if he is cut by the Ravens?
"The Baltimore Sun's Jeff Zrebiec speculates Ravens SS Will Hill could be a cap cut following the signing of FS Eric Weddle.
Lardarius Webb's $9.5 million cap hit would be the most obvious cut, but Baltimore has made it clear they see Webb as a starting safety this season. Hill was the Ravens' best safety last year, but it could be difficult to justify his nearly $4.6 million cap hit if he is riding the bench. That said, Webb should be asked to play in the slot in sub packages, and both Webb and Weddle profile more as free safeties. It is possible all three are on the field together for the majority of the snaps in 2016. If anyone is getting cut, mega-bust Matt Elam might be the best candidate."
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so if that's makes me low on the IQ test so be it. I'll win football games over all you geniuses who have high IQ's.
If the Giants were to consider Will Hill again, and he gets suspended, what's the downside? Craig Dahl, LOL. The cautiousness (assuming he isn't suspended and that's what led to the Weddle signing) is an incentive laden deal and you go in with a legit plan B like maybe the health of Behre, Jackson and Thompson.
Besides Stephen Hawking once said when asked what his IQ was:
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I have no idea, people who boast about their IQ are losers
Why don't we just call it what it is, since people don't seem willing to comprehend what this is about.
They don't want to employ people like that. When you own an NFL franchise, you can choose to emulate jerry jones. The Giants won't.
sometimes drug suspensions I believe are confidential until the appeal is heard.
That's what I've been thinking. Time will tell on that.
Why don't we just call it what it is, since people don't seem willing to comprehend what this is about.
They don't want to employ people like that. When you own an NFL franchise, you can choose to emulate jerry jones. The Giants won't.
the OP asked both "would" and "should"
IMO, if the safety options for the Giants opposite Landon Collins are Brandon Meriweather and Craig Dahl, yes they should consider Will Hill.
I have never once wavered in my personal approach to football (and sports in general) that IO root for laundry, I'm not going to get on my moral high horse and pick and choose which offenses are ok for me to allow players on the team I root for to commit and then what, not root for them if they sign a guy with a domestic violence charge or DUI, or doesn't pay child support, or smokes weed or trashed an apt.
that's my approach, you can have whatever approach you are comfortable with.
would the Giants sign him? Unlikely, but that doesn't change my opinion, that if there options were what I stated that they should.
You might as well sign Jesse Pinkman to play safety with him.
I know, but with some guys based on your roster you take that chance.
So many people here said they'd take the chance with Josh Gordon. Sure, Josh Gordon has higher upside, he's potentially a top 5 WR in the NFL (though he hasn't played in a long time so who knows) to me the approach is similar, but less for Hill who is ridiculously better than who the Giants have at safety and less penalized than Gordon at this stage of his career.
If you sign him it has to be to an incentive laden, minimal guaranteed contract, and you have to have a legit plan B.
In those circumstances I'm fine with it. Do I think the Giants pursue him, no, but I could see a situation where I would.
could be moot anyway, if the reason the Ravens signed Weddle is an impending Hill suspension, which I think makes a little sense. otherwise, Hill is better than Weddle, younger, and cheaper. (or the Ravens are cutting Webb or re-thinking moving him to safety)
NO!
They tried the same with Hill, and he didn't want to be helped. They're just not going to be that team that signs a Greg Hardy because winning is the only thing.
They tried the same with Hill, and he didn't want to be helped. They're just not going to be that team that signs a Greg Hardy because winning is the only thing.
I know and that makes it easy for all of us to be Giants fans knowing the team won't put us in that predicament (not to take this thread in an unintended direction).
What would you do though if the Giants signed Hardy? Or Ray Rice?
I wouldn't like it or them personally, but I'm not going to stop rooting for them because of it.
As you pointed out, the Giants don't make a habit of signing poor character guys, but it's football and it's life, at some point us fans will probably be faced with that dilemma.
He had a good season with Baltimore. Ozzie Newsome is a friend of the organization. Pretty sure Reese and co helped Will land in Baltimore. If he is cut for money reasons, but we hear good things, sure thing bring him home. But only as a free safety. He would round out our backfield into a strength.
The real IQ test is understanding the question the OP asked. Would and should mean two different things. "Would" may be an IQ test because based on history most people should know that answer (though I think that phrase IQ test is used by people who don't know what the answer should be very often). "Should" is a pure opinion question.
Should is not the same answer IF the Giants are planning to trot out Craig Dahl to safety this year.
You can lose with Craig Dahl, I'll win with Will Hill.
And I'll win the IQ test by default.
That, however, still doesn't change the answer to would.
At the start of OTA, there will be alot of new faces - players, coaches and although not new to the franchise a young first-time HC. Everyone is hoping this resets the team and a new solid team develops. Quality players have been added but you still need to make a team. This is a very important year. Do you really want the coaching staff spending anytime babysitting Will Hill?
with Weddle, Webb, and Hill the Raves are paying ~25M for three safeties.
