
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Again, all that matters is guaranteed money..The rest is window dressing
Who gives a shit. Is it coming out of your pocket?
Adding McLeod + Iloka would be a good looking Big Nickel which is almost a required base package in today's NFL.
For those bitching about fixing things, this is what waiting a few hours before going nuts can do.
Ian Rapoport Retweeted Rand Getlin
Wow. Giants get Jenkins from th #Raiders, #Rams and others
Dan Graziano Retweeted Fig Flair
Jenkins is a high-upside play, has great talent, is only 27. Deal must be massive, a bit surprised they did it.
CB Janoris Jenkins to the Giants (as @AdamSchefter and @Rand_Getlin said) was a stealth move by the team and the agent.
Jenkins deal has to beat Maxwell, or hed have stayed with Rams.
Nice first step in FA!
Nice first step in FA!
Yes, its good because it fills a need and opens up more options in the draft. Keep it going. Still need a WR, DT, DE, S, MLB
#Giants deal with Janoris Jenkins (as reported by @AdamSchefter) will likely be in excess of $12M per year. Perhaps well in excess.
All he has to do is stay healthy to contribute more than Prince. Prince is a very good corner when healthy, unfortunately he missed a lot of time
Yes it is....Jenkins was on the other side of field and got beat just watching that! As did the Rams side line, fans, etc
He has no instincts for coverage. He can't anticipate a route. Let the Jetsons or Cowboys go in big for him. As for Jenkins, hei is the anti-Prince. Bit of a prick. Somewhat confrontational style, but he wants the ball thrown his way.
The READ N REACT GM isn't feeling it? Indeed.
IMO they should have been more aggressive in getting Williams, or Johnson, but at least they are willing to pay someone.
Ohara believes he is a number one or at he very least a two on any other team. In Cincinnati he was a fourth. Ohara believes whoever gets him will be a steal. Says he would love to see him opposite Beckham. Said Sanu can play inside and outside and is a beast wth the ball in his hands. Ohara's words and breakdown not mine. I trust his analysis more then mine or anyone else's.
I don't know enough to form an educated opinion. I was just reporting the consensus of the previous thread.
Which is it guys?
Which is it guys?
It's simple Eric. These people have their panties up their crotch.
Which is it guys?
The life of dealing with women....
Reese is handing out huge FA contracts like lollipops to cover his dismal draft record. Hes afraid of losing his job, and knows that Eli probably has three or four good years left. He overpaid JPP and now Jenkins because we are weak at DE and CB as a result of his roster mismanagement.
Jenkins also has a lot of character risks that we were supposedly moving away from because of negative past experiences with these types of players. Not anymore. He has four children by three different women, and was kicked off the Florida football team:
On April 23, 2011, Jenkins was cited by a Gainesville police officer and charged with misdemeanor marijuana possession. He was cited for the same violation in January 2011, and paid a $316 fine. He was arrested in May 2009 during a downtown Gainesville fight that resulted in probation and community service. On April 26, 2011, he was dismissed by the Florida Gators football team, due to his second drug related arrest in 3 months.
Stop trying to rebuild the team in one year just to try and save your job Jerry. Let JPP and Ayers go if necessary, sign some veterans DEs, and use high picks on a DE and a DT. If you dont want Prince at $8-$9M a year, fine. Go after Heyward or Smith, and again use a high pick on a CB.
I was fine laying in the weeds and trying to strike wisely.
Which is it guys?
The problem is that people don't understand the market. They see numbers and think "oh my god we paid way too much, this player is not worth this money" and don't understand that you have to pay to sign these players. These are the going rates. This is a 27 year old CB getting his 2nd contract and still in his prime years. You want these guys, you pay for them.
I'm all for smart deals and not overpaying but if you're going to sign players and spend big on them in FA, ideally these are the types of guys you do it for. Guys who still have their best ball ahead of them and not already behind them.
How do you think the Giants got to have $60 million to spend to begin with? They don't have any players on their roster worth paying because they all suck.
We have a bunch of money. A few other teams do to. We need to spend to get this off season, or we could sign no one and only rely in the draft and UDFAs.
