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NYG will face a tricky situation regarding OL

Sy'56 : 3/19/2016 11:01 am
Assuming there won't be a veteran brought in between now and the draft to start along the OL, NYG is going to enter the draft in need of another starter. Thankfully Pugh offers inside/outside versatility, preventing NYG from having to look strictly at OT or strictly at OG. I think we've discussed the OTs more than a fair amount to this point. NYG will like Tunsil and Stanley enough for #10 overall, but I don't think either will be available. Is Conklin worth that spot? An argument can be made. Decker or Spriggs? Possibly but I would lean towards that being too high for both of them.

The focus then needs to shift to the interior prospects. I will likely end up with 2 interior guys in my top 25 overall and one, if not both, will be there with their 2nd rounder. Alabama C Ryan Kelly and Kansas State OG Cody Whitehair.

Kelly is a center, yes. But he has the tools and skills to play guard and I have no doubt about that. He is an oversized center. He has the strength and lateral movement ability. He is a very smart and instinctive blocker. He is one of a few centers I've seen that could make an easy, seamless move to guard. Kelly was an elite blocker the past two years against some stiff competition.

Whitehair played LT for Kansas State. He doesn't have the size to play out there in the NFL although he could be moved there in emergency situations. He is one of my favorite OL in the class. Might finish with a grade right at or under the top spot. Easy footwork guy with the farm boy strength against elite power. He is such a dependable blocker. Always plays with balance Always under control Strong and violent hands.

I think both of these guys are week 1 starters at LG or RG, whichever NYG needs most. They may not be the sexy picks but NYG needs to pump resources in to that OL over and over if they want to be competitive. I have always been and will always be under the notion that it won't ever matter who you have running/passing/catching the ball without productive OL talent. NYG could make the case they really only have 3 worthwhile starters. That isn't good.
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If Stanley isn't there  
RAIN : 3/19/2016 3:55 pm : link
and we trade down. I think that will signal we are going ORT in round one. Then we wait and address defense and WR later.

Unless Floyd or Hargreaves are too good to ignore.. this sounds like an ideal situation to trade down.
RE: If Stanley isn't there  
SGMen : 3/19/2016 4:03 pm : link
In comment 12866827 RAIN said:
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and we trade down. I think that will signal we are going ORT in round one. Then we wait and address defense and WR later.

Unless Floyd or Hargreaves are too good to ignore.. this sounds like an ideal situation to trade down.
Yes, but I don't think Floyd is as high on our list as some think. I am reading a lot pro and con on Hargeaves as well. Would anyone be shocked if we took CB Apple with the #10? Not me...that is how these drafts work out.

Giants will have a BPA list, tiered and that is what they will go by REGARDLESS of position. If guys are so close it matters not in minds of scout and management, you take the NEED guy (2nd WR, ORT, FS).

I still think it ends up going OLT Stanley, WR Shephard and FS XXXXX in the first 3 rounds.
RE: RE: If Stanley isn't there  
giantstock : 3/19/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12866832 SGMen said:
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In comment 12866827 RAIN said:


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and we trade down. I think that will signal we are going ORT in round one. Then we wait and address defense and WR later.

Unless Floyd or Hargreaves are too good to ignore.. this sounds like an ideal situation to trade down.

Yes, but I don't think Floyd is as high on our list as some think. I am reading a lot pro and con on Hargeaves as well. Would anyone be shocked if we took CB Apple with the #10? Not me...that is how these drafts work out.

Giants will have a BPA list, tiered and that is what they will go by REGARDLESS of position. If guys are so close it matters not in minds of scout and management, you take the NEED guy (2nd WR, ORT, FS).

I still think it ends up going OLT Stanley, WR Shephard and FS XXXXX in the first 3 rounds.


What I don't get and it seems so logical is why not pick up a S in FA? Nelson, or Abdullah, or maybe Jefferson becomes available. Now with the 3rd round we can possibly get a DE or LB and beef up our overall defensive front 7.
What about Shon Coleman with the 40th pick?  
Milton : 3/19/2016 4:32 pm : link
From Alpha Football....
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Coleman is big, strong, athletic, and can bury people when he's on. If you watch him vs Texas A&M you see him as a first rounder, but if you watch him vs Alabama he looks more like a 3rd rounder with potential. Personally I split the difference and give him a 2nd round grade. I believe many teams will think they can they can refine his technique and improve his awareness, because he really just lacks experience. The reason for that lack is that his career was delayed out of high school due to leukemia, but there is very little chance that disease reoccurs once puberty has ended. I was thinking he might go in the first round, but he skipped the Senior Bowl, and revealed at the combine he had surgery to repair his MCL after the season . So it's good that he had a legit reason to skip the game, but it's bad that he can't workout at the combine, although doctors say he could be ready to workout before the draft. If he is I think he goes in the 2nd round.