Weddle numbers aren't out yet, but estimated at $9M year 1, Webb makes 10M and Hill makes around 5.
that's a lot for three safeties.
If they're not cutting Hill and he's not going to be suspended again, maybe they're re-thinking moving Webb to safety.
I seriously doubt the Ravens go in to the season paying $25M to three safeties.
Will was cut because he was unreliable and untrustworthy, and a waste of resources beyond money. None of that calculus has changed at all.
Will was cut because he was unreliable and untrustworthy, and a waste of resources beyond money. None of that calculus has changed at all.
Correct. That's why the would and should are the same. No.
Will was cut because he was unreliable and untrustworthy, and a waste of resources beyond money. None of that calculus has changed at all.
that risk is correlated with the options at the position. the worse the options the more willing you should be to absorb the risk.
I don't see how wrecking the whole team building concept is really detrimental to the team if Craig Dahl is the guy getting the reps.
If the un-tested trio stays healthy (Behre, Jackson, and Thompson) maybe that's enough to say giving them a shot is worth it over the risk with Hill, but if my choices are protect that team chemistry and be judicious with those valuable practice reps while watching Dahl get toasted and confused every Sunday or sign Will Hill and realize one week he might miss a piss test and be gone for the year.
Will Hill should be the clear choice.
Again, none of this changes the "would" side of the equation, just my opinion of the should side.
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than simply money with Hill. Practice time and coaches' time has value - giving it to Hill versus another a player has risk. Reps during the week have value. The "well, we can just cut him if he screws up" crowd doesn't seem to have appreciation for building a team, as they focus on building a roster.
Will was cut because he was unreliable and untrustworthy, and a waste of resources beyond money. None of that calculus has changed at all.
Correct. That's why the would and should are the same. No.
That's my take as well. We wouldn't and we shouldn't. If the question was take Will Hill's talent and transfer it to someone who isn't weed dependent and beyond strike 2, then we'd all say yes.
Will Hill should not be relied upon over any duration - short or long. The answer to "should" is yes only if we are playing Madden, not in any reasonable real world situation.
Will Hill should not be relied upon over any duration - short or long. The answer to "should" is yes only if we are playing Madden, not in any reasonable real world situation.
Ok, we can agree to disagree. I believe should depends on your other options. at some point the risk is worth it. as some point it's not.
I'd also sign Josh Gordon though should he become available.
But it's funny seeing this called an IQ test while JPP was a "just a kid that did something stupid" last summer and is now a "changed and motivated" individual.
Will Hill doesn't even need to get caught smoking weed. He just needs to miss a test (like Martavis Bryant apparently did - though allegedly Martavis missed a lot of tests probably because he smoked weed).
I wonder what the Steelers do when Bryant's suspension is over do you think they cut him or keep him?
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if JPP got caught smoking weed he wouldn't be out of the league for a year.
Will Hill doesn't even need to get caught smoking weed. He just needs to miss a test (like Martavis Bryant apparently did - though allegedly Martavis missed a lot of tests probably because he smoked weed).
I wonder what the Steelers do when Bryant's suspension is over do you think they cut him or keep him?
Haha, I didn't even realize that. Yeah that sucks.
Hard to tell what the Steelers will do. Tomlin is the type of coach that I can see wanting to just get rid of him but I have no idea what the brass would do. They already have Brown so that makes it a bit easier.
Side note, from a fantasy perspective I may be taking Brown #1 overall if I have the pick with this news.
To take Hill back now would be an admission that they never should have waived him in the first place. The Giants are not that humble.
From ESPN Insider:
"The Ravens may not get the same rangy Weddle we've seen in the past, but they may not need that version of him with incumbent free safety Will Hill on the roster. Hill has also been one of the league's best coverage safeties in recent years, and he and Weddle will pair to form one of the league's best duos.
"Hill is adept at playing single-high center field, allowing Weddle to play in the box and use his instincts to thwart the short passing game and opposing rushing attacks. Both Weddle and Hill will also bring versatility to Baltimore's "two-high" safety attack -- something they utilized on about 30 percent of passing plays a year ago -- where they can play more of a half-field coverage to control the deep passing game."
Not everyone thinks that a Weddle/Hill tandem will happen. If you like PFF, they have loved Hill and put him up near the top in safeties. But cutting him would free up about five million in much needed cap space for the Ravens.
The fans are mostly in favor of Hill also because he's the only guy in their secondary who hits hard.
Weddle is no slam dunk either at 31. He has been a great cover safety. But he has only five forced fumbles in nine seasons. He has 19 picks in nine seasons, which sounds pretty good except that 7 of the 19 came in one year, 2011.
Weddle Better Player but Hill is or was pretty
darn good ..
If we have a Punchers Chance we IMO need a
Three Vets and a KO Draft .
Nelson Penn Boldin ?