Are we frustrated about losing? Yes.
Are we just bitching to bitch? Looks like it.
Maybe we all hate Reese, but he's here, and he needs to try and turn it around, and he can't do that if doesn't sign anyone.
Let's calm the f down, see how the next few days play out, and at least wait until he drafts a bunch of crap players in May before we implode.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Which is it guys?
Those bitching about the money are likely the same people that would be bitching about the money if the Giants only offered $10M and Jenkins went elsewhere for $12M.
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Reese and the Giants asleep at the wheel, not they nab the best CB on the market - a guy who the Raiders and Rams were expected to sign - and now people are bitching about the money?
Which is it guys?
It's simple Eric. These people have their panties up their crotch.
Or it could be half here were ok with playing it safe and thought the penny pinching comments were ignorant. And now think this was a serious over payment.
The other half had their panties in a bunch over nothing and are no celebrating this move because the Giants signed a big name.
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Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
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waiting for the hate.....
He is so far from a top talent he isn't funny, but remember Reese spent 17 million Harris and how much on Obrien Schofield? I guess this is different because there was a market for Jenkins, but I think this is just another overpay.
We need a little nasty on defense.
Good get. Upgrade over Prince IMO.
Expensive, yes, but... that's FA...
I was fine laying in the weeds and trying to strike wisely.
They had to do it though. I understand the frugal part and I agree yet a lot of teams have cap dollars and the supply of players is a bit limited. The frugal might end up holding dollars with no solid players to spend it on. That's not say this kid is Deion Sanders and he will get burnt but this roster needs players and are a bit desperate.
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Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
What do you think Claiborne will get on open market? What about stealing a year or two from Grimes. After all, a guy like Jenkins no matter what the contract says is only a 2-3 year guy because we are not going to pay him 12 per at 30 years old. So if you put Grines and get 75% of production at 50-60% of cost, you might not be in bad spot. Now what the market will ultimately be for these guys is outside my pay grade, but this feels like an overpay for a good, but not great CB.
At some point you're going to have to shell out money to keep good players on your roster. Prince would have cost just as much if not more and so would anyone else in that echelon of talent. Sure we could draft a rookie cheaper now but when his rookie contract is up he's going to command even more.
Eventually you need to pay up and CB is a premium position.
- The cap went up this offseason and many teams have money to spend. In some cases, like ours, it's a lot of cap space.
- Teams are impatient to win and are trying to take the fastest route possible to add players. In our case the GM has his ass on the line and the franchise quarterback is getting older, do that is creating the feeling that we need to accelerate the rebuilding process.
- The agents for the FAs available know this, so they are asking for the moon.
- Desperate teams are overpaying for players that don't represent the cream of the NFL crop. A Honda at a Mercedes price is still a Honda.
It's pretty simple.
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Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
Apparently nobody was paying attention to what Prince thought he was worth. Jenkins is better than Prince, and Prince thought he was good for at least $9M a season too.
It's a combo here, people - we don't know what the guaranteed money is yet, and inflation has set in. The market for corners has been pretty crazy the past few years too, which is why it makes sense to draft a corner high when the talent is there, regardless of the roster. You need plenty of them, they're hard to come by, and when you grab them in FA they're always overpriced.
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Some people want to underpay for the top talent available.
No, the truth is that there probably is a marginal difference between him and a 6.5 guy. If you have a lockdown corner you pay him 12+ a year, if not money is better spent on competent corners, not over spending on good, but not great corners. Anyway, it's done.
Who is the "6.5 guy"? You can't just make players up to create an argument and people keep doing this. Without naming a player it's a completely pointless statement.
What do you think Claiborne will get on open market? What about stealing a year or two from Grimes. After all, a guy like Jenkins no matter what the contract says is only a 2-3 year guy because we are not going to pay him 12 per at 30 years old. So if you put Grines and get 75% of production at 50-60% of cost, you might not be in bad spot. Now what the market will ultimately be for these guys is outside my pay grade, but this feels like an overpay for a good, but not great CB.
