I see his name a lot lately and I have not researched him at all.
What I want to know is this guy out of the Flowers mold or is he soft like Beatty? (In run blocking)
Can he a powerful downhill run blocker or not? If the answers is no, then why would we waste a top 10 pick on him?
Did he even bench at the combine?
Overrated.
This.
But I would go with Leonte Carroo (Z receiver, replaces Randle) rather than Shepard (slot receiver)
I think RT is biggest hole on our team - bigger than FS.
Seems soft - ( New Window )
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and Reese has said he wants a "big, dynamic right tackle" and he also says the Flowers is a left tackle. So, I don't think we will draft Stanley and I would rather have Conklin who seems like he fits the big, dynamic RT in the NFL. I think a draft of Conklin - Shepard with the first two picks could jet propel our offense.
This.
But I would go with Leonte Carroo (Z receiver, replaces Randle) rather than Shepard (slot receiver)
I certainly would not complain about Carroo either. Shepard by everything I have read seems like an impact player at WR and is talked about like he has very little risk of bust.
Agree, but I am just going by what the team has said on numerous occasions regarding Flowers' position. I do not think I would want Stanley in any case. His quotes about needing to show he wants to play football and has fire does not excite me for a top 10 pick.
I really hope they don't take him.
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This offense is going to be in trouble in second half again this year if they can't run the ball, or pass to someone not named Beckham.
Eli needs weapons!!!
This offense is going to be in trouble in second half again this year if they can't run the ball, or pass to someone not named Beckham.
Eli needs weapons!!!
RT is not a huge need at all.
Pugh is a Top 10 RT.
If he's the RT and we need to find a Day 1 starter at LG in the draft, then so be it. Won't be hard.
That ship has sailed, he's a LG going forward so no matter how you feel about him, RT is still a huge need on OL currently.
An explain to me why is Beatty overrated again?
Now, it seems that discourse has been dropped and he is a fixture at LG.
It will be interesting to see what happens. But Pugh's ability to play RT may be a factor in why the Giants have resisted throwing money at the position.
An explain to me why is Beatty overrated again?
You must be joking asking why Beatty is overrated?
Have you seen the money he got paid to be a physically weak, and one dimensional LT?
Jared Allen literally sacked Eli through him, and let's not even talk about his injury history. If you need an explanation I have serious doubts that you were paying attention.
Now, it seems that discourse has been dropped and he is a fixture at LG.
It will be interesting to see what happens. But Pugh's ability to play RT may be a factor in why the Giants have resisted throwing money at the position.
Honestly I think it more has to do with Newhouse level of play as the season wore on last year. He became much more sound in the pass blocking role.
That ship has sailed, he's a LG going forward so no matter how you feel about him, RT is still a huge need on OL currently.
There aren't that many good Right Tackles to begin with.
I mean, Mitchell Schwartz is the best at the position.
How can you definitely say that Pugh is not a Top 10 Right Tackle?
Which 10 RTs are better than Pugh?
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Pugh has already proven to be a better LG then RT.
An explain to me why is Beatty overrated again?
You must be joking asking why Beatty is overrated?
Have you seen the money he got paid to be a physically weak, and one dimensional LT?
Jared Allen literally sacked Eli through him, and let's not even talk about his injury history. If you need an explanation I have serious doubts that you were paying attention.
ummmm prior to injury Beatty was rated the top 5 offensive tackle in 2014 by PFF and despite coming off a broken leg in 2014 was rated #1 (justified by contract ext) but fell to 11 by end of the year, his run blocking was top 10 in the league the whole season.
Yes he's been prone to injuries from game play and the way the staff has handled him but that doesn't make him fucking overrated. keep doubting me
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he was not top 10 at that position, I've never seen any analyst suggest that, ever.
That ship has sailed, he's a LG going forward so no matter how you feel about him, RT is still a huge need on OL currently.
There aren't that many good Right Tackles to begin with.
I mean, Mitchell Schwartz is the best at the position.
How can you definitely say that Pugh is not a Top 10 Right Tackle?
Which 10 RTs are better than Pugh?
Because he had way too many moments where he was average, and loved sending Barwin to the pro bowl. (Remember that)
I can't analyze every RT in the league on the fly sorry, but I'm not going to take a homer like stance and just automatically claim that he's a top 10 RT. That's ridiculous
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Pugh has already proven to be a better LG then RT.
An explain to me why is Beatty overrated again?
You must be joking asking why Beatty is overrated?
Have you seen the money he got paid to be a physically weak, and one dimensional LT?
Jared Allen literally sacked Eli through him, and let's not even talk about his injury history. If you need an explanation I have serious doubts that you were paying attention.
ummmm prior to injury Beatty was rated the top 5 offensive tackle in 2014 by PFF and despite coming off a broken leg in 2014 was rated #1 (justified by contract ext) but fell to 11 by end of the year, his run blocking was top 10 in the league the whole season.