From Boylhart....
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Shon looks the part of a prototypical offensive tackle for the next level. He has the size, long arms and quick feet that are needed at the next level. He plays with a lot of pride as demonstrated by his leadership on the field. Shon can play Right or Left Tackle, both at a very high level. When he uses the correct technique to keep players off his body and a hand punch to stun his opponent, Shon is as good an offensive lineman as any in the draft. He is smart and does an excellent job going out to the second level or getting out for screens and sweeps to his side. Shon has the size, athleticism and the mental strength to become an excellent offensive tackle for the team that selects him.

I would like to see a road grader  
Beer Man : 3/19/2016 4:32 pm : link
picked up for RT. This team desperately needs to get the run game going again. Pugh is versatile and can play at RT, but I don't see him as the road grader type the team really needs.
Thanks Sy  
Capt. Don : 3/19/2016 5:02 pm : link
Thoughts on LaRaven Clark?
RE: Thanks Sy  
Sy'56 : 3/19/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12866883 Capt. Don said:
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Thoughts on LaRaven Clark?


Tools rich. Someone will take him earlier than where I have him slotted for sure. Has a lot of development to do. Could need time to change his body a bit. I say 5th/6th. Will be taken 3rd/4th
Sy - what are your thoughts on some of the mid-round guards?  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2016 6:15 pm : link
Connor McGovern, Christian Westerman, Joe Dahl, Josh Garnett and Landon Turner. In recent years guys like like Brandon Linder, Gabe Jackson, Mitch Morse, and others were projected to be mid-rounders and they ended up making an impact right away. I know some of those guys ended up going higher than prognosticators thought they would in the 2nd/3rd rounds, but all of the names mentioned above seem to be pretty consistently ranked/mocked in the 3rd/4th round range right now which I think would make a lot of sense since the Giants will likely focus on more premium positions with their 2 top 50 picks.

McGovern or Dahl in the 4th seem like they could be really nice fits to compete at RG with Hart/Jerry (hopefully with a veteran RT in the fold).
RE: Sy - what are your thoughts on some of the mid-round guards?  
Sy'56 : 3/19/2016 6:28 pm : link
In comment 12866961 Eric on Li said:
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Connor McGovern, Christian Westerman, Joe Dahl, Josh Garnett and Landon Turner. In recent years guys like like Brandon Linder, Gabe Jackson, Mitch Morse, and others were projected to be mid-rounders and they ended up making an impact right away. I know some of those guys ended up going higher than prognosticators thought they would in the 2nd/3rd rounds, but all of the names mentioned above seem to be pretty consistently ranked/mocked in the 3rd/4th round range right now which I think would make a lot of sense since the Giants will likely focus on more premium positions with their 2 top 50 picks.

McGovern or Dahl in the 4th seem like they could be really nice fits to compete at RG with Hart/Jerry (hopefully with a veteran RT in the fold).


I don't disagree at all. Several mid round guards can be a major help. You've named a few and I have a few more that I'll discuss when I come out with the OL preview in a few weeks.

The opposer approach however...for each of these names that you gave examples of, there are 4-5 guys that will be viewed as the same going in to the draft that do not work out
no doubt about that - that's why adding a veteran RT is essential  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2016 6:39 pm : link
Then they can take a shot at whomever they view as the best value and know worst case scenario they'll at worst still have Jerry/Hart in the fold if they draft a bust.

I think the first 2 picks are going to be some combination of WR/DL/DB. Historically that's where Reese has spent his top picks and it plays to the strengths of this draft. 3/4/5 will then likely be more filling needs picks unless they see a massive value from their board.
Hey Sy  
RoBach18 : 3/19/2016 7:54 pm : link
just curious where or how do you get all the college game tapes?
Ifedi  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/21/2016 5:57 pm : link
Sy, what are your thoughts on Ifedi at RT?
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