Claiborne had all kinds of trouble staying on the field and he wasn't all that good when he did play. If we had signed him, the reaction here would likely be "great, another injury prone player that is going to be spending more time in street clothes than on the football field"
I would think we're trying to stay away from these types of players at this point.
Grimes will get more than 6.5 per from someone. He was due 8. I'm sure he at least gets that much. He's a decent CB but he's going to be 33 at the start of next season.
He better be, because he's about to be paid like one.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
Lots of teams have cap room. Not just the Giants.
Now you tell me why you like the signing, because I'm getting the impression from these threads that the Giants could sign Anita Marks and some fans here would call it a good idea.
This league is built on parody. We can just as easily be 10-6 as 6-10, and that doesn't stop at the Giants, that's any team. Being mediocre gets you to the dance some years, that's just the simple facts of this watered down shitty league.
So while its not to say we shouldn't sign anyone that isn't worth every penny and just build through the draft, it's just not that simple. I get the theory behind it but it just doesn't work that way. Name more than a handful of teams that its worked out for and even they go through rough patches sans the Patriots.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
And next year a Honda might cost what a Honda costs, but we're still paying Mercedes money and hoping to offload it for whatever we can get.
I always make the comparison to current contracts at the same position. Then adjust for inflation (cap increase) and inflation has been really high the last couple years. If it's any higher than $13M per, I might be concerned. Otherwise, to me, I think it will be an acceptable amount considering inflation. The deal seems to make sense and not nearly as crazy as Osemele or Malik.
Osemele is a great OG with OT potential but not the top 5 OT money he got. If not LT, he will be the highest paid LG, RG, or RT in the league, by far. Malik Jackson, a 3-4 DE, $15M per season. in a 4-3, as a DT would make him the 3rd highest paid 4-3 DT in the league or the highest paid 4-3 DE in the league (currently).
Still baffled by ignoring the LB position.
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*if* we know what the relative increase in price is for both vehicles.
Very few players have announced deals thus far - and most of those on the top end of the salary scale. Until we see the bottom, it's hard to gauge whether or not a deal is good or bad. If we end up with a second tier RT @ $9M/yr, then it's obvious that today's Honda costs what last year's Mercedes would have.
And next year a Honda might cost what a Honda costs, but we're still paying Mercedes money and hoping to offload it for whatever we can get.
Actually, quite the opposite - that "Mercedes" contract will look a lot more like a Honda in a couple of years.
LINK BELOW. HE RUNS A 4.4 FORTY 33 VERTICAL JUMP. 5'10" NOT VERY TALL.
HE GRADED OUT VERY HIGH WITH PFF. I THINK SEAN SMITH AND TRUMAINE JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE HIM.
HERES IS HIS DRAFT PROFILE:
STRENGTHS Jenkins is an explosive player who can stay with receivers and cover in man and zone alike. His ability to read plays and react to them allow him to be around the ball, where he uses his athletic ability, quickness, and closing speed to finish plays. Jenkins has impressive hips, and his fluidity stands out and makes him a natural at the position. A flexible athlete, he is quick-twitched and can ignite a powerful plant foot at any time or position to react on a ball or move by a receiver. He has shown the ability to completely blanket a receiver and effortlessly move in transition to stay with and on top of almost any wideout at the collegiate level. Despite size, Jenkins can jam and re-route the receiver well at the line and play with physicality in run support. He is a classic man-cover corner who uses his superior athletic ability and instincts to stay a step ahead.
WEAKNESSES Aside from off-field concerns, Jenkins projects as an undersized corner. He could have trouble adapting to the size and physicality of some top NFL wide receivers, as his ability to tackle and provide support against the run has been a question mark up to this point and will remain so at the next level.
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Still think taking Hargreaves is a possibility. DRC is still good but have to plan for a replacement in next couple years.
Except for two concussions last year.
Which is it guys?
No kidding, Eric. Damned if you do...
When you take a guy whose the top player at his position in FA you always overpay.
It's free agency.
When you take a guy whose the top player at his position in FA you always overpay.