Yes he's been prone to injuries from game play and the way the staff has handled him but that doesn't make him fucking overrated. keep doubting me
ummmm you mentioned POFF, argument automatically irrelevant. I won't even bother to read your argument after that.
PFF is for nerds who can't use their own judgement.
Making statements like, "and the way the staff has handled him." makes you sound like an apologist and none of the useless stats you named are either relevant today, nor do they represent the production on the field.
If he was not overrated then why did they already replace him and throw him out the door? Maybe they know more than you.
sjnyfan - I assume you see Conklin as a RT and Stanley as a LT in the NFL? I guess whether Stanley is on the short list is whether it is really true that Flowers is our LT now and in the future.
I still think Flowers would end up being a great (top 5) RT. But, I also think he will be a very good (rated slightly lower, but still top half of the league) LT. I am comfortable with him at whichever spot, provided they get another highly capable OT opposite him. I happen to like Stanley, but wouldn't mind them taking someone like Conklin to play RT.
Agree on both points.
Since it would just be easier to find a LG but they thought he would be better there.
What team has ever done that, seriously? If he was as good as you claim he was.
I still think the DL needs another infusion at 1, maybe 2 as well.
I still think the DL needs another infusion at 1, maybe 2 as well.
The left side had a year playing together and you want to shuffle the line yet again? Then we wonder why the running game is useless for five years+. The definition of insanity.
Plus are you sure you want to trust Reese to draft OL players past round 2? We've had some unforgettable classics like Brewer, I'm just saying.
I think RT is biggest hole on our team - bigger than FS. Seems soft - ( New Window )
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I don't think Stanley is soft (at least not Peat soft) but I don't like his footwork. Good overall athlete for his size and functional strength but his lower half is choppy and inconsistent. It allows him to be burned by both power and speed rushers. Can he get that together with good coaching? Sure but I think Conklin is ahead on the learning curve with just as high of a ceiling, if not higher.
sjnyfan - I assume you see Conklin as a RT and Stanley as a LT in the NFL? I guess whether Stanley is on the short list is whether it is really true that Flowers is our LT now and in the future.
With the Giants dead set on Flowers at LT I could see both at RT. However I think Conklin would be more successful even though Stanley has more experience on the right side. I like his feet and overall toughness better than Stanley.
I just worry that we are missing a unique opportunity to do something really special on D, something that does not come by very often at all. a real opportunity.
these guys are professionals.
Keep in mind running game still sucks and we have a one weapon offense.
The only question remains is are those guys going to compensate for what we're potentially losing in offensive playmakers. It doesn't look good right now, despite all the rankings.
2. Best Guard (or a remaining blue chip DLer, so many there)
3. best free safety or slot wr
4. best free safety or slot wr
5. best (same as above taking into account roster space limits)
6. tight end or fullback
2. Best Guard (or a remaining blue chip DLer, so many there)
3. best free safety or slot wr
4. best free safety or slot wr
5. best (same as above taking into account roster space limits)
6. tight end or fullback
Reese is not taking a rush DT in rd1. He thinks Bromley (who couldn't beat out St. Kuhn) already is the guy.
Also with the contract they just gave Snacks/Vernon that means Hankins will be thrown out with the money already in the DL. keep in mind we have little talent at LB and no Free safety. Doubling down on DTs will not help cover TEs or RBs who get 15 yards off a dump off.
safeties with INTs numbers and slot or possession type wrs as opposed to tall, long, fast home run type wrs.
between all these new wr players and roster hopefuls - edwards, white and davis, we will ultimately find our new victor cruz or julian eddleman or even an ike hilliard type
and, with a rush DT in his face, the ball may not get there anyway.
With quicker and quicker QB release times, ...
a true rush DT gets there faster than any LB or the (albeit in many ways great) type DTs we now have.
Probably would have actually
and, with a rush DT in his face, the ball may not get there anyway.
With quicker and quicker QB release times, ...
a true rush DT gets there faster than any LB or the (albeit in many ways great) type DTs we now have.
What you said makes absolutely ZERO sense. How is a ROOKIE rush DT going to collapse the pocket on every play, when there's faster release times now? You have what 1 name in mind and that's it? Billings is not the next Aaron Donald, and is a reach. You will eventually have to cover and with bad LBs and safeties you won't get anywhere, 1 rookie will not change that.
Not to mention we have more needs elsewhere. you give me three rounds to find a safety but you have no one in particular to mention. You have barely thought this through in my opinion.
IF Stanley can't be a force in run blocking then........no.
A one dimensional OT is not worth it at 10.
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at LT and Flowers at RT for the future, you're telling me we all wouldn't sign up for this in a heartbeat?
IF Stanley can't be a force in run blocking then........no.
A one dimensional OT is not worth it at 10.
I'm not sure where this "can't run block" thing is coming from. He routinely gets to the second level. No, he's not an absolute mauler in the run game. He's a good to solid run blocker right now in my opinion.