It's free agency.
where did you see that number?
If VH is the best BPA you run to the podium..JJ's signing doesn't or shouldn't preclude that imv
Added bonus: The Michael Jennings Gold Teeth Smile is back.
^This. Too much so IMO. Would rather have Heyward or Smith and a high draft pick. Overpaid, as we did for JPP.
2014: 110
2015: 115
Also a lot of missed tackles. He's a weak tackler.
Making this guy our highest paid defender is a huge mistake. Should spend this huge chunk of money on front 7 help or OL.
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Jenkins is a talented, ascending player but oof.
^This. Too much so IMO. Would rather have Heyward or Smith and a high draft pick. Overpaid, as we did for JPP.
How do you know they overpaid until you see the guarantees?
2014: 110
2015: 115
Also a lot of missed tackles. He's a weak tackler.
Making this guy our highest paid defender is a huge mistake. Should spend this huge chunk of money on front 7 help or OL.
Thanks for the info.
I like that idea. If he is at the top of their board they'd do it.
2014: 110
2015: 115
Also a lot of missed tackles. He's a weak tackler.
Making this guy our highest paid defender is a huge mistake. Should spend this huge chunk of money on front 7 help or OL.
I'd rather have Osemele but where else do you spend your money? When you draft poorly what is the alternative.
Side note however, let's not forget the Rams did want to keep him so they must see more value in him then the Giants see in the Prince(SS).
It was 2014 and 2013. In 2015 he was at 92 QB rating.
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Weve come to expect big plays when quarterbacks target Janoris Jenkins, but those could be either good plays made by Jenkins, or big plays that he has allowed. Over his four-year career, Jenkins has allowed five or more touchdowns in every season (22 total), and missed 56 tackles in 60 games. However, Jenkins has also had 13 or more combined interceptions and pass defenses in three of his four seasons. He has improved over time, and is coming off his highest-graded season in coverage, where he ranked 30th among cornerbacks. Jenkins will make some impactful plays on defense, but he has shown over the last few years that he is susceptible to giving them up, as well.
Ascending talent.
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Weve come to expect big plays when quarterbacks target Janoris Jenkins, but those could be either good plays made by Jenkins, or big plays that he has allowed. Over his four-year career, Jenkins has allowed five or more touchdowns in every season (22 total), and missed 56 tackles in 60 games. However, Jenkins has also had 13 or more combined interceptions and pass defenses in three of his four seasons. He has improved over time, and is coming off his highest-graded season in coverage, where he ranked 30th among cornerbacks. Jenkins will make some impactful plays on defense, but he has shown over the last few years that he is susceptible to giving them up, as well.
Ascending talent.
Yeah, I mean.. he's still 27 and he's improved as he's gone forward. Those are both really good things. He's not a guy who has already played his best ball.
Yes, he has flaws. Every available CB right now does.
He has missed 4 games in 4 years. Thats an improvement over Prince.
He has 3 more INTs in one less year than Prince.
He is a playmaker once he picks the ball off.
All his QB rating stats are meaningless to me because he will be with a different team, system, and other players. Maybe instead of covering the other team's best WR, he will cover more of their 2nd best. Who knows. We cannto speculate.
All I know is yesterday we had DRC, Wade, McBride as our corners. Now we have at least Jenkins. Sure he was expensive, but we have $$$$ to spend.
As of today, the Giants are a better team than they were 3 days ago with the signings of JPP and Jenkins. And that is the goal with the offseason. Get the defense better, have a good draft, and hope to stay injury free. Do those 3 things, and then let the season play out.
With $4.5 million of JPP's number in bonus dollars (which can be spread out) and a Cruz pay cut, the Giants still have not really put a dent in their cap dollars to be spent even with this Jenkins signing.
Which is it guys?
First time on BBI? It's twat city around here.
Joe Walton? that would be a scoop!
I think most were on board with his talent, even if at times he was just average. I was a big defender in keeping him, but at his asking price couples with all his missed games due to injury, the Giants moving on was probably for the best.
DRC was widely critiqued by both Bronco and Eagles fans for various reasons in how he played for them. He's been absolutely splendid for us.
Players play better sometimes in different systems and how they are used. Jenkins is a talent. It's up to Spags to use him properly and get the max out of him.
I think the bigger issue were the injuries. 5 seasons and only one 16 game year.
His teammate got more than 14M as a franchise tender
with the Rams (Trumaine Johnson), the price of doing
business. Rather have Jenkins than the oft-injured Prince!
Which is it guys?
It's whatever they can say that's critical of Reese.
no injury is good, but concussions are definitely in buyer beware territory.
someone was going to get Prince's Giant money. apparently it isn't Prince.
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Prince was actually a lot better than people around here gave him credit before.
I thought he was above average, but not as good as some
painted him as, and the injuries.
I think the bigger issue were the injuries. 5 seasons and only one 16 game year.
I like Prince as a player for us and wish him well if he has to move on. I think he is a very valuable player.
When Giants finalize deal for former Rams CB Janoris Jenkins, it's expected to be for five-years, $62.5 million, per source.
When Giants finalize deal for former Rams CB Janoris Jenkins, it's expected to be for five-years, $62.5 million, per source.
That's an oversimplification though
Yes the defense is bad and needs better players. The discussion here is the quality of player. I don't think anyone here has problem with playing market rate for quality.
DRC is a top corner. You can feel comfortable paying him what the market demands.
Not necessarily so for Jenkins.
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of signing Jenkins and yet they also complain about the performance of the defense, you can't have it both ways, the price of talent in the NFL is off the chart and complaining isn't going to change it....
That's an oversimplification though
Yes the defense is bad and needs better players. The discussion here is the quality of player. I don't think anyone here has problem with playing market rate for quality.
DRC is a top corner. You can feel comfortable paying him what the market demands.
Not necessarily so for Jenkins.
Eh, most weren't comfortable with DRC either before he signed here. It was seen as a risk and a gamble because he was a hot and cold player. He's probably played some of his best ball since coming here.
I think I would have preferred either Sean Smith or bringing Prince back.. hope the Giants know what they are doing with this move. There's significant $$ tied up in our CBs and hopefully they can perform. Now if we can draft or sign a FS we should have an improved secondary.
In the meantime we have a trio of playmaking CBs who can match-up with anybody.
There were quite a few people who took shots at his inability to tackle and his time in Philly.
Then again, we could send a time machine back to 1985, bring back LT in his prime, sign him to a contract and there'd be at least one fucknut who posted 'Overpaid for an overrated coke fiend'.
Yes, if JPP's hand improves and he can tackle with it......No, you replaced a guy with the same guy....
Yes, you have a corner who can stay on the field.....No, how much better is he than Prince, when both are playing at their best? And he is not a big corner....can he handle big receivers?
Spread what out? It's a one year deal....
In the meantime we have a trio of playmaking CBs who can match-up with anybody.
I would sign up for that right now.
Janoris Jenkins ends up second only to Darrelle Revis in CB money at signing
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Lowery- INTs in college, Ints in the NFL.
We don't have that player right now on the roster.
The simple-minded fall into this rabbit hole every single time
Haha, not a chance. You think they would have 3 CBs making top dollar? There's zero chance they go after Sean Smith now.
We'd effectively be footing the bill for $6m of DRC's cost since all of the remaining unoamortized signing bonus would hit immediately.
I'd say the Jenkins deal sets the market for Corners. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sean Smith get as much or more than this.
Reece continues to drive me crazy during free agency!
Did we get a DE or Guard or Tackle yet?
Reece continues to drive me crazy during free agency!
Did we get a DE or Guard or Tackle yet?
Yet?
You mean 4 hours before you can officially sign anyone on the market?
Some gave it a pause because of his years in Philly. Too soft, not that consistent, etc.
Regarding those highlights, looks like a tough player...reminds me of Harris
Always love the I told you so celebrations, especially the sarcastic ones.
Jenkins? He was a 2nd round draft choice in 2012
Drafted by the St. Louis Rams in the 2nd round (39th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft.
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