Stanley is absolutely a better athlete than Peat - he routinely gets to the second level in the ground game, is great on screens and has natural bending ability to defend against speed rushers on the outside. Peat is a brick house but is pudgy, and had trouble with his weight, playing shape, and speed rushers throughout his career (and first year with the Saints). Stanley rarely has trouble with speed, and when he does, he's able to combat that with his outstanding balance and feet.
As far as the ground game is concerned, turn on the tape with Stanley against Ohio State in this year's bowl game where he was knocking dudes to the ground routinely or against LSU in last year's bowl game where he dominated that defense (including Danielle Hunter, who looks great in his first year as a pro).
You can't just compare players to players based on their combine numbers, which is what a lot of folks do around here. If Stanley is somehow available at 10, I think Reese would probably be shocked.
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at LT and Flowers at RT for the future, you're telling me we all wouldn't sign up for this in a heartbeat?
IF Stanley can't be a force in run blocking then........no.
A one dimensional OT is not worth it at 10.
Again, this one dimensional comment is just baseless.
PFF is for nerds who can't use their own judgement.
Making statements like, "and the way the staff has handled him." makes you sound like an apologist and none of the useless stats you named are either relevant today, nor do they represent the production on the field.
If he was not overrated then why did they already replace him and throw him out the door? Maybe they know more than you.
the fuck are you talking about? go throw a chair or something
Beatty was cut because of injury and not being able to pass a physical, He was actually penciled in to start last year (Flowers to RT) prior to tearing his pec weight training (horrible decision by training staff).
I'm well aware the staff and FO will always know more than the sweet speculative fans we have on this site
As for seeing it with my eyes...Yes I did see a quality LT in the making ...a quality LT who was hampered by injuries, go read Eric's game reviews back in 2014 he was a bulldozer in the run game.
Listen I know not everyone can afford a quality education so Ill take it easy on you ,
being injured...does not...label you ....as overrated.... Overpaid maybe, overused possibly , over-relied on yes.. but not overrated.
I'm more than OK with taking Conklin at 10
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I think an outside WR is just as big.
This offense is going to be in trouble in second half again this year if they can't run the ball, or pass to someone not named Beckham.
Eli needs weapons!!!
RT is not a huge need at all.
Pugh is a Top 10 RT.
If he's the RT and we need to find a Day 1 starter at LG in the draft, then so be it. Won't be hard.
Well I don't think Pugh is a top 10 RT. But more importantly you know who else thinks that? The Giants or he wouldn't have been moved. Pugh is a solid OL and maybe going to be a great guard but hyperbole lives here way to often. Heck we heard hat about Beatty for years just to watch him need help from the TE and watched his shifty run blocking.
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I think an outside WR is just as big.
This offense is going to be in trouble in second half again this year if they can't run the ball, or pass to someone not named Beckham.
Eli needs weapons!!!
RT is not a huge need at all.
Pugh is a Top 10 RT.
If he's the RT and we need to find a Day 1 starter at LG in the draft, then so be it. Won't be hard.
Well I don't think Pugh is a top 10 RT. But more importantly you know who else thinks that? The Giants or he wouldn't have been moved. Pugh is a solid OL and maybe going to be a great guard but hyperbole lives here way to often. Heck we heard hat about Beatty for years just to watch him need help from the TE and watched his shifty run blocking.
You don't know that yet, the Giants could easily move Pugh back to RT for 2016.
Stanley is a top level overall player. He was top 5 player last year and close to that this year. If anything he is like Tyron Smith
He had a bad 1/2 against Clemson and that is it.
If he makes it to ten, which is extremely doubtful, you bolt to the podium, unless Ramsey is there
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Pugh has already proven to be a better LG then RT.
An explain to me why is Beatty overrated again?
You must be joking asking why Beatty is overrated?
Have you seen the money he got paid to be a physically weak, and one dimensional LT?
Jared Allen literally sacked Eli through him, and let's not even talk about his injury history. If you need an explanation I have serious doubts that you were paying attention.
ummmm prior to injury Beatty was rated the top 5 offensive tackle in 2014 by PFF and despite coming off a broken leg in 2014 was rated #1 (justified by contract ext) but fell to 11 by end of the year, his run blocking was top 10 in the league the whole season.
Yes he's been prone to injuries from game play and the way the staff has handled him but that doesn't make him fucking overrated. keep doubting me
PFF is a joke. They are good for stats. That's it. Their opinion is no better than anyone else. Please tell me whom rated Beatty that. Their names. Their qualifications. Some ex HS football coach who watched film bit had no idea exactly what was anyone's specific responsibility? Good lord PFF has ruined talk but being an kites some type of top tier scouting organization. They are more like Elias and people love to quote them as if they are gospel. Beatty was never in his life a top 5 LT. EVER
Pencil in either Ifedi or Coleman in Round 2 as the RT of the present and future.
Discussion and problem solved.